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  • J James R Twine

    Somebody shoot me...    I would love to meet the people that come up with the material for these training courses, and spend 2 hours with them to show them what real harassment is all about. :)    One of my favorites - someone starts telling a joke, and from the opener you can tell that it could be racy.  Does the overly-sensitive employee leave the group knowing their limitations and that they might get offended?  Nope, that would be FAR too easy.  Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it.    Hey!  Here is a simple concept - how about sneaker-netting yourself out of the room next time and save everyone else the trouble? :)    Heh...  I love this Politically Correct, everyone's-feelings-matter-except-the-one-telling-the-joke stuff.  I really do.    Ahhh...  I feel better now...    Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff?  Or is it just me?    Peace!

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    James R. Twine wrote:

    Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it

    If they'd at least tell their concerns right there! Complaining anonymously at a higher-up office that cannot ignore the request is completely antisocial. We need that mechanism for serious cases, guys! That's like calling 911 because your milk went bad.

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    • J James R Twine

      Mimicking a foreign accent in a derogatory manner could
      contribute to a hostile work environment based on national
      origin.

      OK...  Is there a way to mimic an accent in a non-derogatory manner?    Peace!

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      James R. Twine wrote:

      Is there a way to mimic an accent in a non-derogatory manner?

      Of course. Actors do it all the time.

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      • J James R Twine

        Somebody shoot me...    I would love to meet the people that come up with the material for these training courses, and spend 2 hours with them to show them what real harassment is all about. :)    One of my favorites - someone starts telling a joke, and from the opener you can tell that it could be racy.  Does the overly-sensitive employee leave the group knowing their limitations and that they might get offended?  Nope, that would be FAR too easy.  Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it.    Hey!  Here is a simple concept - how about sneaker-netting yourself out of the room next time and save everyone else the trouble? :)    Heh...  I love this Politically Correct, everyone's-feelings-matter-except-the-one-telling-the-joke stuff.  I really do.    Ahhh...  I feel better now...    Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff?  Or is it just me?    Peace!

        -=- James
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        Dr Walt Fair PE
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        I recall one occurrence about 30 years ago at a major oil company where I worked. One week, everyday at lunch hour, a beautiful blond girl walked into an older engineer's office, closed the door and muffled laughter was heard for the next hour. At the end of the week, the engineer was called into a supervisor's office and severely reprimanded -- apparently the secretaries where offended by the goings-on. The older gentleman explained that the beautiful blond was his daughter, who happened to be in town for the week attending a conference down the street and they decided to visit over lunch, which his wife prepared and sent along. On another occasion, when my wife was traveling, I took all of my daughters and step-daughters and grand-daughters out to lunch one day. While in the restaurant, a woman who knew my wife was traveling saw me with 5 gorgeous women and complained that I was a lecherous old man, blah, blah. My "ladies" all played along and told her they didn't know I was married. I thought it was absolutely hilarious and suggested the the woman take a picture to show my wife when she returned.

        The PetroNerd

        Walt Fair, Jr. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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        • J James R Twine

          Somebody shoot me...    I would love to meet the people that come up with the material for these training courses, and spend 2 hours with them to show them what real harassment is all about. :)    One of my favorites - someone starts telling a joke, and from the opener you can tell that it could be racy.  Does the overly-sensitive employee leave the group knowing their limitations and that they might get offended?  Nope, that would be FAR too easy.  Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it.    Hey!  Here is a simple concept - how about sneaker-netting yourself out of the room next time and save everyone else the trouble? :)    Heh...  I love this Politically Correct, everyone's-feelings-matter-except-the-one-telling-the-joke stuff.  I really do.    Ahhh...  I feel better now...    Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff?  Or is it just me?    Peace!

          -=- James
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          Rama Krishna Vavilala
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          Hire John Simmons for 2 hours and let him teach the course, if you have Indians and French that will do it.

