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  • J James R Twine

    Somebody shoot me...    I would love to meet the people that come up with the material for these training courses, and spend 2 hours with them to show them what real harassment is all about. :)    One of my favorites - someone starts telling a joke, and from the opener you can tell that it could be racy.  Does the overly-sensitive employee leave the group knowing their limitations and that they might get offended?  Nope, that would be FAR too easy.  Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it.    Hey!  Here is a simple concept - how about sneaker-netting yourself out of the room next time and save everyone else the trouble? :)    Heh...  I love this Politically Correct, everyone's-feelings-matter-except-the-one-telling-the-joke stuff.  I really do.    Ahhh...  I feel better now...    Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff?  Or is it just me?    Peace!

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    R Giskard Reventlov
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    It's all complete bollocks: people are not easily offended: they're easily driven to a lawsuit.

    me, me, me

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    • J James R Twine

      Somebody shoot me...    I would love to meet the people that come up with the material for these training courses, and spend 2 hours with them to show them what real harassment is all about. :)    One of my favorites - someone starts telling a joke, and from the opener you can tell that it could be racy.  Does the overly-sensitive employee leave the group knowing their limitations and that they might get offended?  Nope, that would be FAR too easy.  Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it.    Hey!  Here is a simple concept - how about sneaker-netting yourself out of the room next time and save everyone else the trouble? :)    Heh...  I love this Politically Correct, everyone's-feelings-matter-except-the-one-telling-the-joke stuff.  I really do.    Ahhh...  I feel better now...    Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff?  Or is it just me?    Peace!

      -=- James
      Please rate this message - let me know if I helped or not! * * * If you think it costs a lot to do it right, just wait until you find out how much it costs to do it wrong!
      Remember that Professional Driver on Closed Course does not mean your Dumb Ass on a Public Road!
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      Tim Carmichael
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      Well, since you opened the door and invited comments, here are mine. You are paid to work, not tell jokes that may offend people. What you find mild and humourous may very well be offensive to other people. If you don't like the environment - leave. Tim

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      • D Dalek Dave

        Eh yup. Thar Phannon as become yon southern bastard! :laugh:

        ------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop

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        phannon86
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        Can't find a good chippy down 'ere, <peterKay>Has thy nowt moist?!</peterKay>

        He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man

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        • J James R Twine

          Somebody shoot me...    I would love to meet the people that come up with the material for these training courses, and spend 2 hours with them to show them what real harassment is all about. :)    One of my favorites - someone starts telling a joke, and from the opener you can tell that it could be racy.  Does the overly-sensitive employee leave the group knowing their limitations and that they might get offended?  Nope, that would be FAR too easy.  Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it.    Hey!  Here is a simple concept - how about sneaker-netting yourself out of the room next time and save everyone else the trouble? :)    Heh...  I love this Politically Correct, everyone's-feelings-matter-except-the-one-telling-the-joke stuff.  I really do.    Ahhh...  I feel better now...    Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff?  Or is it just me?    Peace!

          -=- James
          Please rate this message - let me know if I helped or not! * * * If you think it costs a lot to do it right, just wait until you find out how much it costs to do it wrong!
          Remember that Professional Driver on Closed Course does not mean your Dumb Ass on a Public Road!
          See DeleteFXPFiles

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          BadKarma
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          To see where the PC train is taking us, you might want to read an essay by Douglas Hofstadter A Person Paper on Purity in Language [^].

          Learn from the mistakes of others, you may not live long enough to make them all yourself.

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          • P phannon86

            Can't find a good chippy down 'ere, <peterKay>Has thy nowt moist?!</peterKay>

            He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man

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            Dalek Dave
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            I presume you mean Food, not Carpenter! :)

            ------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop

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            • T Tim Carmichael

              Well, since you opened the door and invited comments, here are mine. You are paid to work, not tell jokes that may offend people. What you find mild and humourous may very well be offensive to other people. If you don't like the environment - leave. Tim

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              James R Twine
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              Tim Carmichael wrote:

              If you don't like the environment - leave.

              Exactly!  Do not complain, or bring suit.  Keep it to yourself, and get out.    Peace!

              -=- James
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              • D Dalek Dave

                I presume you mean Food, not Carpenter! :)

                ------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop

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                phannon86
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                Indeed, I have no use for either a moist carpenter or his soggy wood.

                He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man

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                • P phannon86

                  Indeed, I have no use for either a moist carpenter or his soggy wood.

                  He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man

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                  Dalek Dave
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                  Phannon wrote:

                  soggy wood

                  Euphemism?

                  ------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop

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                    Phannon wrote:

                    soggy wood

                    Euphemism?

                    ------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop

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                    phannon86
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                    I had no intention for it to sound that way, although I realised what I had typed pretty quickly. I left it in for the comedy value :)

                    He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man

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                    • J James R Twine

                      Somebody shoot me...    I would love to meet the people that come up with the material for these training courses, and spend 2 hours with them to show them what real harassment is all about. :)    One of my favorites - someone starts telling a joke, and from the opener you can tell that it could be racy.  Does the overly-sensitive employee leave the group knowing their limitations and that they might get offended?  Nope, that would be FAR too easy.  Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it.    Hey!  Here is a simple concept - how about sneaker-netting yourself out of the room next time and save everyone else the trouble? :)    Heh...  I love this Politically Correct, everyone's-feelings-matter-except-the-one-telling-the-joke stuff.  I really do.    Ahhh...  I feel better now...    Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff?  Or is it just me?    Peace!

