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  • C Christian Graus

    Amusingly, you're using a web app to discuss your feelings on the subject.

    Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.

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    Lost User
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    Christian Graus wrote:

    Amusingly, you're using a web app to discuss your feelings on the subject.

    When does a web site become a web application?

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      Christian Graus wrote:

      Amusingly, you're using a web app to discuss your feelings on the subject.

      When does a web site become a web application?

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      Shog9 0
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      Josh Gray wrote:

      When does a web site become a web application?

      When you print it out and the paper copy fails to retain the bulk of the functionality of the site.

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      You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.

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        Josh Gray wrote:

        When does a web site become a web application?

        When you print it out and the paper copy fails to retain the bulk of the functionality of the site.

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        You're right. These facts that you've laid out totally contradict the wild ramblings that I pulled off the back of cornflakes packets.

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        Lost User
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        Shog9 wrote:

        When you print it out and the paper copy fails to retain the bulk of the functionality of the site.

        Yeah that works!

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        • M martin_hughes

          Paul Watson wrote:

          I kept my reply to your ignorant comment civil, please keep your's.

          Do yourself a favour: pull the stick out of your arse you pompous, self righteous wanker.

          Winner of the 2008 Man Most Likely To Tell You To Sod Off Award

          Top Secret Plan for World Domination

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          l a u r e n
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          wow! that was totally out of line :suss:

          "mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"

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          • P Paul Watson

            Important for web-apps. More than a few people these days spend a lot of time in their browser using web-apps. Not just the web 2.0 crowd but intranet and enterprise web-apps too. Faster, more robust JavaScript processes will help people get work done.

            cheers, Paul M. Watson.

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            l a u r e n
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            i'm doing some siebel crm on demand stuff for a fortune 100 and the pages are slow as molasses ... anything to speed up the data connections would be great :)

            "mostly watching the human race is like watching dogs watch tv ... they see the pictures move but the meaning escapes them"

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            • M Mohammad Dayyan

              Hi. I saw this[^] somewhere. Is it right ? :^)

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              Duncan Edwards Jones
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              Bigger bars are better or worse? (Is there an article detailing what was actually tested)

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              • M martin_hughes

                Paul Watson wrote:

                I kept my reply to your ignorant comment civil, please keep your's.

                Do yourself a favour: pull the stick out of your arse you pompous, self righteous wanker.

                Winner of the 2008 Man Most Likely To Tell You To Sod Off Award

                Top Secret Plan for World Domination

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                Lost User
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                :wtf: Wow i never saw this much 1's Voting you made 28 vote :omg: this must be a record ;P you even beat me :laugh:

                The Web Developer. Beirout-Lebanon

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                • D Daniel Grunwald

                  That's Googles own test suite, they probably used it to optimize V8 (Chrome's JavaScript engine). Other benchmarks have other results... but V8 is pretty good. Here are some results I found on the web for the SunSpider benchmark:

                  Browser time in ms
                  IE 7.0 21273
                  IE 8.0 Beta 2 15212,8
                  FF 3.0.1 2989,4
                  FF 3.1 Alpha 2852,2
                  FF 3.1 Pre-Beta 1524
                  Opera 9.52 3977,2
                  Google Chrome 0.2 1635,2

                  Or just try it yourself[^] EDIT: and here's another benchmark: http://dromaeo.com/[^]

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                  Russell Jones
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                  Daniel Grunwald wrote:

                  they probably used it to optimize V8 (Chrome's JavaScript engine)

                  In my slightly blurry eyed monday morning pre coffee state I read that as "they probably used it to optimize VB (Chrome's JavaScript engine)" and for a moment a small piece of me died! Russell

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                  • C Christian Graus

                    Yes, that's right. google are marketing their new browser. Only, when they do it, I presume it's not evil.

                    Christian Graus No longer a Microsoft MVP, but still happy to answer your questions.

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                    jlwarlow
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                    Christian Graus wrote:

                    Yes, that's right. google are marketing their new browser. Only, when they do it, I presume it's not evil.

                    It did start off evil with their "Everything you submit via Chrome belongs to us" EULA: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/google_chrome_eula_sucks/[^] But they later changed it, so a little less evil now.

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                    • L Lost User

                      Christian Graus wrote:

                      Amusingly, you're using a web app to discuss your feelings on the subject.

