Is it true about Chrome?
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I kept my reply to your ignorant comment civil, please keep your's.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
Paul Watson wrote:
I kept my reply to your ignorant comment civil, please keep your's.
Do yourself a favour: pull the stick out of your arse you pompous, self righteous wanker.
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Those benchmarks are accurate. But those benchmarks were made by Google. They focused on the strengths of V8 and not the weaknesses. Other benchmarks by John Resig[^] show V8 a bit better than other engines. TraceMonkey by Mozilla is coming along well. As John points out the Google benchmarks may not reflect any kind of practical reality. i.e. edge case benchmarking.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
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What the heck is a JavaScript benchmark and why should I care? Pop-ups pop up 100x faster under Chrome?
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Let's just suppose that you wanted to discuss issues of interest with other individuals using a sort of software "forum". And suppose that instead of writing a bit of normal desktop software that interested users would download, install, and run whenever they wished to communicate with you, you decided to hack together some sort of web page for this purpose, perhaps hoping that these prospective users (fickle creatures that they are), would be more likely to use it this way. Well, you'd quickly find out that the user experience suffered in comparison to existing desktop software, for many different reasons: the number of messages that can be sent down on a single web page is tiny compared to what a dedicated desktop app can offer, tools for creating and editing messages are archaic, every non-trivial request from the user requires a request from the server and a jarring page refresh... Your choice to use this "web" thing is looking like a bad one. Ho ho! Turns out, with a little bit of effort, you can write software that runs in a web page, on the users' desktops, giving them the appearance of full access to messages, modern editing tools, the whole mess. "Saved!" you think, "I can have my cake long after i've already devoured it!" Well, you're wrong. This has nothing to do with cake. And it turns out, the software you can write for web pages is heavily constrained by the speed of the browsers available to run it. Giving your users a "desktop-like" experience kinda sucks when that desktop is an under-clocked PC-AT from 1985. Wait! What's that in the sky? A bird? A fox? A fruit of some kind? A ridiculously large number, misspelled? No! It's Captain Benchmark, a well-muscled accountant-type superhero, here to heap ridicule on the browsers that so cruelly dashed your hopes. Soon, they'll be back, re-written and humbly offering you respectable performance. Yay! Huzzah! And such.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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Not using "web apps" will help them get it done faster.
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Amusingly, you're using a web app to discuss your feelings on the subject.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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What the heck is a JavaScript benchmark and why should I care? Pop-ups pop up 100x faster under Chrome?
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Personally, I have always been a little bit perturbed about the poor implementation of DOM and JS. Of course, I have not been so perturbed as to actually contribute to the Mozilla project but just enough to complain.
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Amusingly, you're using a web app to discuss your feelings on the subject.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Amusingly, you're using a web app to discuss your feelings on the subject.
When does a web site become a web application?
Josh Gray wrote:
When does a web site become a web application?
When you print it out and the paper copy fails to retain the bulk of the functionality of the site.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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Josh Gray wrote:
When does a web site become a web application?
When you print it out and the paper copy fails to retain the bulk of the functionality of the site.
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You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.
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Paul Watson wrote:
I kept my reply to your ignorant comment civil, please keep your's.
Do yourself a favour: pull the stick out of your arse you pompous, self righteous wanker.
Winner of the 2008 Man Most Likely To Tell You To Sod Off Award
wow! that was totally out of line :suss:
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
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Important for web-apps. More than a few people these days spend a lot of time in their browser using web-apps. Not just the web 2.0 crowd but intranet and enterprise web-apps too. Faster, more robust JavaScript processes will help people get work done.
cheers, Paul M. Watson.
i'm doing some siebel crm on demand stuff for a fortune 100 and the pages are slow as molasses ... anything to speed up the data connections would be great :)
"mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"
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Bigger bars are better or worse? (Is there an article detailing what was actually tested)
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Paul Watson wrote:
I kept my reply to your ignorant comment civil, please keep your's.
Do yourself a favour: pull the stick out of your arse you pompous, self righteous wanker.
Winner of the 2008 Man Most Likely To Tell You To Sod Off Award
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That's Googles own test suite, they probably used it to optimize V8 (Chrome's JavaScript engine). Other benchmarks have other results... but V8 is pretty good. Here are some results I found on the web for the SunSpider benchmark:
Browser time in ms
IE 7.0 21273
IE 8.0 Beta 2 15212,8
FF 3.0.1 2989,4
FF 3.1 Alpha 2852,2
FF 3.1 Pre-Beta 1524
Opera 9.52 3977,2
Google Chrome 0.2 1635,2Or just try it yourself[^] EDIT: and here's another benchmark: http://dromaeo.com/[^]
Daniel Grunwald wrote:
they probably used it to optimize V8 (Chrome's JavaScript engine)
In my slightly blurry eyed monday morning pre coffee state I read that as "they probably used it to optimize VB (Chrome's JavaScript engine)" and for a moment a small piece of me died! Russell
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Yes, that's right. google are marketing their new browser. Only, when they do it, I presume it's not evil.
Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.
Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, that's right. google are marketing their new browser. Only, when they do it, I presume it's not evil.
It did start off evil with their "Everything you submit via Chrome belongs to us" EULA: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/google_chrome_eula_sucks/[^] But they later changed it, so a little less evil now.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Amusingly, you're using a web app to discuss your feelings on the subject.
When does a web site become a web application?
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Christian Graus wrote:
Amusingly, you're using a web app to discuss your feelings on the subject.
When does a web site become a web application?
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Christian Graus wrote:
Amusingly, you're using a web app to discuss your feelings on the subject.
When does a web site become a web application?
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Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, that's right. google are marketing their new browser. Only, when they do it, I presume it's not evil.
It did start off evil with their "Everything you submit via Chrome belongs to us" EULA: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/google_chrome_eula_sucks/[^] But they later changed it, so a little less evil now.
They changed this part of the EULA. So now it's "not evil".
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Paul Watson wrote:
I kept my reply to your ignorant comment civil, please keep your's.
Do yourself a favour: pull the stick out of your arse you pompous, self righteous wanker.
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"pompous, self righteous wanker" Looks like you're looking in the mirror.
'Howard
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I'm surprised to see Opera sat at the bottom of all these benchmarks. It seems like the fastest browser in practice. What is sure, is that unless every browser offers fast Javascript and everyone uses these browsers, we're still going to be constrained by the lowest common denominator. IE6 then.
Matt Dockerty