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          • X Xiangyang Liu

            An employee in my company broke her leg in her honeymoon. The manager said "they must had a lot of fun" to another employee. A third employee over-heard it and reported to HR. The manager was fired.

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            WTF?!? I'm shocked! Where you working? In concentration camp?!?

            The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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              WTF?!? I'm shocked! Where you working? In concentration camp?!?

              The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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              Vincent Curry
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              To be honest, being fired from a concentration camp wouldn't be that bad... (hmmmmm... am wondering if this message is PC...)

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                To be honest, being fired from a concentration camp wouldn't be that bad... (hmmmmm... am wondering if this message is PC...)

                Vincent www.pub-olympics.com

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                Dalek Dave
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                Hey, My grandfather died in a concentration camp! It's not funny! He fell from his machine gun tower! :)

                ------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop

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                  Hey, My grandfather died in a concentration camp! It's not funny! He fell from his machine gun tower! :)

                  ------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop

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                  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Mine manage to escape from one...through the chimney, though.

                  The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                  • D Dr Walt Fair PE

                    I recall one occurrence about 30 years ago at a major oil company where I worked. One week, everyday at lunch hour, a beautiful blond girl walked into an older engineer's office, closed the door and muffled laughter was heard for the next hour. At the end of the week, the engineer was called into a supervisor's office and severely reprimanded -- apparently the secretaries where offended by the goings-on. The older gentleman explained that the beautiful blond was his daughter, who happened to be in town for the week attending a conference down the street and they decided to visit over lunch, which his wife prepared and sent along. On another occasion, when my wife was traveling, I took all of my daughters and step-daughters and grand-daughters out to lunch one day. While in the restaurant, a woman who knew my wife was traveling saw me with 5 gorgeous women and complained that I was a lecherous old man, blah, blah. My "ladies" all played along and told her they didn't know I was married. I thought it was absolutely hilarious and suggested the the woman take a picture to show my wife when she returned.

                    The PetroNerd

                    Walt Fair, Jr. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                    Richard Jones
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                    She knew your wife, but didn't know you had daughters, etc. I doubt she'll learn her lesson.

                    Cheetah. Ferret. Gonads. What more can I say? - Pete O'Hanlon

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                    • J James R Twine

                      Tim Carmichael wrote:

                      If you don't like the environment - leave.

                      Exactly!  Do not complain, or bring suit.  Keep it to yourself, and get out.    Peace!

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                      Richard Jones
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                      James R. Twine wrote:

                      Tim Carmichael wrote: If you don't like the environment - leave. Exactly! Do not complain, or bring suit. Keep it to yourself, and get out.

                      This concept could totally change the face of smoking in the workplace. Don't like the smoke, keep it to yourself and get out!

                      Cheetah. Ferret. Gonads. What more can I say? - Pete O'Hanlon

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                      • D Dr Walt Fair PE

                        I recall one occurrence about 30 years ago at a major oil company where I worked. One week, everyday at lunch hour, a beautiful blond girl walked into an older engineer's office, closed the door and muffled laughter was heard for the next hour. At the end of the week, the engineer was called into a supervisor's office and severely reprimanded -- apparently the secretaries where offended by the goings-on. The older gentleman explained that the beautiful blond was his daughter, who happened to be in town for the week attending a conference down the street and they decided to visit over lunch, which his wife prepared and sent along. On another occasion, when my wife was traveling, I took all of my daughters and step-daughters and grand-daughters out to lunch one day. While in the restaurant, a woman who knew my wife was traveling saw me with 5 gorgeous women and complained that I was a lecherous old man, blah, blah. My "ladies" all played along and told her they didn't know I was married. I thought it was absolutely hilarious and suggested the the woman take a picture to show my wife when she returned.

