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Where did the credit crisis of today get it's start?

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  • B BoneSoft

    Nah. And even if I was, and was really cold, I could say he already got his. But, it sure would be nice to tie Teddy K to it. :-D But seriously, I'm not interested in more partisan BS *cough Peloci*, I'm interested in Justice. Let the heads roll no matter what side of the isle they may be on.


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    BoneSoft wrote:

    Let the heads roll no matter what side of the isle they may be on.

    The Queen of Hearts solution seems quite fitting - we can set up one guillotine in the Senate, one in the House of Representatives and maybe a dozen on Wall St.* Added: * we'll have to send a car for Bill Clinton. His office is in Harlem /Added

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    • L Lost User

      "GAs prices rose, food prices shot up"... due to Global Warming! Global Warming alarmism was the pin that burst the subprime mortgage bubble that caused the worlds markets to collapse thus ensuring noone would have anything to spend on Kyoto. Justice.

      Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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      fat_boy wrote:

      Global Warming alarmism was the pin that burst the subprime mortgage bubble

      :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

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      • A Adam Wimsatt

        This article from Sept. 30, 1999 spells it out nicely: New York Times[^]

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        It forgets a big parameter, the securitization of the debts which multiplied and propagated the consequences worldwide.


        Where do you expect us to go when the bombs fall?

        Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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        • M MrPlankton

          There are some here at cp that would call you a racist for linking to such an article :)

          MrPlankton

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          MrPlankton wrote:

          There are some here at cp that would call you a racist for linking to such an article

          trolling?

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          • B BoneSoft

            fat_boy wrote:

            Oh, and f*** that prick Clinton too.

            Don't forget Carter, who signed the bill that started the whole stinking mess[^].


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            What about the one who in 1968 transformed the government agency in a private corporation?

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            • K KaRl

              It forgets a big parameter, the securitization of the debts which multiplied and propagated the consequences worldwide.


              Where do you expect us to go when the bombs fall?

              Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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              Ka?l wrote:

              It forgets a big parameter, the securitization of the debts which multiplied and propagated the consequences worldwide.

              Little Adnan, which part of 1999 didn't you understand?

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                Ka?l wrote:

                It forgets a big parameter, the securitization of the debts which multiplied and propagated the consequences worldwide.

                Little Adnan, which part of 1999 didn't you understand?

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                One thing AQ boy, neither Fortis or Dexia lent money to home buyers in the US. If the debts had not been exported through what are now junk bonds, never this crisis would have been so severe worldwide.

                If you kill a whale, you get Greenpeace and Jacques Cousteau on your back, but wipe out sardines and you get a canning subsidy! Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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                • O Oakman

                  MrPlankton wrote:

                  There are some here at cp that would call you a racist for linking to such an article

                  trolling?

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                  No, sorry if came off that way. The point that this mess was caused as a side effect of making mortgages more accessable to minorities "affirmative action mortgages" was made by me earlier this week, but I was accused of being a racist for making the point. I would have loved to link to the article that Adam °Wimsatt found that indicates it is not a myth or racism on my part.

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                  • B BoneSoft

                    fat_boy wrote:

                    Oh, and f*** that prick Clinton too.

                    Don't forget Carter, who signed the bill that started the whole stinking mess[^].


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                    Oh, and don't forget that prick Bush too. Bush seeks to increase minority homeownership[^]

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                    • M MrPlankton

                      No, sorry if came off that way. The point that this mess was caused as a side effect of making mortgages more accessable to minorities "affirmative action mortgages" was made by me earlier this week, but I was accused of being a racist for making the point. I would have loved to link to the article that Adam °Wimsatt found that indicates it is not a myth or racism on my part.

                      MrPlankton

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                      Bush seeks to increase minority homeownership[^]

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                      • E Ed Gadziemski

                        Oh, and don't forget that prick Bush too. Bush seeks to increase minority homeownership[^]

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                        Fine, forget the fact that he tried to reign in Fannie and Freddy and fry him too. I don't care. Just the fact that he's pushing the bail out is enough. But what the hell... Bush can't win for loosing with you die hard 'partisan or bust' lefties. I'd think you'd love him for this kind of socialist touchy feely crap.


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                        • B BoneSoft

                          Fine, forget the fact that he tried to reign in Fannie and Freddy and fry him too. I don't care. Just the fact that he's pushing the bail out is enough. But what the hell... Bush can't win for loosing with you die hard 'partisan or bust' lefties. I'd think you'd love him for this kind of socialist touchy feely crap.


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                          An understanding of the root of a problem is the key to its successful solution. If you were employed in software development, you'd probably recognize that.

