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  • T toxcct

    why don't you just do this :

    TModel = {0};

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    CPallini
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    Because it doesn't work? For instance

    int a[50] = {0};

    Doesn't produce the result I'm expecting (it initializes only the first array element). Am i wrong? :)

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      Because it doesn't work? For instance

      int a[50] = {0};

      Doesn't produce the result I'm expecting (it initializes only the first array element). Am i wrong? :)

      If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
      This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
      [My articles]

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      CPallini wrote:

      Am i wrong?

      you are, or the compiler is ! the standard says that such a construction (when initializing a variable at the same time than declaration) initializes every element of the array to their default value. I'm even pretty sure Nemanja Trifunovic quoted me somewhere about that...

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        Because it doesn't work? For instance

        int a[50] = {0};

        Doesn't produce the result I'm expecting (it initializes only the first array element). Am i wrong? :)

        If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
        This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
        [My articles]

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        David Crow
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        CPallini wrote:

        (it initializes only the first array element).

        Not according to the STOSx instructions. Of course, I only use it to initialize POD types to 0. Otherwise, I'd use memset().

        "Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown

        "The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch

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          CPallini wrote:

          Am i wrong?

          you are, or the compiler is ! the standard says that such a construction (when initializing a variable at the same time than declaration) initializes every element of the array to their default value. I'm even pretty sure Nemanja Trifunovic quoted me somewhere about that...

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          toxcct wrote:

          you are, or the compiler is !

          Maybe the latter: the program:

          #include <iostream>
          using namespace std;

          void main()
          {
          const int N = 10;
          int a[N]={7};

          for (int i=0; i<N;i++)
          {
          cout << a[i] << endl;
          }
          }

          the output:

          7
          0
          0
          0
          0
          0
          0
          0
          0
          0

          The system: Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition running on Win XP. Eventually YOU may be wrong! ;P (actually I'm quite confident you're right, but don't use it unless you really want surprises!) [added] Actually I think VS2008 cannot be so out-of-the-standard. I suppose the standard establishing that, whenever the initialization list is too short, the remaining array items are default-initialized (to 0 if integers). [/added] :)

          If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
          This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
          [My articles]

          modified on Tuesday, September 9, 2008 11:53 AM

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            CPallini wrote:

            (it initializes only the first array element).

            Not according to the STOSx instructions. Of course, I only use it to initialize POD types to 0. Otherwise, I'd use memset().

            "Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown

            "The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch

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            CPallini
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            Sorry no STOS here:

            ...
            const int N = 10;
            int a[N]={7};
            00401003 xor eax,eax
            00401005 push esi
            00401006 mov dword ptr [esp+8],7
            0040100E mov dword ptr [esp+0Ch],eax
            00401012 mov dword ptr [esp+10h],eax
            00401016 mov dword ptr [esp+14h],eax
            0040101A mov dword ptr [esp+18h],eax
            0040101E mov dword ptr [esp+1Ch],eax
            00401022 mov dword ptr [esp+20h],eax
            00401026 mov dword ptr [esp+24h],eax
            0040102A mov dword ptr [esp+28h],eax
            0040102E mov dword ptr [esp+2Ch],eax
            ...

            (Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition, Win XP). :)

            If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
            This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
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              toxcct wrote:

              you are, or the compiler is !

              Maybe the latter: the program:

              #include <iostream>
              using namespace std;

              void main()
              {
              const int N = 10;
              int a[N]={7};

              for (int i=0; i<N;i++)
              {
              cout << a[i] << endl;
              }
              }

              the output:

              7
              0
              0
              0
              0
              0
              0
              0
              0
              0

              The system: Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition running on Win XP. Eventually YOU may be wrong! ;P (actually I'm quite confident you're right, but don't use it unless you really want surprises!) [added] Actually I think VS2008 cannot be so out-of-the-standard. I suppose the standard establishing that, whenever the initialization list is too short, the remaining array items are default-initialized (to 0 if integers). [/added] :)

              If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
              This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
              [My articles]

              modified on Tuesday, September 9, 2008 11:53 AM

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              Same output with Visual C++ 6.0, WinXP SP2 :) Surprising..:confused:

              Regards, Sandip.

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                Sorry no STOS here:

                ...
                const int N = 10;
                int a[N]={7};
                00401003 xor eax,eax
                00401005 push esi
                00401006 mov dword ptr [esp+8],7
                0040100E mov dword ptr [esp+0Ch],eax
                00401012 mov dword ptr [esp+10h],eax
                00401016 mov dword ptr [esp+14h],eax
                0040101A mov dword ptr [esp+18h],eax
                0040101E mov dword ptr [esp+1Ch],eax
                00401022 mov dword ptr [esp+20h],eax
                00401026 mov dword ptr [esp+24h],eax
                0040102A mov dword ptr [esp+28h],eax
                0040102E mov dword ptr [esp+2Ch],eax
                ...