                        The PetroNerd

                        Walt Fair, Jr. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                        James R Twine
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                        Walt Fair, Jr. wrote:

                        I recall one occurrence about 30 years ago at a major oil company where I worked. One week, everyday at lunch hour, a beautiful blond girl walked into an older engineer's office, closed the door and muffled laughter was heard for the next hour. At the end of the week, the engineer was called into a supervisor's office and severely reprimanded -- apparently the secretaries where offended by the goings-on. The older gentleman explained that the beautiful blond was his daughter, who happened to be in town for the week attending a conference down the street and they decided to visit over lunch, which his wife prepared and sent along.

                        That is the biggest problem I have with this whole "offended" crap.  It does not have to have any basis in reality or common sense.  These secretaries were offended about something that was not even happening!    They should have been offended about being too damn shallow to come up with a better reason and decided to keep it to themselves.  Or maybe even think that if someone was going to be engaging in any fooling-around, they would not be doing it in their office at lunchtime!    Peace!

                        -=- James
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                        • R Richard Jones

                          She knew your wife, but didn't know you had daughters, etc. I doubt she'll learn her lesson.

                          Cheetah. Ferret. Gonads. What more can I say? - Pete O'Hanlon

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                          Dr Walt Fair PE
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                          Oh, she knew we had daughters, but they are all grown, so she had never met them. Any way, in my experience, people who worry about other people's lives and have time to spend getting offended , generally have other issues and rarely learn. I guess she figured our daughters were as ugly as me, not gorgeous like my wife .... :laugh:

                          The PetroNerd

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                          • J James R Twine

                            About touching...

                            Before you touch someone, ask yourself:
                            Is it possible that someone might see the physical contact and be offended?

                            What? **_SEE_** THE PHYSICAL CONTACT AND BE OFFENDED?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!  Just observe it and be offended?!    I need to get off this human race train...! :) [edit]    I shudder to think what could happen if my wife and kids visit and I happen giving them a hug or, God Forbid, give my wife a kiss, and BE SEEN DOING IT!!!    Peace!

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                            Steve Mayfield
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                            I guess shaking hands is going out the door...

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                            • J James R Twine

                              Somebody shoot me...    I would love to meet the people that come up with the material for these training courses, and spend 2 hours with them to show them what real harassment is all about. :)    One of my favorites - someone starts telling a joke, and from the opener you can tell that it could be racy.  Does the overly-sensitive employee leave the group knowing their limitations and that they might get offended?  Nope, that would be FAR too easy.  Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it.    Hey!  Here is a simple concept - how about sneaker-netting yourself out of the room next time and save everyone else the trouble? :)    Heh...  I love this Politically Correct, everyone's-feelings-matter-except-the-one-telling-the-joke stuff.  I really do.    Ahhh...  I feel better now...    Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff?  Or is it just me?    Peace!

                              -=- James
                              Please rate this message - let me know if I helped or not! * * * If you think it costs a lot to do it right, just wait until you find out how much it costs to do it wrong!
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                              Lost User
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                              I went on one of those then realised it was about prevention :-O Seriously, a good course is very useful (esp. if you manage people) but bad ones wreck the workplace.

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                                James R. Twine wrote:

                                I deeply offended and am going to report you

                                What for a bad sense of humour? Where would we be without humour? Answer: Germany! :-D

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                                peterchen
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                                You are on The List now. :suss:

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                                  James R. Twine wrote:

                                  Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff?

                                  Yup, I agree....But unfortunately, I can't really say what I really think here in case I offend someone. Best saved for the soap box. What's the difference between women and....oh no...hang on.....women won't like that....what's the biggest cause of.....oh.....not that one either....An English man, an.....nope, racist...A dyslexic man walks into....Dammit all the best jokes are offensive.

                                  Simon

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                                  peterchen
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                                  Use a otherwise nondescript white male, they cannot be offended.

