Are we, as Developers, bored?
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It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
what does it actually mean for anyone?
I think it's showing more and more that Web browsers are become a comodity. The more popular the number of browsers in use, the less leverage inividual browsers will have. I seem to remember something about JavaScript only taking off when netscape incorporated native support into navigator. As navigator was the defacto standard of the day, developers were not detered by incompatabilities.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Because Google still has that "new kid on the block" halo, while Microsoft isn't. Eventually Google will be regarded as Microsoft is.
Kevin
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It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
There's a new browser?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Of course most of us are because these days most software development is little more than an assembly line factory process. We as developers turned over the reins to the gray men in accounting many years ago by foolishly embracing methodology intended for nothing more than making developers a cog in a big machine. We went from near mythical creatures with god-like powers, irreplaceable geniuses that could accomplish things that mere mortals could only dream of, coveted, head-hunted, treated with utmost respect. We were proud craftsmen always pushing the boundaries of what could be done. We did it for the joy of doing new things, exploring new frontiers, being cleverer than anyone else at it. Above all doing it *our* way in every aspect. Naturally that didn't sit well with the gray men in accounting and management who spent a lot of time and effort to take away that power, analyze it, commoditize it into something comfortable and understandable to non-programmers and developers foolishly embraced every bit of it because it was presented to us in ways that we know and love, we took our eyes off the future and became lulled, wallowing in methodology, charts, graphs. At the dawn of the 21st century the developers started to realize what was going on, our jobs were being outsourced, we were increasingly put in charge of less and less, sharing the work with increasingly inexperienced uncaring people, walled up into cubicles forced to attend endless meetings. The best of us with the means retired, moved into a second career raising organic sheep or bought a winery or some other once idle dream fulfilled. Some of us crossed the fence and took up with management. Some of us stick it out to this day bitching the whole time about everything but the root cause of our malaise. For myself I've never succumbed to the "factory", I stayed independant and there is still plenty of excitement in my day to day programming life but there is quite a bit less of that old feeling in it. I'm glad I was involved in those heady early days but I know we won't see their like again. Yes we are bored but we have no one to blame but ourselves in the end.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
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It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
I think it's exciting because I think that web-apps are the future for many organisations. We have more and more customers asking if our apps will run 'in a browser', so anything that comes along that can make that experience as fast as possible (the Chrome V8 engine) is going to pique my interest. This 'brave new world' might be a few years away, but it's coming (IMHO). Oh, and I went straight from MFC/WTL client-side apps to cross-platform server apps that use HTML/CSS/JavaScript as the front end - so none of this .NET talk is going to float my boat. :)
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There's a new browser?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Actually it's an old browser best used for tiny devices and/or Macs that has a new coat of paint and a V8 under the hood. Ya just hope they put a torque brace in their somewhere...
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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i have no idea what the excitement over Chrome is about. it makes no sense to me eihter.
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Of course most of us are because these days most software development is little more than an assembly line factory process. We as developers turned over the reins to the gray men in accounting many years ago by foolishly embracing methodology intended for nothing more than making developers a cog in a big machine. We went from near mythical creatures with god-like powers, irreplaceable geniuses that could accomplish things that mere mortals could only dream of, coveted, head-hunted, treated with utmost respect. We were proud craftsmen always pushing the boundaries of what could be done. We did it for the joy of doing new things, exploring new frontiers, being cleverer than anyone else at it. Above all doing it *our* way in every aspect. Naturally that didn't sit well with the gray men in accounting and management who spent a lot of time and effort to take away that power, analyze it, commoditize it into something comfortable and understandable to non-programmers and developers foolishly embraced every bit of it because it was presented to us in ways that we know and love, we took our eyes off the future and became lulled, wallowing in methodology, charts, graphs. At the dawn of the 21st century the developers started to realize what was going on, our jobs were being outsourced, we were increasingly put in charge of less and less, sharing the work with increasingly inexperienced uncaring people, walled up into cubicles forced to attend endless meetings. The best of us with the means retired, moved into a second career raising organic sheep or bought a winery or some other once idle dream fulfilled. Some of us crossed the fence and took up with management. Some of us stick it out to this day bitching the whole time about everything but the root cause of our malaise. For myself I've never succumbed to the "factory", I stayed independant and there is still plenty of excitement in my day to day programming life but there is quite a bit less of that old feeling in it. I'm glad I was involved in those heady early days but I know we won't see their like again. Yes we are bored but we have no one to blame but ourselves in the end.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
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It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited?