                (Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition, Win XP). :)

                If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                [My articles]

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                David Crow
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                CPallini wrote:

                00401003 xor eax,eax

                Look two lines up from this one and you should find:

                rep stosd

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                  CPallini wrote:

                  00401003 xor eax,eax

                  Look two lines up from this one and you should find:

                  rep stosd

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                  "The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch

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                  CPallini
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                  No luck (there isn't such insruction). On the other hand, the output of this program [^] confirms my assumption. See also Sandip's post [^]. I should admit I was very surprised by such a behaviour. :)

                  If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                  This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                  [My articles]

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                  • S SandipG

                    Same output with Visual C++ 6.0, WinXP SP2 :) Surprising..:confused:

                    Regards, Sandip.

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                    toxcct
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                    SandipG :) wrote:

                    Same output with Visual C++ 6.0

                    Visual C++ is not what a decent programmer call a standard compliant compiler, Sir !

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                      No luck (there isn't such insruction). On the other hand, the output of this program [^] confirms my assumption. See also Sandip's post [^]. I should admit I was very surprised by such a behaviour. :)

                      If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                      This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                      [My articles]

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                      toxcct
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                      and what about {0} instead of {7}, and in Release Mode, not in Debug Mode ?

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                      • T toxcct

                        and what about {0} instead of {7}, and in Release Mode, not in Debug Mode ?

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                        CPallini
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                        See my added remark here [^]. BTW my tests were of course performed both in Debug and the Release mode. ;P :)

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                        • T toxcct

                          and what about {0} instead of {7}, and in Release Mode, not in Debug Mode ?

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                          toxcct wrote:

                          ...and what about {0} instead of {7}...

                          0 works fine.

                          toxcct wrote:

                          ...and in Release Mode, not in Debug Mode ?

                          Same results for both 0 and 7. This is why I only do it when setting things to 0. I use memset() otherwise.

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                          "The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch

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                            SandipG :) wrote:

                            Same output with Visual C++ 6.0

                            Visual C++ is not what a decent programmer call a standard compliant compiler, Sir !

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                            CPallini
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                            IMHO such a discrepancy would be too gross, even for VC6. :)

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                            This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                            [My articles]

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                              IMHO such a discrepancy would be too gross, even for VC6. :)

                              If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                              This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                              [My articles]

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                              toxcct
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                              yes, probably, but it's not *THE* compiler to test the standard ! ;) ;P

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                                toxcct wrote:

                                ...and what about {0} instead of {7}...

                                0 works fine.

                                toxcct wrote:

                                ...and in Release Mode, not in Debug Mode ?

                                Same results for both 0 and 7. This is why I only do it when setting things to 0. I use memset() otherwise.

                                "Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown

                                "The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch

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                                DavidCrow wrote:

                                0 works fine.

                                It is just a side-effect of default (int) initialization: you're actually initializing only the first array item. Try the following code:

                                #include <iostream>
                                using namespace std;

                                struct MyStruct
                                {
                                MyStruct():_i(-1), _j(0),_k(-1){ }
                                MyStruct(int a):_i(a), _j(a), _k(a){ }
                                int _i,_j,_k;
                                };

                                void main()
                                {
                                int i;
                                MyStruct a[5] = {0};
                                for (i=0; i<5; i++)
                                {
                                cout << i << ") {" << a[i]._i << ", " << a[i]._j <<", " << a[i]._k << "}" << endl;
                                }
                                }

                                DavidCrow wrote:

                                This is why I only do it when setting things to 0. I use memset() otherwise.

                                The above is a wise approach. :)

                                If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                                This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                                [My articles]

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                                  DavidCrow wrote:

                                  0 works fine.

                                  It is just a side-effect of default (int) initialization: you're actually initializing only the first array item. Try the following code:

                                  #include <iostream>
                                  using namespace std;

                                  struct MyStruct
                                  {
                                  MyStruct():_i(-1), _j(0),_k(-1){ }
                                  MyStruct(int a):_i(a), _j(a), _k(a){ }
                                  int _i,_j,_k;
                                  };

                                  void main()
                                  {
                                  int i;
                                  MyStruct a[5] = {0};
                                  for (i=0; i<5; i++)
                                  {
                                  cout << i << ") {" << a[i]._i << ", " << a[i]._j <<", " << a[i]._k << "}" << endl;
                                  }
                                  }

                                  DavidCrow wrote:

                                  This is why I only do it when setting things to 0. I use memset() otherwise.

                                  The above is a wise approach. :)

                                  If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                                  This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                                  [My articles]

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                                  For structs, I'd use memset(). I only use 0 for POD types.

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                                  "The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch

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                                    For structs, I'd use memset(). I only use 0 for POD types.

                                    "Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown

                                    "The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch

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                                    DavidCrow wrote:

                                    For structs, I'd use memset(). I only use 0 for POD types.

                                    That's good. :)

                                    If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                                    This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                                    [My articles]

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