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  • T toxcct

    CPallini wrote:

    Am i wrong?

    you are, or the compiler is ! the standard says that such a construction (when initializing a variable at the same time than declaration) initializes every element of the array to their default value. I'm even pretty sure Nemanja Trifunovic quoted me somewhere about that...

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    toxcct wrote:

    you are, or the compiler is !

    Maybe the latter: the program:

    #include <iostream>
    using namespace std;

    void main()
    {
    const int N = 10;
    int a[N]={7};

    for (int i=0; i<N;i++)
    {
    cout << a[i] << endl;
    }
    }

    the output:

    7
    0
    0
    0
    0
    0
    0
    0
    0
    0

    The system: Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition running on Win XP. Eventually YOU may be wrong! ;P (actually I'm quite confident you're right, but don't use it unless you really want surprises!) [added] Actually I think VS2008 cannot be so out-of-the-standard. I suppose the standard establishing that, whenever the initialization list is too short, the remaining array items are default-initialized (to 0 if integers). [/added] :)

    If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
    This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
    [My articles]

    modified on Tuesday, September 9, 2008 11:53 AM

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    • D David Crow

      CPallini wrote:

      (it initializes only the first array element).

      Not according to the STOSx instructions. Of course, I only use it to initialize POD types to 0. Otherwise, I'd use memset().

      "Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown

      "The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch

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      CPallini
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      Sorry no STOS here:

      ...
      const int N = 10;
      int a[N]={7};
      00401003 xor eax,eax
      00401005 push esi
      00401006 mov dword ptr [esp+8],7
      0040100E mov dword ptr [esp+0Ch],eax
      00401012 mov dword ptr [esp+10h],eax
      00401016 mov dword ptr [esp+14h],eax
      0040101A mov dword ptr [esp+18h],eax
      0040101E mov dword ptr [esp+1Ch],eax
      00401022 mov dword ptr [esp+20h],eax
      00401026 mov dword ptr [esp+24h],eax
      0040102A mov dword ptr [esp+28h],eax
      0040102E mov dword ptr [esp+2Ch],eax
      ...

      (Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition, Win XP). :)

      If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
      This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
      [My articles]

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        toxcct wrote:

        you are, or the compiler is !

        Maybe the latter: the program:

        #include <iostream>
        using namespace std;

        void main()
        {
        const int N = 10;
        int a[N]={7};

        for (int i=0; i<N;i++)
        {
        cout << a[i] << endl;
        }
        }

        the output:

        7
        0
        0
        0
        0
        0
        0
        0
        0
        0

        The system: Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition running on Win XP. Eventually YOU may be wrong! ;P (actually I'm quite confident you're right, but don't use it unless you really want surprises!) [added] Actually I think VS2008 cannot be so out-of-the-standard. I suppose the standard establishing that, whenever the initialization list is too short, the remaining array items are default-initialized (to 0 if integers). [/added] :)

        If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
        This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
        [My articles]

        modified on Tuesday, September 9, 2008 11:53 AM

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        Same output with Visual C++ 6.0, WinXP SP2 :) Surprising..:confused:

        Regards, Sandip.

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        • C CPallini

          Sorry no STOS here:

          ...
          const int N = 10;
          int a[N]={7};
          00401003 xor eax,eax
          00401005 push esi
          00401006 mov dword ptr [esp+8],7
          0040100E mov dword ptr [esp+0Ch],eax
          00401012 mov dword ptr [esp+10h],eax
          00401016 mov dword ptr [esp+14h],eax
          0040101A mov dword ptr [esp+18h],eax
          0040101E mov dword ptr [esp+1Ch],eax
          00401022 mov dword ptr [esp+20h],eax
          00401026 mov dword ptr [esp+24h],eax
          0040102A mov dword ptr [esp+28h],eax
          0040102E mov dword ptr [esp+2Ch],eax
          ...

          (Visual C++ 2008 Express Edition, Win XP). :)

          If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
          This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
          [My articles]

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          CPallini wrote:

          00401003 xor eax,eax

          Look two lines up from this one and you should find:

          rep stosd

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            CPallini wrote:

            00401003 xor eax,eax

            Look two lines up from this one and you should find:

            rep stosd

            "Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown

            "The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch

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            CPallini
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            No luck (there isn't such insruction). On the other hand, the output of this program [^] confirms my assumption. See also Sandip's post [^]. I should admit I was very surprised by such a behaviour. :)

            If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
            This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
            [My articles]

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            • S SandipG

              Same output with Visual C++ 6.0, WinXP SP2 :) Surprising..:confused:

              Regards, Sandip.