Yes. I mean... Look, all this .NET stuff is great and all, but... how much of a geek do you have to be to get excited about databases and high-level frameworks? LINQ is the last thing that really caught my attention, and mostly because it offered a shot at reducing the amounts of mind-numbingly dull C# code i have to write. My bed-time reading last night was the V8 Embedder's Guide... it was strangely refreshing. Dreams of fast JS-driven C++ tests danced through my head. The most fun i've had this year was writing a simple set of geometry routines. No API docs, no complicated code generation schemes, just me and my text editor. I'm starting to think i'm just not cut out for this profession.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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Of course most of us are because these days most software development is little more than an assembly line factory process. We as developers turned over the reins to the gray men in accounting many years ago by foolishly embracing methodology intended for nothing more than making developers a cog in a big machine. We went from near mythical creatures with god-like powers, irreplaceable geniuses that could accomplish things that mere mortals could only dream of, coveted, head-hunted, treated with utmost respect. We were proud craftsmen always pushing the boundaries of what could be done. We did it for the joy of doing new things, exploring new frontiers, being cleverer than anyone else at it. Above all doing it *our* way in every aspect. Naturally that didn't sit well with the gray men in accounting and management who spent a lot of time and effort to take away that power, analyze it, commoditize it into something comfortable and understandable to non-programmers and developers foolishly embraced every bit of it because it was presented to us in ways that we know and love, we took our eyes off the future and became lulled, wallowing in methodology, charts, graphs. At the dawn of the 21st century the developers started to realize what was going on, our jobs were being outsourced, we were increasingly put in charge of less and less, sharing the work with increasingly inexperienced uncaring people, walled up into cubicles forced to attend endless meetings. The best of us with the means retired, moved into a second career raising organic sheep or bought a winery or some other once idle dream fulfilled. Some of us crossed the fence and took up with management. Some of us stick it out to this day bitching the whole time about everything but the root cause of our malaise. For myself I've never succumbed to the "factory", I stayed independant and there is still plenty of excitement in my day to day programming life but there is quite a bit less of that old feeling in it. I'm glad I was involved in those heady early days but I know we won't see their like again. Yes we are bored but we have no one to blame but ourselves in the end.
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson
John C wrote:
Naturally that didn't sit well with the gray men in accounting and management who spent a lot of time and effort to take away that power, analyze it, commoditize it into something comfortable and understandable to non-programmers and developers foolishly embraced every bit of it because it was presented to us in ways that we know and love, we took our eyes off the future and became lulled, wallowing in methodology, charts, graphs.
Nice answer. :)
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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How could people have missed SQL 2008... It has Upsert!!
Einstein argued that there must be simplified explanations of nature, because God is not capricious or arbitrary. No such faith comforts the software engineer. -Fred Brooks
StevenWalsh wrote:
How could people have missed SQL 2008
It was released already??
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It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Everyone wants a chance to be in Google's pants. That's all. It's called "Fanboy Syndrome" it appears to be catching here. X|
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Chris Maunder wrote:
.NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor
.NET 3.5 is a bit of an oddity. .NET 3 came out and it was out of step with Visual Studio, then 3.5 came out which introduced lots and lots of changes WRT the languages is versioned more like a service pack than a big release. And then, along comes 3.5 SP1, which offers a raft of new features and is called a service pack. Oh well.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
And then, along comes 3.5 SP1, which offers a raft of new features and is called a service pack
It has new features? :-O I thought it was fixing some unknown (to me) issuess... And produced one new issue when our web application with Ajax Control Toolkit stopped working at the server after I compiled it with VS2008 SP1 as they changed some class hierarchy, but the server did not have SP1 installed (yet).
