Are we, as Developers, bored?
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It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
...that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited?
Everyone* uses a browser, so they can relate. SQL Server 2008 is great, but the number of people that 'care' about SQL Server is much smaller than the number of people that use/care about a browser. Besides, since we spend most some of our time browsing researching, something new to use to do that work is bound to catch some of our attention. * Well, not really everyone, but you get the idea :)
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My latest excitement is the rediscovery of C/C++/erlang on OpenSolaris no less on the most beautiful VM I've seen to date (Virtualbox) :D Other than that its Ramadan, so I'm fasting. Lack of food & drink makes me testy and lethargic...
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Chris Maunder wrote:
.NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor
.NET 3.5 is a bit of an oddity. .NET 3 came out and it was out of step with Visual Studio, then 3.5 came out which introduced lots and lots of changes WRT the languages is versioned more like a service pack than a big release. And then, along comes 3.5 SP1, which offers a raft of new features and is called a service pack. Oh well.
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The .NET naming is stupid and shows a complete disregard for marketing and for developer's sanity. Microsoft have admited that, yes, the naming is confusing and yes, hundreds of megs for a download is ridiculous. .NET: A great idea that failed to keep its focus. Let's hope they fix that.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
When we "real" programmers mention SQL Server 2008 we get accused of being on the "bleeding edge", as if that's a bad thing. :wtf: When I talked to my boss yesterday he mentioned that maybe we should upgrade one of our servers from SQL Server 2000. Getting the rest of the team to use Visual Studio 2008 was also a struggle.
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It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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Good luck with the whole Ramadan thing mate. I'll hoist a glass of, errrr, water for you tonight.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Good luck with the whole Ramadan thing mate. I'll hoist a glass of, errrr, water for you tonight
:laugh: Cheers! :water: I'm dying for a glass of water at the moment... :sigh: Don't mind the lack of food thing, and I'm not the overly religious type so I don't get into the religious "frenzy" that some get but I hate the way working hours are shot to hell because so many decide to slack off because they're not eating/smoking/drinking coffee. I solved it by working through the night and waking up a bit later :)
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The .NET naming is stupid and shows a complete disregard for marketing and for developer's sanity. Microsoft have admited that, yes, the naming is confusing and yes, hundreds of megs for a download is ridiculous. .NET: A great idea that failed to keep its focus. Let's hope they fix that.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Let's hope they fix that.
How can they fix it? Microsoft isn't known for going back and fixing conceptual problems with products. They simply replace them with something new and shiny, which always seems to have their own set of issues.
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It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
what does it actually mean for anyone?
I think it's showing more and more that Web browsers are become a comodity. The more popular the number of browsers in use, the less leverage inividual browsers will have. I seem to remember something about JavaScript only taking off when netscape incorporated native support into navigator. As navigator was the defacto standard of the day, developers were not detered by incompatabilities.
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It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Because Google still has that "new kid on the block" halo, while Microsoft isn't. Eventually Google will be regarded as Microsoft is.
Kevin
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It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
There's a new browser?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Of course most of us are because these days most software development is little more than an assembly line factory process. We as developers turned over the reins to the gray men in accounting many years ago by foolishly embracing methodology intended for nothing more than making developers a cog in a big machine. We went from near mythical creatures with god-like powers, irreplaceable geniuses that could accomplish things that mere mortals could only dream of, coveted, head-hunted, treated with utmost respect. We were proud craftsmen always pushing the boundaries of what could be done. We did it for the joy of doing new things, exploring new frontiers, being cleverer than anyone else at it. Above all doing it *our* way in every aspect. Naturally that didn't sit well with the gray men in accounting and management who spent a lot of time and effort to take away that power, analyze it, commoditize it into something comfortable and understandable to non-programmers and developers foolishly embraced every bit of it because it was presented to us in ways that we know and love, we took our eyes off the future and became lulled, wallowing in methodology, charts, graphs. At the dawn of the 21st century the developers started to realize what was going on, our jobs were being outsourced, we were increasingly put in charge of less and less, sharing the work with increasingly inexperienced uncaring people, walled up into cubicles forced to attend endless meetings. The best of us with the means retired, moved into a second career raising organic sheep or bought a winery or some other once idle dream fulfilled. Some of us crossed the fence and took up with management. Some of us stick it out to this day bitching the whole time about everything but the root cause of our malaise. For myself I've never succumbed to the "factory", I stayed independant and there is still plenty of excitement in my day to day programming life but there is quite a bit less of that old feeling in it. I'm glad I was involved in those heady early days but I know we won't see their like again. Yes we are bored but we have no one to blame but ourselves in the end.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
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It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
I think it's exciting because I think that web-apps are the future for many organisations. We have more and more customers asking if our apps will run 'in a browser', so anything that comes along that can make that experience as fast as possible (the Chrome V8 engine) is going to pique my interest. This 'brave new world' might be a few years away, but it's coming (IMHO). Oh, and I went straight from MFC/WTL client-side apps to cross-platform server apps that use HTML/CSS/JavaScript as the front end - so none of this .NET talk is going to float my boat. :)
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There's a new browser?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Actually it's an old browser best used for tiny devices and/or Macs that has a new coat of paint and a V8 under the hood. Ya just hope they put a torque brace in their somewhere...