                      -=- James
                      Please rate this message - let me know if I helped or not! * * * If you think it costs a lot to do it right, just wait until you find out how much it costs to do it wrong!
                      Remember that Professional Driver on Closed Course does not mean your Dumb Ass on a Public Road!
                      See DeleteFXPFiles

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                      peterchen
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                      James R. Twine wrote:

                      Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it

                      If they'd at least tell their concerns right there! Complaining anonymously at a higher-up office that cannot ignore the request is completely antisocial. We need that mechanism for serious cases, guys! That's like calling 911 because your milk went bad.

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                      • J James R Twine

                        Mimicking a foreign accent in a derogatory manner could
                        contribute to a hostile work environment based on national
                        origin.

                        OK...  Is there a way to mimic an accent in a non-derogatory manner?    Peace!

                        -=- James
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                        See DeleteFXPFiles

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                        Oakman
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                        James R. Twine wrote:

                        Is there a way to mimic an accent in a non-derogatory manner?

                        Of course. Actors do it all the time.

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                        • J James R Twine

                          Somebody shoot me...    I would love to meet the people that come up with the material for these training courses, and spend 2 hours with them to show them what real harassment is all about. :)    One of my favorites - someone starts telling a joke, and from the opener you can tell that it could be racy.  Does the overly-sensitive employee leave the group knowing their limitations and that they might get offended?  Nope, that would be FAR too easy.  Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it.    Hey!  Here is a simple concept - how about sneaker-netting yourself out of the room next time and save everyone else the trouble? :)    Heh...  I love this Politically Correct, everyone's-feelings-matter-except-the-one-telling-the-joke stuff.  I really do.    Ahhh...  I feel better now...    Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff?  Or is it just me?    Peace!

                          -=- James
                          Please rate this message - let me know if I helped or not! * * * If you think it costs a lot to do it right, just wait until you find out how much it costs to do it wrong!
                          Remember that Professional Driver on Closed Course does not mean your Dumb Ass on a Public Road!
                          See DeleteFXPFiles

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                          Dr Walt Fair PE
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                          I recall one occurrence about 30 years ago at a major oil company where I worked. One week, everyday at lunch hour, a beautiful blond girl walked into an older engineer's office, closed the door and muffled laughter was heard for the next hour. At the end of the week, the engineer was called into a supervisor's office and severely reprimanded -- apparently the secretaries where offended by the goings-on. The older gentleman explained that the beautiful blond was his daughter, who happened to be in town for the week attending a conference down the street and they decided to visit over lunch, which his wife prepared and sent along. On another occasion, when my wife was traveling, I took all of my daughters and step-daughters and grand-daughters out to lunch one day. While in the restaurant, a woman who knew my wife was traveling saw me with 5 gorgeous women and complained that I was a lecherous old man, blah, blah. My "ladies" all played along and told her they didn't know I was married. I thought it was absolutely hilarious and suggested the the woman take a picture to show my wife when she returned.

                          The PetroNerd

                          Walt Fair, Jr. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                          • J James R Twine

                            Somebody shoot me...    I would love to meet the people that come up with the material for these training courses, and spend 2 hours with them to show them what real harassment is all about. :)    One of my favorites - someone starts telling a joke, and from the opener you can tell that it could be racy.  Does the overly-sensitive employee leave the group knowing their limitations and that they might get offended?  Nope, that would be FAR too easy.  Instead, they do the logical thing, of course -- they hang around, listen to the entire joke, laugh with everyone else, and then run to HR to complain about it.    Hey!  Here is a simple concept - how about sneaker-netting yourself out of the room next time and save everyone else the trouble? :)    Heh...  I love this Politically Correct, everyone's-feelings-matter-except-the-one-telling-the-joke stuff.  I really do.    Ahhh...  I feel better now...    Anyone else feel the same about all this PC stuff?  Or is it just me?    Peace!

                            -=- James
                            Please rate this message - let me know if I helped or not! * * * If you think it costs a lot to do it right, just wait until you find out how much it costs to do it wrong!
                            Remember that Professional Driver on Closed Course does not mean your Dumb Ass on a Public Road!
                            See DeleteFXPFiles

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                            Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                            Hire John Simmons for 2 hours and let him teach the course, if you have Indians and French that will do it.

                            Proud to be a CPHog user

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                            • X Xiangyang Liu

                              An employee in my company broke her leg in her honeymoon. The manager said "they must had a lot of fun" to another employee. A third employee over-heard it and reported to HR. The manager was fired.

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                              Single Step Debugger
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                              WTF?!? I'm shocked! Where you working? In concentration camp?!?

                              The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                                WTF?!? I'm shocked! Where you working? In concentration camp?!?