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                            Fine, forget the fact that he tried to reign in Fannie and Freddy and fry him too. I don't care. Just the fact that he's pushing the bail out is enough. But what the hell... Bush can't win for loosing with you die hard 'partisan or bust' lefties. I'd think you'd love him for this kind of socialist touchy feely crap.


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                            BoneSoft wrote:

                            Bush can't win for loosing with you die hard 'partisan or bust' lefties

                            I like a bust as well as anyone in here, especially perky ones, but that's not the reason Bush lost all credibility with me a long time ago.

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                            • M MrPlankton

                              No, sorry if came off that way. The point that this mess was caused as a side effect of making mortgages more accessable to minorities "affirmative action mortgages" was made by me earlier this week, but I was accused of being a racist for making the point. I would have loved to link to the article that Adam °Wimsatt found that indicates it is not a myth or racism on my part.

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                              MrPlankton wrote:

                              I would have loved to link to the article that Adam °Wimsatt found that indicates it is not a myth or racism on my part

                              It was linked to about four days ago. You are obviously not paying attention, young man.

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                              • E Ed Gadziemski

                                An understanding of the root of a problem is the key to its successful solution. If you were employed in software development, you'd probably recognize that.

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                                Ed Gadziemski wrote:

                                An understanding of the root of a problem is the key to its successful solution.

                                Yes! You should look into that. Let me know how it goes.


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                                • K KaRl

                                  One thing AQ boy, neither Fortis or Dexia lent money to home buyers in the US. If the debts had not been exported through what are now junk bonds, never this crisis would have been so severe worldwide.

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                                  Ka?l wrote:

                                  One thing AQ boy, neither Fortis or Dexia lent money to home buyers in the US. If the debts had not been exported through what are now junk bonds, never this crisis would have been so severe worldwide.

                                  Did that make sense in Urdu? Or French? How does what you said relate to an article written in 1999? Just because your mentor strings phrases together that make no sense and have no bearing on the subject at hand, doesn't mean that you should.

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                                    MrPlankton wrote:

                                    I would have loved to link to the article that Adam °Wimsatt found that indicates it is not a myth or racism on my part

                                    It was linked to about four days ago. You are obviously not paying attention, young man.

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                                    Just reading your reply from post earlier this week...

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                                      One thing AQ boy, neither Fortis or Dexia lent money to home buyers in the US. If the debts had not been exported through what are now junk bonds, never this crisis would have been so severe worldwide.

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                                      The question is why these mortgages were securitized into junk assets - the answer is that it was expected that there would be government intervention in the markets (read: bail-out) in case of mass defaults. That is why government interference in the markets (i.e. the socialist ideology) is the worst thing that could ever happen and why government should play as little a role as possible in capital markets.

                                      ...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.

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                                        Ka?l wrote:

                                        One thing AQ boy, neither Fortis or Dexia lent money to home buyers in the US. If the debts had not been exported through what are now junk bonds, never this crisis would have been so severe worldwide.

                                        Did that make sense in Urdu? Or French? How does what you said relate to an article written in 1999? Just because your mentor strings phrases together that make no sense and have no bearing on the subject at hand, doesn't mean that you should.

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                                        You're getting lower and lower everyday, Hatred is like a cancer, it is eating you alive... what a pity to witness such a decay. I explain once again, I hope you will be able to understand my bad english. I don't think this article explains the roots of this crisis. Either it doesn't go far in the past enough missing the original fault which was transforming a government agency in a profit-maximizing private company or it it miss the cause of the severity of the current crisis, the financial games made by the banks to make more money with the debts.

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                                        • 7 73Zeppelin

                                          The question is why these mortgages were securitized into junk assets - the answer is that it was expected that there would be government intervention in the markets (read: bail-out) in case of mass defaults. That is why government interference in the markets (i.e. the socialist ideology) is the worst thing that could ever happen and why government should play as little a role as possible in capital markets.

                                          ...that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore.

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                                          73Zeppelin wrote:

                                          the answer is that it was expected that there would be government intervention in the markets (read: bail-out) in case of mass defaults

                                          You accuse the government to intervene because private companies expect the government to intervene. 'It' was expected the government would not let 1929 happen again, and would eventually intervene, whatever the extraordinary risks taken by private companies. The bet was that if the risks were shared by enough companies, there would be no risk at all, taxpayers would pay in case of failure. This expectation is dishonest, disgusting, and tantamount to extortion.

                                          If you kill a whale, you get Greenpeace and Jacques Cousteau on your back, but wipe out sardines and you get a canning subsidy! Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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