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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i have no idea what the excitement over Chrome is about. it makes no sense to me eihter.
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Of course most of us are because these days most software development is little more than an assembly line factory process. We as developers turned over the reins to the gray men in accounting many years ago by foolishly embracing methodology intended for nothing more than making developers a cog in a big machine. We went from near mythical creatures with god-like powers, irreplaceable geniuses that could accomplish things that mere mortals could only dream of, coveted, head-hunted, treated with utmost respect. We were proud craftsmen always pushing the boundaries of what could be done. We did it for the joy of doing new things, exploring new frontiers, being cleverer than anyone else at it. Above all doing it *our* way in every aspect. Naturally that didn't sit well with the gray men in accounting and management who spent a lot of time and effort to take away that power, analyze it, commoditize it into something comfortable and understandable to non-programmers and developers foolishly embraced every bit of it because it was presented to us in ways that we know and love, we took our eyes off the future and became lulled, wallowing in methodology, charts, graphs. At the dawn of the 21st century the developers started to realize what was going on, our jobs were being outsourced, we were increasingly put in charge of less and less, sharing the work with increasingly inexperienced uncaring people, walled up into cubicles forced to attend endless meetings. The best of us with the means retired, moved into a second career raising organic sheep or bought a winery or some other once idle dream fulfilled. Some of us crossed the fence and took up with management. Some of us stick it out to this day bitching the whole time about everything but the root cause of our malaise. For myself I've never succumbed to the "factory", I stayed independant and there is still plenty of excitement in my day to day programming life but there is quite a bit less of that old feeling in it. I'm glad I was involved in those heady early days but I know we won't see their like again. Yes we are bored but we have no one to blame but ourselves in the end.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
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It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited?
Yes. I mean... Look, all this .NET stuff is great and all, but... how much of a geek do you have to be to get excited about databases and high-level frameworks? LINQ is the last thing that really caught my attention, and mostly because it offered a shot at reducing the amounts of mind-numbingly dull C# code i have to write. My bed-time reading last night was the V8 Embedder's Guide... it was strangely refreshing. Dreams of fast JS-driven C++ tests danced through my head. The most fun i've had this year was writing a simple set of geometry routines. No API docs, no complicated code generation schemes, just me and my text editor. I'm starting to think i'm just not cut out for this profession.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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Of course most of us are because these days most software development is little more than an assembly line factory process. We as developers turned over the reins to the gray men in accounting many years ago by foolishly embracing methodology intended for nothing more than making developers a cog in a big machine. We went from near mythical creatures with god-like powers, irreplaceable geniuses that could accomplish things that mere mortals could only dream of, coveted, head-hunted, treated with utmost respect. We were proud craftsmen always pushing the boundaries of what could be done. We did it for the joy of doing new things, exploring new frontiers, being cleverer than anyone else at it. Above all doing it *our* way in every aspect. Naturally that didn't sit well with the gray men in accounting and management who spent a lot of time and effort to take away that power, analyze it, commoditize it into something comfortable and understandable to non-programmers and developers foolishly embraced every bit of it because it was presented to us in ways that we know and love, we took our eyes off the future and became lulled, wallowing in methodology, charts, graphs. At the dawn of the 21st century the developers started to realize what was going on, our jobs were being outsourced, we were increasingly put in charge of less and less, sharing the work with increasingly inexperienced uncaring people, walled up into cubicles forced to attend endless meetings. The best of us with the means retired, moved into a second career raising organic sheep or bought a winery or some other once idle dream fulfilled. Some of us crossed the fence and took up with management. Some of us stick it out to this day bitching the whole time about everything but the root cause of our malaise. For myself I've never succumbed to the "factory", I stayed independant and there is still plenty of excitement in my day to day programming life but there is quite a bit less of that old feeling in it. I'm glad I was involved in those heady early days but I know we won't see their like again. Yes we are bored but we have no one to blame but ourselves in the end.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
John C wrote:
Naturally that didn't sit well with the gray men in accounting and management who spent a lot of time and effort to take away that power, analyze it, commoditize it into something comfortable and understandable to non-programmers and developers foolishly embraced every bit of it because it was presented to us in ways that we know and love, we took our eyes off the future and became lulled, wallowing in methodology, charts, graphs.
Nice answer. :)
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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How could people have missed SQL 2008... It has Upsert!!
Einstein argued that there must be simplified explanations of nature, because God is not capricious or arbitrary. No such faith comforts the software engineer. -Fred Brooks
StevenWalsh wrote:
How could people have missed SQL 2008
It was released already??
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It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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