                                The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                                Vincent Curry
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                                To be honest, being fired from a concentration camp wouldn't be that bad... (hmmmmm... am wondering if this message is PC...)

                                Vincent www.pub-olympics.com

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                                  To be honest, being fired from a concentration camp wouldn't be that bad... (hmmmmm... am wondering if this message is PC...)

                                  Vincent www.pub-olympics.com

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                                  Dalek Dave
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                                  Hey, My grandfather died in a concentration camp! It's not funny! He fell from his machine gun tower! :)

                                  ------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop

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                                    Hey, My grandfather died in a concentration camp! It's not funny! He fell from his machine gun tower! :)

                                    ------------------------------------ We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. - Aesop

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                                    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Mine manage to escape from one...through the chimney, though.

                                    The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                                    • D Dr Walt Fair PE

                                      I recall one occurrence about 30 years ago at a major oil company where I worked. One week, everyday at lunch hour, a beautiful blond girl walked into an older engineer's office, closed the door and muffled laughter was heard for the next hour. At the end of the week, the engineer was called into a supervisor's office and severely reprimanded -- apparently the secretaries where offended by the goings-on. The older gentleman explained that the beautiful blond was his daughter, who happened to be in town for the week attending a conference down the street and they decided to visit over lunch, which his wife prepared and sent along. On another occasion, when my wife was traveling, I took all of my daughters and step-daughters and grand-daughters out to lunch one day. While in the restaurant, a woman who knew my wife was traveling saw me with 5 gorgeous women and complained that I was a lecherous old man, blah, blah. My "ladies" all played along and told her they didn't know I was married. I thought it was absolutely hilarious and suggested the the woman take a picture to show my wife when she returned.

                                      The PetroNerd

                                      Walt Fair, Jr. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                                      Richard Jones
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                                      She knew your wife, but didn't know you had daughters, etc. I doubt she'll learn her lesson.

                                      Cheetah. Ferret. Gonads. What more can I say? - Pete O'Hanlon

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                                      • J James R Twine

                                        Tim Carmichael wrote:

                                        If you don't like the environment - leave.

                                        Exactly!  Do not complain, or bring suit.  Keep it to yourself, and get out.    Peace!

                                        -=- James
                                        Please rate this message - let me know if I helped or not! * * * If you think it costs a lot to do it right, just wait until you find out how much it costs to do it wrong!
                                        Remember that Professional Driver on Closed Course does not mean your Dumb Ass on a Public Road!
                                        See DeleteFXPFiles

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                                        Richard Jones
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                                        James R. Twine wrote:

                                        Tim Carmichael wrote: If you don't like the environment - leave. Exactly! Do not complain, or bring suit. Keep it to yourself, and get out.

                                        This concept could totally change the face of smoking in the workplace. Don't like the smoke, keep it to yourself and get out!

                                        Cheetah. Ferret. Gonads. What more can I say? - Pete O'Hanlon

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                                        • D Dr Walt Fair PE

                                          I recall one occurrence about 30 years ago at a major oil company where I worked. One week, everyday at lunch hour, a beautiful blond girl walked into an older engineer's office, closed the door and muffled laughter was heard for the next hour. At the end of the week, the engineer was called into a supervisor's office and severely reprimanded -- apparently the secretaries where offended by the goings-on. The older gentleman explained that the beautiful blond was his daughter, who happened to be in town for the week attending a conference down the street and they decided to visit over lunch, which his wife prepared and sent along. On another occasion, when my wife was traveling, I took all of my daughters and step-daughters and grand-daughters out to lunch one day. While in the restaurant, a woman who knew my wife was traveling saw me with 5 gorgeous women and complained that I was a lecherous old man, blah, blah. My "ladies" all played along and told her they didn't know I was married. I thought it was absolutely hilarious and suggested the the woman take a picture to show my wife when she returned.

                                          The PetroNerd

                                          Walt Fair, Jr. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                                          James R Twine
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                                          Walt Fair, Jr. wrote:

                                          I recall one occurrence about 30 years ago at a major oil company where I worked. One week, everyday at lunch hour, a beautiful blond girl walked into an older engineer's office, closed the door and muffled laughter was heard for the next hour. At the end of the week, the engineer was called into a supervisor's office and severely reprimanded -- apparently the secretaries where offended by the goings-on. The older gentleman explained that the beautiful blond was his daughter, who happened to be in town for the week attending a conference down the street and they decided to visit over lunch, which his wife prepared and sent along.

                                          That is the biggest problem I have with this whole "offended" crap.  It does not have to have any basis in reality or common sense.  These secretaries were offended about something that was not even happening!    They should have been offended about being too damn shallow to come up with a better reason and decided to keep it to themselves.  Or maybe even think that if someone was going to be engaging in any fooling-around, they would not be doing it in their office at lunchtime!    Peace!

                                          -=- James
                                          Please rate this message - let me know if I helped or not! * * * If you think it costs a lot to do it right, just wait until you find out how much it costs to do it wrong!
                                          Remember that Professional Driver on Closed Course does not mean your Dumb Ass on a Public Road!
                                          See DeleteFXPFiles

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