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Vista annoyance: one step forward, three steps back [SOLVED]

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  • L leppie

    The external component is writing to unallocated memory. In previous OS's this would go unnoticed. Vista actually protects you against malicious use of this scenario. Turning DEP off wont help in Vista, you will still get an exception (attempting to write to null pointer or something). I suggest you contact the authors of the external DLL and ask them to advise you on getting it to run on Vista or ask them to fix the issues.

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    Harvey Saayman
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    turned it off and everything works fine now :) had too run cmd as admin and execute the following

    bcdedit.exe /set {curren} nx AlwaysOff

    and then restart the machine

    leppie wrote:

    I suggest you contact the authors of the external DLL

    Were going too, this is just a quick fix. But the authors are Chinese that no speak engwhish velly goot

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      turned it off and everything works fine now :) had too run cmd as admin and execute the following

      bcdedit.exe /set {curren} nx AlwaysOff

      and then restart the machine

      leppie wrote:

      I suggest you contact the authors of the external DLL

      Were going too, this is just a quick fix. But the authors are Chinese that no speak engwhish velly goot

      Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

      you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

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      Dalek Dave
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      Harvey Saayman wrote:

      But the authors are Chinese that no speak engwhish velly goot

      This from a South African! :laugh:

      ------------------------------------ "The production of useful work is strictly limited by the laws of thermodynamics. The production of useless work seems to be unlimited." - Donald E. Simanek

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      • H Harvey Saayman

        Hey guys As some of you might know I've been having issues with Vista not executing a program i wrote, i finally found a work around to that problem, but now Vista is pulling some new stunts! As soon as my app calls the an external DLL(it contains methods to connect and communicate with an external device) the program crashes! I little vista bubble pops up saying "To help protect your computer Data Execution Prevention has closed [program name], click here to learn more." So i click it and find that there is an exception list i can add my app to, i select my app to add it to the list and im greeted with a message box that says "This program must run with Data Execution Prevention (DEP) enabled. You cannot turn off DEP for this program" I dont know anymore, this is really frustrating. :sigh: Does anyone have some suggestions for me? maybe turn DEP off completely? Thanx

        Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

        you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

        modified on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:48 AM

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        Rajesh R Subramanian
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        DEP existed before Vista as well. But with Vista, the security has been tightened. I usually am not a Vista fanboy, but with this issue of yours, you cannot blame Vista. It actually is trying to protect you from something that is presumably malicious.

        Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. [Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]

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          Harvey Saayman wrote:

          But the authors are Chinese that no speak engwhish velly goot

          This from a South African! :laugh:

          ------------------------------------ "The production of useful work is strictly limited by the laws of thermodynamics. The production of useless work seems to be unlimited." - Donald E. Simanek

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          Rajesh R Subramanian
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          You're such a heartless bastard. :laugh:

          Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. [Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]

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          • P Priyatam K

            Stop bashing vista for every wrong line of code which someone wrote X| X| PS: Apple rocks!!

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            Harvey Saayman
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            Priyatam K wrote:

            Stop bashing vista

            when they fix it ill stop bashing

            Priyatam K wrote:

            every wrong line of code which someone wrote

            i wrote the app in question, and I didnt write wrong lines of code! Its a simple as hell 100 line console app that calls methods in a DLL. so go sit in the corner and eat your little Apple!

            Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

            you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

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            • R Rajesh R Subramanian

              DEP existed before Vista as well. But with Vista, the security has been tightened. I usually am not a Vista fanboy, but with this issue of yours, you cannot blame Vista. It actually is trying to protect you from something that is presumably malicious.

              Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. [Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]

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              Harvey Saayman
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              i agree, but when it tells me im not allowed to put an app in the exception list without even a reason, thats not cool.

              Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

              you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

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              • D Dalek Dave

                Harvey Saayman wrote:

                But the authors are Chinese that no speak engwhish velly goot

                This from a South African! :laugh:

                ------------------------------------ "The production of useful work is strictly limited by the laws of thermodynamics. The production of useless work seems to be unlimited." - Donald E. Simanek

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                Harvey Saayman
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                haha, you trying to say there's something wrong with my English? I can like to speak English deliciously! :-D

                Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

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                • H Harvey Saayman

                  haha, you trying to say there's something wrong with my English? I can like to speak English deliciously! :-D

                  Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

                  you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

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                  Dalek Dave
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                  Harvey Saayman wrote:

                  I can like to speak English deliciously

                  Tick VG! :)

                  ------------------------------------ "The production of useful work is strictly limited by the laws of thermodynamics. The production of useless work seems to be unlimited." - Donald E. Simanek

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                  • D Dalek Dave

                    Harvey Saayman wrote:

                    I can like to speak English deliciously

                    Tick VG! :)

                    ------------------------------------ "The production of useful work is strictly limited by the laws of thermodynamics. The production of useless work seems to be unlimited." - Donald E. Simanek

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                    Harvey Saayman
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                    Dalek Dave wrote:

                    Tick VG!

                    huh?

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                    • H Harvey Saayman

                      Dalek Dave wrote:

                      Tick VG!

                      huh?

                      Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

                      you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

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                      Dalek Dave
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                      Tick as is get a tick for a right answer, and VG = Very Good. It is what teachers write on your schoolwork.

