Is the .NET Framework a successful platform?
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This kind of talk made sense 6 years ago but it's a done deal now. There are now *many* big apps that are .net based and doing very well. We have a very large app that is used globally and is one of the leading ones in it's industry and it's done very well by us and by our customers. Little technical issues such as you describe or the platform or technology used are perhaps of interest to programmers but of zero interest to the world at large and have exactly zero bearing on how successful an application is.
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John C wrote:
This kind of talk made sense 6 years ago but it's a done deal now.
Exactly. Even me found the time to learn parts of the large platform! I was one of those not interested in .net and finally found out it was because I was able to quickly code in what I knew but it took long to learn and code in .net. Fortunately I found some free time(it actually took months) and worked hard to learn both web based programming in asp.net and some basic C# skills. I feel much better now. However probably C# will be replaced by something new quickly, but I learned that in order to make a transition easier I shall start from day one when a good technology is being introduced. I remember I had discussions here and one of them, if I remember correctly, was with you who pushed me to learn it. Thank you. :)
"In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni
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I love the C# language and the .NET BCL is very well written and clean. However, not having deterministic deallocation is a big downside for me. Besides, anyone know of any big app written in .NET?
Neverwinter Nights 2 module creator is on .NET (and C# actually). It's a quite complex application, with a lot of graphics and 3D stuff.
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I love the C# language and the .NET BCL is very well written and clean. However, not having deterministic deallocation is a big downside for me. Besides, anyone know of any big app written in .NET?
.jpg wrote:
Besides, anyone know of any big app written in .NET?
Paint.NET Wink RSS Bandit Axosoft's OnTime Red Sql Packager (and the other programs of the suite to manage Sql Server) Apex Sql Doc (and the other programs of the suite to manage Sql Server) BiitSoft CMS Encore Idera Sql Permissions and (I wouldn't bet more than a dime, though) I remember to have seen "suspicious" *.manifets files in a PowerQuest Partition Magic installation and, above all of them, all the programs I write:cool:
Marco Turrini
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I love the C# language and the .NET BCL is very well written and clean. However, not having deterministic deallocation is a big downside for me. Besides, anyone know of any big app written in .NET?
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I love the C# language and the .NET BCL is very well written and clean. However, not having deterministic deallocation is a big downside for me. Besides, anyone know of any big app written in .NET?
Sure. The company i am currently working for is releasing a fairly large project this month written in C# running on .NET 3.0.
modified on Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:54 AM
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.jpg wrote:
not having deterministic deallocation is a big downside for me.
Why? (BTW, C++/CLI has deterministic finalization.)
.jpg wrote:
anyone know of any big app written in .NET?
.NET is used heavily in industry, so I assume you mean productised apps? You will find that a lot of Microsoft's newer applications are written substantially in .NET. BizTalk is a large application written in 100% C# apparently.
Kevin
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Daniel Grunwald wrote:
Deterministic destruction (C++ destructors) are easily replicated with the disposable pattern.
Except that it is the burden on the user of a class to actually use
usingblocks.Daniel Grunwald wrote:
But immediately making released memory available for new allocations is a waste of time, releasing whole blocks of memory is more efficient.
Not really - GC needs to determine which blocks can be released and which not. Worse, usage of non-deterministic GC increases the memory footprint which leads to page faults. In spite of all the papers about GC improving performance, I have yet to find a really performant language with GC.
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I love the C# language and the .NET BCL is very well written and clean. However, not having deterministic deallocation is a big downside for me. Besides, anyone know of any big app written in .NET?
For commercial products, there's a CRM product called Ascent (V.2) which is written in .Net. I used to work somewhere that had it [a major international EMC reseller], writing custom additions. There are LOTS of .Net backed websites/apps. (I note that this page itself has an ."aspx" extension...) There is plenty of C#/.Net work going on in UK-based Investment banking, Insurance etc. I also worked on a 2nd generation version of commercial Photo Kiosk software (used widely in US and UK, you know where you stick your camera card in and get prints/books/mugs/Tshirts/teddies) that was entirely .Net. Dunno if it ever got released as the company got taken over just about as it it was finished.
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I love the C# language and the .NET BCL is very well written and clean. However, not having deterministic deallocation is a big downside for me. Besides, anyone know of any big app written in .NET?
Yes www.Orkut.com
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CodeProject is a web application. Yes, ASP.NET is powerful but we talk about whole platform. Can you tell me a big desktop application written with .NET?
There are loads. See elsewhere in this thread. Many are business applications though, so wouldn't be accessible to you. For a big Microsoft app. see BizTalk.
Kevin
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John C wrote:
This kind of talk made sense 6 years ago but it's a done deal now.
Exactly. Even me found the time to learn parts of the large platform! I was one of those not interested in .net and finally found out it was because I was able to quickly code in what I knew but it took long to learn and code in .net. Fortunately I found some free time(it actually took months) and worked hard to learn both web based programming in asp.net and some basic C# skills. I feel much better now. However probably C# will be replaced by something new quickly, but I learned that in order to make a transition easier I shall start from day one when a good technology is being introduced. I remember I had discussions here and one of them, if I remember correctly, was with you who pushed me to learn it. Thank you. :)
"In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni
Hamed Mosavi wrote:
However probably C# will be replaced by something new quickly
I don't think so. It will be around for some considerable time.