                      When does a web site become a web application?

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                      M Towler
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                      According to Mr Hughes, when it stops you working ;P

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                      • L Lost User

                        Christian Graus wrote:

                        Amusingly, you're using a web app to discuss your feelings on the subject.

                        When does a web site become a web application?

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                        Filip C
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                        When it does something more than just display static html content.

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                        • L Lost User

                          Christian Graus wrote:

                          Amusingly, you're using a web app to discuss your feelings on the subject.

                          When does a web site become a web application?

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                          MCEdwards
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                          I think officially it is when 20% of your code is JavaScript and you can use the term Ajax three times in a sentence meaningfully. ;P

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                            Christian Graus wrote:

                            Yes, that's right. google are marketing their new browser. Only, when they do it, I presume it's not evil.

                            It did start off evil with their "Everything you submit via Chrome belongs to us" EULA: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/03/google_chrome_eula_sucks/[^] But they later changed it, so a little less evil now.

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                            NetVicious
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                            They changed this part of the EULA. So now it's "not evil".

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                            • M martin_hughes

                              Paul Watson wrote:

                              I kept my reply to your ignorant comment civil, please keep your's.

                              Do yourself a favour: pull the stick out of your arse you pompous, self righteous wanker.

                              Winner of the 2008 Man Most Likely To Tell You To Sod Off Award

                              Top Secret Plan for World Domination

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                              Howard Richards
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                              "pompous, self righteous wanker" Looks like you're looking in the mirror.

                              'Howard

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                              • M Mohammad Dayyan

                                Hi. I saw this[^] somewhere. Is it right ? :^)

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                                nistrum404
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                                I'm surprised to see Opera sat at the bottom of all these benchmarks. It seems like the fastest browser in practice. What is sure, is that unless every browser offers fast Javascript and everyone uses these browsers, we're still going to be constrained by the lowest common denominator. IE6 then.

                                Matt Dockerty

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                                • M martin_hughes

                                  Paul Watson wrote:

                                  I kept my reply to your ignorant comment civil, please keep your's.

                                  Do yourself a favour: pull the stick out of your arse you pompous, self righteous wanker.

                                  Winner of the 2008 Man Most Likely To Tell You To Sod Off Award

                                  Top Secret Plan for World Domination

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                                  peterchen
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                                  Who are you and what have you done to Martin?

                                  Burning Chrome ^ | Linkify!| FoldWithUs! | sighist

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                                  • H Howard Richards

                                    "pompous, self righteous wanker" Looks like you're looking in the mirror.

                                    'Howard

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                                    Marc Firth
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                                    I wonder if he realised that this forum uses javascript (the drop down menus, form validation etc)? I have looked at chrome and I cant really see much difference. I am concerned about the browser's security however. Are there any comparison sites about yet? :confused:

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                                      I wonder if he realised that this forum uses javascript (the drop down menus, form validation etc)? I have looked at chrome and I cant really see much difference. I am concerned about the browser's security however. Are there any comparison sites about yet? :confused:

                                      **IA Computing Ltd - Neonlight
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                                      Howard Richards
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                                      I looked at Chrome too. The only reason I could see for its existence is to extend the reach of Google At present they can only collect data when we use their sites. If they own the browser then they can collect data on EVERY site you visit.

                                      'Howard

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                                      • H Howard Richards

                                        I looked at Chrome too. The only reason I could see for its existence is to extend the reach of Google At present they can only collect data when we use their sites. If they own the browser then they can collect data on EVERY site you visit.

                                        'Howard

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                                        Marc Firth
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                                        Judging by the recent argument they had over personal data in youtube. I am a little more comfortable with them holding information on what I do online. Doesn't Google already retain information based on searches, referrers and IP addresses? Apparently there are programs you can install that run random searches to anonymize your browsing habits? is such a thing available for chrome. I've forgotten what it was called.

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                                        • D Duncan Edwards Jones

                                          Bigger bars are better or worse? (Is there an article detailing what was actually tested)

                                          '--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd

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                                          Mohammad Dayyan
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                                          Duncan Edwards Jones wrote:

                                          (Is there an article detailing what was actually tested)

                                          Oh, I'm sorry. I'm missing it. Did you see this[^]

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