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  • O Oakman

    Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

    do show respect to one another even if they can't stand each other

    It's certainly possible to respect someone you can't stand. I've met more than one person who I considered to be an arrogant asshole, but whose work was outstanding. I will usually play nice when I am forced to be in the company of friend's friends who I think aren't worthy of respect. But in that case, I am behaving with respect to my friend, not his friends.

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    Oakman wrote:

    It's certainly possible to respect someone you can't stand.

    Yeah, like Phil Collins. :laugh:

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    • O Oakman

      Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

      Two wrongs don't make a right,

      So there were these two asian guys named Wong and a girl named Sally Wright. . .

      Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

      it just propagates one

      I didn't know you were into horticulture. In other words, when the fuck did Muslims adopt the idea of turning the other cheek? No, not those cheeks!

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      Oakman wrote:

      Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote: Two wrongs don't makedo a right, [?] So there were these two asian guys named Wong and a girl named Sally Wright. . .

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      • O Oakman

        rim-shot; cymbal crash.

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        Oakman wrote:

        rim-shot

        :suss:

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        • O Oakman

          Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

          I'm also saying that the US usually forbids this

          Horse-puckey. Unless the CD directly and deliberately urges violence to be done against Muslims, any attempt to interfere with the CD's distribution would have been slapped down by the judicial system immediately.

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          Oakman wrote:

          Unless the CD directly and deliberately urges violence to be done against Muslims, any attempt to interfere with the CD's distribution would have been slapped down by the judicial system immediately.

          Yet Il'diot considers this qualification an exclusion of freedom of speech in our SA constitution.

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          • R Rob Graham

            First off, I'm not sure what caricature you are even talking about (nor do I care), but frankly it doesn't even sound relevant. Second, I never mentioned "The Davinci Code" (I don't even regard it as particularly "anti-christian"). In fact what I had in mind was "The Beast Movie" a 2006 film whose premise was thet Jesus never existed, but was made up as part of a world domination plot". Made by a very non-christian film maker... My point is simply that the right to free speech is more important than the feelings of any religion. Just not liking what is said about a particular religion is no excuse for allowing the government to censor that speech.

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            Rob Graham wrote:

            "The Beast Movie

            Added to my list. :)

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            • A A Wong

              Take a page from Scientology, less protesting and bombing, more lawsuits. :laugh:

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              You're just Wong!

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              • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                Must be a language thing since you missed the pun. Either that or you're as dense as an oak. You're only right when someone is standing to your left.


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                Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

                You're only right when someone is standing to your left.

                :laugh: Then Stan is always right? :omg:

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                • B Brady Kelly

                  Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

                  except playboy bunnies of course

                  They don't get no respect? :mad:

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                  No they get extra respect. :)

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                  • O Oakman

                    Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

                    Respect is given, admiration is earned

                    Cultural difference is showing. In western culture, respect is not a matter of play-acting.

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                    Oakman wrote:

                    Cultural difference is showing. In western culture, respect is not a matter of play-acting.

                    I've noticed over the last 10 years or so the meaning of respect has changed. I blame Oprah. What is now often called respect is what I know as being polite. I'm polite to people I dont know but respect is something that's earned

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                      Oakman wrote:

                      Cultural difference is showing. In western culture, respect is not a matter of play-acting.

                      I've noticed over the last 10 years or so the meaning of respect has changed. I blame Oprah. What is now often called respect is what I know as being polite. I'm polite to people I dont know but respect is something that's earned

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                      very true. My earlier post as evidence, I really meant A) Be polite. B).... curse you, oprah!

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                      • B bulg

                        very true. My earlier post as evidence, I really meant A) Be polite. B).... curse you, oprah!

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                        bulg wrote:

                        curse you, oprah!

                        Dont be dissin' Oprah!

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                        • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                          Anyone aware of this[^]?


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                          Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

                          Anyone aware of this[^]?

                          Yes. Though I haven't seen it.