Kevin
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.jpg wrote:
not having deterministic deallocation is a big downside for me.
Why? (BTW, C++/CLI has deterministic finalization.)
.jpg wrote:
anyone know of any big app written in .NET?
.NET is used heavily in industry, so I assume you mean productised apps? You will find that a lot of Microsoft's newer applications are written substantially in .NET. BizTalk is a large application written in 100% C# apparently.
Kevin
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Hamed Mosavi wrote:
However probably C# will be replaced by something new quickly
I don't think so. It will be around for some considerable time.
Kevin
Actually I don't care much about programming languages any longer. This is what I learned. Several years ago I started C++ and then MFC and loved them. Later on I fought years to believe MFC will be alive and still more important and useful than .net. I believe I found my problem. I had a goal which was to create best Windows applications in the world with MFC! I know you're laughing. :-D The problem was the MFC at the end. Now my goal is to: "Create most useful applications." Windows, c++, c#, etc. who cares. PL is important to me but not my goal definitely.
"In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni
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Actually I don't care much about programming languages any longer. This is what I learned. Several years ago I started C++ and then MFC and loved them. Later on I fought years to believe MFC will be alive and still more important and useful than .net. I believe I found my problem. I had a goal which was to create best Windows applications in the world with MFC! I know you're laughing. :-D The problem was the MFC at the end. Now my goal is to: "Create most useful applications." Windows, c++, c#, etc. who cares. PL is important to me but not my goal definitely.
"In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni
Hamed Mosavi wrote:
Several years ago I started C++ and then MFC
Same here.
Hamed Mosavi wrote:
"Create most useful applications." Windows, c++, c#, etc. who cares. PL is important to me but not my goal definitely.
I just try to keep up to date with whatever is the latest stuff coming out of Microsoft - whether I like it or not. There's no choice if I want to stay employed in the Microsoft world. I could try and change to the non-MS world but unfortunately that would be equivalent to being a programmer with zero commercial experience again. It shouldn't be like that but that's the way the IT industry works. Even having just .NET 2.0 will before long render me unemployable in the MS world. So I'm desperately trying to get someone to give me a .NET 3.x contract! :) (I'm currently out of contract.)
Kevin
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Hamed Mosavi wrote:
Several years ago I started C++ and then MFC
Same here.
Hamed Mosavi wrote:
"Create most useful applications." Windows, c++, c#, etc. who cares. PL is important to me but not my goal definitely.
I just try to keep up to date with whatever is the latest stuff coming out of Microsoft - whether I like it or not. There's no choice if I want to stay employed in the Microsoft world. I could try and change to the non-MS world but unfortunately that would be equivalent to being a programmer with zero commercial experience again. It shouldn't be like that but that's the way the IT industry works. Even having just .NET 2.0 will before long render me unemployable in the MS world. So I'm desperately trying to get someone to give me a .NET 3.x contract! :) (I'm currently out of contract.)
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
I'm currently out of contract.
Same here. Finished last job a month ago feeling good to have some free time to read a few books and restart working on my own project until next contract. You'll certainly sign a good contract soon. Your profile is great. I too take a look at new technologies whenever I find free time. However not a lot of free time. We have to work a lot here to make a living.
"In the end it's a little boy expressing himself." Yanni
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I love the C# language and the .NET BCL is very well written and clean. However, not having deterministic deallocation is a big downside for me. Besides, anyone know of any big app written in .NET?
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.jpg wrote:
not having deterministic deallocation is a big downside for me.
Why? (BTW, C++/CLI has deterministic finalization.)
.jpg wrote:
anyone know of any big app written in .NET?
.NET is used heavily in industry, so I assume you mean productised apps? You will find that a lot of Microsoft's newer applications are written substantially in .NET. BizTalk is a large application written in 100% C# apparently.
Kevin
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I love the C# language and the .NET BCL is very well written and clean. However, not having deterministic deallocation is a big downside for me. Besides, anyone know of any big app written in .NET?
Whe have a huge application developed all in C#. Is a SFA solution, that has a Windows Mobile app (.Net Compact Framework 3.5 SP 1), a Desktop administration app (.Net Framework 3.5 SP 1), and a Web Service (.Net Framework 3.5 SP 1). It's operating with more than 100 devices (including pocket pc's and desktop pc's). .Net is simply great :D (PS: sorry about my bad english, I'm from Argentina) fisa (fisa.net@hotmail.com)
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I love the C# language and the .NET BCL is very well written and clean. However, not having deterministic deallocation is a big downside for me. Besides, anyone know of any big app written in .NET?
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I love the C# language and the .NET BCL is very well written and clean. However, not having deterministic deallocation is a big downside for me. Besides, anyone know of any big app written in .NET?
I can think of at least one "enterprise grade" application that uses .NET - Laserfiche. The Laserfiche Scanning application is entirely written in .NET, the Workflow module is written using .NET WF, and I believe the new version of the Laserfiche Client is also written in .NET (but don't quote me on that one). Laserfiche has many millions a year in revenue, and it has 25,000 installations worldwide. It isn't cheap either - a few of the installations I did integrations for were 6 figures (without the integration), and I found most average around 30-50k. Laserfiche Company Info Page[^]
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