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited?
Yes. I mean... Look, all this .NET stuff is great and all, but... how much of a geek do you have to be to get excited about databases and high-level frameworks? LINQ is the last thing that really caught my attention, and mostly because it offered a shot at reducing the amounts of mind-numbingly dull C# code i have to write. My bed-time reading last night was the V8 Embedder's Guide... it was strangely refreshing. Dreams of fast JS-driven C++ tests danced through my head. The most fun i've had this year was writing a simple set of geometry routines. No API docs, no complicated code generation schemes, just me and my text editor. I'm starting to think i'm just not cut out for this profession.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
Shog9 wrote:
I'm starting to think i'm just not cut out for this profession
No. It means you care more about the code and what you are doing than about how you do it. It's something many developers don't have.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Most new stuff from Microsoft we can't use until it's either a) mature and industry tested and on service pack 3 or b) we're starting a new project and have the ability to make the switch. We didn't upgrade to VS2008 until just a week ago when the time was right between projects. Chrome on the other hand I can start using immediately.
Todd Smith
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Chris Maunder wrote:
.NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor
.NET 3.5 is a bit of an oddity. .NET 3 came out and it was out of step with Visual Studio, then 3.5 came out which introduced lots and lots of changes WRT the languages is versioned more like a service pack than a big release. And then, along comes 3.5 SP1, which offers a raft of new features and is called a service pack. Oh well.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
.NET 3.5 is a bit of an oddity. .NET 3 came out and it was out of step with Visual Studio, then 3.5 came out which introduced lots and lots of changes WRT the languages is versioned more like a service pack than a big release. And then, along comes 3.5 SP1, which offers a raft of new features and is called a service pack.
Then .NET service pack 2 (beta) comes out and gets ninja installed on my box and causes my websites to start hemoraging. Uninstall! Uninstall!
Todd Smith
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Everyone wants a chance to be in Google's pants. That's all. It's called "Fanboy Syndrome" it appears to be catching here. X|
Where is the vote bottom for a perfect 10? ;)
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Google Chrome – Not so shinny..
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Where is the vote bottom for a perfect 10? ;)
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Google Chrome – Not so shinny..
You have a vote bottom?
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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It just hit me that I've not seen so much talk and traffic over a single topic (Chrome) for a long, long time. When .NET 3.5 was released there was barely a murmor. SQL Server 2008 was released earlier this year, then actually released just last month, but if you stepped out to get a coffee you would have missed it. Is Software Development so dull these days that it takes the release of a web browser, in beta, to get us excited? Apart from giving webdevs more gray hair by forcing them to finally stop ignoring the WebKit rendering engine (we were doing so well at ignoring Apple up until now) what does it actually mean for anyone? It's a little odd.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Oh yes !! I'm bored not of the technologies but the interface with the computer (aka Mouse & Keyboard). :laugh: Does anyone have a cheap solution about voice computing or even 'Mental' computing something like Notepad but more like a 'Thinkpad' with 200% efficiency? I'd like it to write code automatically ;P , correct any errors ;P , auto-compile to all platforms :laugh: , auto-refactor :-D and have a really cool intelliapp :cool: ... A very advanced Intellisense system where you think something like "A really, really cool CAD program" and have an executable of "SuperDooperCAD.exe" in 5 secs. Oh and please note that any surgery to my brain for jacks and connectors is negotiable ;P
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The exitement over Chrome is partly like watching a new prize fighter enter the ring...we're all kind of curious to watch the Chrome/IE/Firefox death match. Also, it's interesting to see their strategies and tactics to win our 'hearts and minds'.
Where would you like to place Opera in all this? I would like to see a browser properly adressing the presentation problem, a browser that rendering pages the way we expected them to be. How hard is it just to read the CSS spesification and really TRY to implement it. A great idea would be to build a unified rendering engine. THIS is what McCain and Obama should be concerned about these days. (edited for spelling errors)
modified on Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:51 PM