                      ------------------------------------ "The production of useful work is strictly limited by the laws of thermodynamics. The production of useless work seems to be unlimited." - Donald E. Simanek

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                      • L leppie

                        The external component is writing to unallocated memory. In previous OS's this would go unnoticed. Vista actually protects you against malicious use of this scenario. Turning DEP off wont help in Vista, you will still get an exception (attempting to write to null pointer or something). I suggest you contact the authors of the external DLL and ask them to advise you on getting it to run on Vista or ask them to fix the issues.

                        xacc.ide - now with TabsToSpaces support
                        IronScheme - 1.0 alpha 4a out now (29 May 2008)

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                        peterchen
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                        leppie wrote:

                        The external component is writing to unallocated memory.

                        Rather, it is trying to run code in memory not allocated with EXECUTE rights.

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                        • R Rajesh R Subramanian

                          DEP existed before Vista as well. But with Vista, the security has been tightened. I usually am not a Vista fanboy, but with this issue of yours, you cannot blame Vista. It actually is trying to protect you from something that is presumably malicious.

                          Many are stubborn in pursuit of the path they have chosen, few in pursuit of the goal - Friedrich Nietzsche .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. [Microsoft MVP - Visual C++]

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                          Priyatam K
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                          Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

                          but with this issue of yours, you cannot blame Vista. It actually is trying to protect you from something that is presumably malicious.

                          I'm also trying to tell the same thing :mad:

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                          • D Dalek Dave

                            Tick as is get a tick for a right answer, and VG = Very Good. It is what teachers write on your schoolwork.

                            ------------------------------------ "The production of useful work is strictly limited by the laws of thermodynamics. The production of useless work seems to be unlimited." - Donald E. Simanek

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                            Harvey Saayman
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                            now i get it :-O

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                            • H Harvey Saayman

                              Priyatam K wrote:

                              Stop bashing vista

                              when they fix it ill stop bashing

                              Priyatam K wrote:

                              every wrong line of code which someone wrote

                              i wrote the app in question, and I didnt write wrong lines of code! Its a simple as hell 100 line console app that calls methods in a DLL. so go sit in the corner and eat your little Apple!

                              Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

                              you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

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                              Priyatam K
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                              Wrong lines of code might be in dll. Pro**bab(y)**ly you misunderstood me X| No, thanks. I just had my lunch. X| X|

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                                leppie wrote:

                                The external component is writing to unallocated memory.

                                Rather, it is trying to run code in memory not allocated with EXECUTE rights.

                                We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
                                blog: TDD - the Aha! | Linkify!| FoldWithUs! | sighist

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                                leppie
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                                Thanks, I wasnt sure about the exact details :)

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                                • H Harvey Saayman

                                  i agree, but when it tells me im not allowed to put an app in the exception list without even a reason, thats not cool.

                                  Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

                                  you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

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                                  Daniel Grunwald
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                                  Your program is probably marked as /NXCOMPAT[^] (compatible with DEP, the C# compiler does this by default[^]). You can't blame Vista if your program says "I'm fine with DEP" and then isn't.

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                                  • D Daniel Grunwald

                                    Your program is probably marked as /NXCOMPAT[^] (compatible with DEP, the C# compiler does this by default[^]). You can't blame Vista if your program says "I'm fine with DEP" and then isn't.

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                                    Harvey Saayman
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                                    Daniel Grunwald wrote:

                                    You can't blame Vista if your program says "I'm fine with DEP" and then isn't.

                                    no, but i can blame vista for giving me ambiguous error messages that make no sense.

                                    Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

                                    you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

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                                    • H Harvey Saayman

                                      Hey guys As some of you might know I've been having issues with Vista not executing a program i wrote, i finally found a work around to that problem, but now Vista is pulling some new stunts! As soon as my app calls the an external DLL(it contains methods to connect and communicate with an external device) the program crashes! I little vista bubble pops up saying "To help protect your computer Data Execution Prevention has closed [program name], click here to learn more." So i click it and find that there is an exception list i can add my app to, i select my app to add it to the list and im greeted with a message box that says "This program must run with Data Execution Prevention (DEP) enabled. You cannot turn off DEP for this program" I dont know anymore, this is really frustrating. :sigh: Does anyone have some suggestions for me? maybe turn DEP off completely? Thanx

                                      Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

                                      you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

                                      modified on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:48 AM

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                                      Christian Graus
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                                      fixing your code is a better option than telling your client to turn off DEP. What if their IT won't let them ?

                                      Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.

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                                      • H Harvey Saayman

                                        Daniel Grunwald wrote:

                                        You can't blame Vista if your program says "I'm fine with DEP" and then isn't.

                                        no, but i can blame vista for giving me ambiguous error messages that make no sense.

                                        Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

                                        you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

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                                        Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                        The error message was not ambiguous, because the your program (the DLL, possibly?) was compiled with /NXCOMPAT, that tells the operating system that it is tested be compatible with the DEP feature. Therefore, Vista says that this program should be run with DEP turned on. Makes sense to me.

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                                        • C Christian Graus

                                          fixing your code is a better option than telling your client to turn off DEP. What if their IT won't let them ?

                                          Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.

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                                          Harvey Saayman
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                                          hey CG i agree, and disabling DEP is only a quick fix. Its not my code its moaning about, its when i tell the 3rd party DLL to connect to the external device.

                                          Harvey Saayman - South Africa Junior Developer .Net, C#, SQL

                                          you.suck = (you.passion != Programming)

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