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                          • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                            I don't disagree with that. You are 100% right. I'm just saying that what was done was underhanded. It wasn't a debate or something discussed or anything. It was propaganda, nothing more. And I'm not talking about every instance, just this one. I take each event as it comes so as not to generalize.


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                            Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

                            ... I'm just saying that what was done was underhanded. It wasn't a debate or something discussed or anything. It was propaganda, nothing more. And I'm not talking about every instance, just this one. ...

                            (Assuming you're still talking about "Obsession") Really? And you know this, how? Because a bunch of irrational people are jumping up and down threatening to murder other people?

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                            • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                              Oakman wrote:

                              he uses toilet paper.

                              Propaganda. Everybody uses toilet paper. :| :rolleyes:


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                              Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

                              Propaganda. Everybody uses toilet paper. :| :rolleyes:

                              I'm not so sure about that. One of the bitches that *some* Moslems make about Americans is that we don't use our left hands to wipe -- you know, like "the Perfect Man" did -- which, in their view, makes us both (physically) dirty and (morally) unclean.

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                              • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                                You had a first-hand view of this? I'll believe you if you say yes. :laugh:


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                                Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

                                You had a first-hand view of this?

                                Probably. X| Why else would he have made the assertion?

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                                • B Brady Kelly

                                  Oakman wrote:

                                  Unless the CD directly and deliberately urges violence to be done against Muslims, any attempt to interfere with the CD's distribution would have been slapped down by the judicial system immediately.

                                  Yet Il'diot considers this qualification an exclusion of freedom of speech in our SA constitution.

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                                  Oakman: Unless the CD directly and deliberately urges violence to be done against Muslims, any attempt to interfere with the CD's distribution would have been slapped down by the judicial system immediately. Brady Kelly: Yet Il'diot considers this qualification an exclusion of freedom of speech in our SA constitution.

                                  You lie. Of course.

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                                    Oakman wrote:

                                    Cultural difference is showing. In western culture, respect is not a matter of play-acting.

                                    I've noticed over the last 10 years or so the meaning of respect has changed. I blame Oprah. What is now often called respect is what I know as being polite. I'm polite to people I dont know but respect is something that's earned

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                                    Josh Gray wrote:

                                    What is now often called respect is what I know as being polite. I'm polite to people I dont know but respect is something that's earned

                                    I think you're right.

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                                    • B Brady Kelly

                                      Oakman wrote:

                                      Unless the CD directly and deliberately urges violence to be done against Muslims, any attempt to interfere with the CD's distribution would have been slapped down by the judicial system immediately.

                                      Yet Il'diot considers this qualification an exclusion of freedom of speech in our SA constitution.

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                                      Brady Kelly wrote:

                                      Yet Il'diot considers this qualification an exclusion of freedom of speech in our SA constitution

                                      That is because you are *intellectually dishonest!* How could someone who is a *fool* and a *liar* possibly have a constitution that was not imperfect?

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                                        Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:

                                        except playboy bunnies of course

                                        They don't get no respect? :mad:

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                                        Brady Kelly wrote:

                                        They don't get no respect?

                                        They get admiration.

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                                        • O Oakman

                                          Brady Kelly wrote:

                                          Yet Il'diot considers this qualification an exclusion of freedom of speech in our SA constitution

                                          That is because you are *intellectually dishonest!* How could someone who is a *fool* and a *liar* possibly have a constitution that was not imperfect?

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                                          Yes, how could +anyone+ interpret *this* as a reasonable right to _freedom_ of *expression*? 16. Freedom of expression 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression, which includes ­ 1. freedom of the press and other media; 2. freedom to receive or impart information or ideas; 3. freedom of artistic creativity; and 4. academic freedom and freedom of scientific research. 2. The right in subsection (1) does not extend to ­ 1. propaganda for war; 2. incitement of imminent violence; or 3. advocacy of hatred that is based on race, ethnicity, gender or religion, and that constitutes incitement to cause harm. I think >he< doesn't like 16.1.4.

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