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                                  • J James R Twine

                                    Somebody shoot me...    I would love to meet the people that come up with the material for these training courses, and spend 2 hours with them to show them what real harassment is all about. :)    One of my favorites - someone starts telling a joke, and from the opener you can tell that it could be racy.  Does the overly-sensitive employee leave the group knowing their limitations and that they might get offended?  Nope, that would be FAR too easy.  Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it.    Hey!  Here is a simple concept - how about sneaker-netting yourself out of the room next time and save everyone else the trouble? :)    Heh...  I love this Politically Correct, everyone's-feelings-matter-except-the-one-telling-the-joke stuff.  I really do.    Ahhh...  I feel better now...    Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff?  Or is it just me?    Peace!

                                    -=- James
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                                    Steve Mayfield
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                                    Getting ready for first day of work: 1. Apply gag so you can't offend anyone by speaking to them 2. Apply straight jacket so you can't offend anyone by touching them 3. Apply blindfold so you can't offend anyone by looking at them 4. Apply earmuffs so you won't be offended by any noise in the workplace 5. Hook up to independent breathing apparatus so you won't be offended by any workplace smell :sigh:

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                                    • J James R Twine

                                      Somebody shoot me...    I would love to meet the people that come up with the material for these training courses, and spend 2 hours with them to show them what real harassment is all about. :)    One of my favorites - someone starts telling a joke, and from the opener you can tell that it could be racy.  Does the overly-sensitive employee leave the group knowing their limitations and that they might get offended?  Nope, that would be FAR too easy.  Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it.    Hey!  Here is a simple concept - how about sneaker-netting yourself out of the room next time and save everyone else the trouble? :)    Heh...  I love this Politically Correct, everyone's-feelings-matter-except-the-one-telling-the-joke stuff.  I really do.    Ahhh...  I feel better now...    Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff?  Or is it just me?    Peace!

                                      -=- James
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                                      cpkilekofp
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                                      Actually, I like the solution posed by one individual I heard, at a party in the late '90s, ask: "Before I tell this, does anyone get offended easily by ethnic jokes?" If you don't answer yes, you've conspired to entrap someone.

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                                      • J James R Twine

                                        Somebody shoot me...    I would love to meet the people that come up with the material for these training courses, and spend 2 hours with them to show them what real harassment is all about. :)    One of my favorites - someone starts telling a joke, and from the opener you can tell that it could be racy.  Does the overly-sensitive employee leave the group knowing their limitations and that they might get offended?  Nope, that would be FAR too easy.  Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it.    Hey!  Here is a simple concept - how about sneaker-netting yourself out of the room next time and save everyone else the trouble? :)    Heh...  I love this Politically Correct, everyone's-feelings-matter-except-the-one-telling-the-joke stuff.  I really do.    Ahhh...  I feel better now...    Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff?  Or is it just me?    Peace!

                                        -=- James
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                                        Snowman58
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                                        My favorite was the sign behind one of the corporate sect's desk that read: "Sexual harassment will not be tolerated, but it will be rated on a scale of 1 to 10"

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                                        • J James R Twine

                                          Mimicking a foreign accent in a derogatory manner could
                                          contribute to a hostile work environment based on national
                                          origin.

                                          OK...  Is there a way to mimic an accent in a non-derogatory manner?    Peace!

                                          -=- James
                                          Please rate this message - let me know if I helped or not! * * * If you think it costs a lot to do it right, just wait until you find out how much it costs to do it wrong!
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                                          Joan M
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                                          But... James... I tend to destroy the accent (of course in a non derogatory manner), the grammatical laws (also not in a derogatory manner) and the language itself (not in a derogatory manner) translating jokes directly from a mixture of Catalan and Spanish (for that one I can't defend myself... I do that in a derogatory manner) and by now I've got lots of feedback telling me that it is almost impossible to understand a thing, but never I've found hostile behaviour on someone here... (also no :bob:pian has gone to speak with my HR department)... Now being serious: "people is becoming mad... I suppose that it is fruit of too much spare time or something similar...". :rose:

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