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              SandipG :) wrote:

              Same output with Visual C++ 6.0

              Visual C++ is not what a decent programmer call a standard compliant compiler, Sir !

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                No luck (there isn't such insruction). On the other hand, the output of this program [^] confirms my assumption. See also Sandip's post [^]. I should admit I was very surprised by such a behaviour. :)

                If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                [My articles]

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                toxcct
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                and what about {0} instead of {7}, and in Release Mode, not in Debug Mode ?

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                • T toxcct

                  and what about {0} instead of {7}, and in Release Mode, not in Debug Mode ?

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                  CPallini
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                  See my added remark here [^]. BTW my tests were of course performed both in Debug and the Release mode. ;P :)

                  If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                  This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                  [My articles]

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                  • T toxcct

                    and what about {0} instead of {7}, and in Release Mode, not in Debug Mode ?

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                    toxcct wrote:

                    ...and what about {0} instead of {7}...

                    0 works fine.

                    toxcct wrote:

                    ...and in Release Mode, not in Debug Mode ?

                    Same results for both 0 and 7. This is why I only do it when setting things to 0. I use memset() otherwise.

                    "Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown

                    "The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch

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                    • T toxcct

                      SandipG :) wrote:

                      Same output with Visual C++ 6.0

                      Visual C++ is not what a decent programmer call a standard compliant compiler, Sir !

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                      IMHO such a discrepancy would be too gross, even for VC6. :)

                      If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                      This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                      [My articles]

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                        IMHO such a discrepancy would be too gross, even for VC6. :)

                        If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                        This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                        [My articles]

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                        yes, probably, but it's not *THE* compiler to test the standard ! ;) ;P

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                          toxcct wrote:

                          ...and what about {0} instead of {7}...

                          0 works fine.

                          toxcct wrote:

                          ...and in Release Mode, not in Debug Mode ?

                          Same results for both 0 and 7. This is why I only do it when setting things to 0. I use memset() otherwise.

                          "Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown

                          "The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch

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                          DavidCrow wrote:

                          0 works fine.

                          It is just a side-effect of default (int) initialization: you're actually initializing only the first array item. Try the following code:

                          #include <iostream>
                          using namespace std;

                          struct MyStruct
                          {
                          MyStruct():_i(-1), _j(0),_k(-1){ }
                          MyStruct(int a):_i(a), _j(a), _k(a){ }
                          int _i,_j,_k;
                          };

                          void main()
                          {
                          int i;
                          MyStruct a[5] = {0};
                          for (i=0; i<5; i++)
                          {
                          cout << i << ") {" << a[i]._i << ", " << a[i]._j <<", " << a[i]._k << "}" << endl;
                          }
                          }

                          DavidCrow wrote:

                          This is why I only do it when setting things to 0. I use memset() otherwise.

                          The above is a wise approach. :)

                          If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                          This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                          [My articles]

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                            DavidCrow wrote:

                            0 works fine.

                            It is just a side-effect of default (int) initialization: you're actually initializing only the first array item. Try the following code:

                            #include <iostream>
                            using namespace std;

                            struct MyStruct
                            {
                            MyStruct():_i(-1), _j(0),_k(-1){ }
                            MyStruct(int a):_i(a), _j(a), _k(a){ }
                            int _i,_j,_k;
                            };

                            void main()
                            {
                            int i;
                            MyStruct a[5] = {0};
                            for (i=0; i<5; i++)
                            {
                            cout << i << ") {" << a[i]._i << ", " << a[i]._j <<", " << a[i]._k << "}" << endl;
                            }
                            }

                            DavidCrow wrote:

                            This is why I only do it when setting things to 0. I use memset() otherwise.

                            The above is a wise approach. :)

                            If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                            This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                            [My articles]

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                            For structs, I'd use memset(). I only use 0 for POD types.

                            "Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown

                            "The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch

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                              For structs, I'd use memset(). I only use 0 for POD types.

                              "Love people and use things, not love things and use people." - Unknown

                              "The brick walls are there for a reason...to stop the people who don't want it badly enough." - Randy Pausch

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                              CPallini
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                              DavidCrow wrote:

                              For structs, I'd use memset(). I only use 0 for POD types.

                              That's good. :)

                              If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                              This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
                              [My articles]

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