Had Enough "Change" Yet?
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so is providing free education to the "general public" let them pay for it with their labor.
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Oakman wrote:
so is providing free education to the "general public" let them pay for it with their labor.
Ummmm... no. It's not free - it is paid for by my taxes.
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Ilíon wrote:
Then ask yourself: "What in the hell am I thinking when I keep voting for these morons?"
I'm thinking about those other morons.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Ummmm... no. It's not free - it is paid for by my taxes.
Yes, your taxes - not necessarily the taxes of the parents of the kids in the school.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Much like Social Security, MediCare, MedicAid
Which of those do you consider unearned?
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I never said anything was "unearned" but all 3 routinely "pay out" to some individuals who have contributed little or nothing. Sadly - its just part of the deal. I knew a young woman (now dead) who never held a job in her life. At age 22 started collecting SS due to her drug addictions. She collected for approx 12 years before her death (killed during a B&E).
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I love when you reply to me multiple times. It tells me that 1 - my replies get under your skin 2 - you're too stupid to know how to edit a post. I send money through charities to people who deserve help. Which is something else I believe Jesus encouraged.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
Christian Graus wrote:
I love when you reply to me multiple times. It tells me that 1 - my replies get under your skin 2 - you're too stupid to know how to edit a post.
1 - you're so stupid 2 - you're so stupid
Christian Graus wrote:
I send money through charities to people who deserve help. Which is something else I believe Jesus encouraged.
So? And la-dee-da! Give me "your" money.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Ignoring the 'confiscating other's time and wealth' part ( although I note that the early church shared their wealth in a most communist manner ), what do you mean, 'under pain of death' ? You think it's wrong for people to be encouraged to help one another, or you claim that people who refuse are going to be shot ?
There is a huge difference between the early church and communism. You can't possibly think they were similar at all. Yes, they (early Christians) shared wealth, but out of love for one another. Communism taxes, or outright takes money from people, to distribute to whom the leaders see fit. Its also wrong to suggest that the early church emulated communism, when it pre-dated that philosophy by over a millennium. Communism may have borrowed from the church, but not the other way around. What you suggest is almost blasphemous. Its like attributing the gifts of the holy spirit to being from Satan instead.
"Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein
Jason Henderson
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I never said anything was "unearned" but all 3 routinely "pay out" to some individuals who have contributed little or nothing. Sadly - its just part of the deal. I knew a young woman (now dead) who never held a job in her life. At age 22 started collecting SS due to her drug addictions. She collected for approx 12 years before her death (killed during a B&E).
Mike Mullikin wrote:
At age 22 started collecting SS due to her drug addictions
Amazing. Are you sure she wasn't getting SSI? That's not the same thing and is indeed usually paid to people who didn't earn it. At any rate, I don't have much of a problem with the little darlings being asked to do a couple hours a week of service in return for their education whether their parents pay taxes or not.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Ignoring the 'confiscating other's time and wealth' part ( although I note that the early church shared their wealth in a most communist manner ), what do you mean, 'under pain of death' ? You think it's wrong for people to be encouraged to help one another, or you claim that people who refuse are going to be shot ?
There is a huge difference between the early church and communism. You can't possibly think they were similar at all. Yes, they (early Christians) shared wealth, but out of love for one another. Communism taxes, or outright takes money from people, to distribute to whom the leaders see fit. Its also wrong to suggest that the early church emulated communism, when it pre-dated that philosophy by over a millennium. Communism may have borrowed from the church, but not the other way around. What you suggest is almost blasphemous. Its like attributing the gifts of the holy spirit to being from Satan instead.
"Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein
Jason Henderson
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but whenever I suggest that it's good to help others, Ilion calls me a socialist. I'm just playing by his rules. And, the core idea of communism, as opposed to the pretend communism practiced by the USSR, is actually not that different in theory from what the church did. I'm no advocate of socialism or communism. Ilion just thinks I am because I support the ideals of Christ. I was just messing with him, because he deserves it, I'm sorry that I left myself open for misinterpretation.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
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Ilíon wrote:
under pain of death
drama queen
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He said it, I just restated it....
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I love when you reply to me multiple times. It tells me that 1 - my replies get under your skin 2 - you're too stupid to know how to edit a post.
1 - you're so stupid 2 - you're so stupid
Christian Graus wrote:
I send money through charities to people who deserve help. Which is something else I believe Jesus encouraged.
So? And la-dee-da! Give me "your" money.
Ilíon wrote:
So? And la-dee-da!
So, I do give my money away, but not to liars and morons who don't deserve or need my help. And, once again, I act in a way that emulates Christ, which means it's against your ideals.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
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Jason Henderson wrote:
What you suggest is almost blasphemous. Its like attributing the gifts of the holy spirit to being from Satan instead.
The man has confused his socialism for Christianity.
You confuse Christianity with socialism, because you are at enmity with Christ. You are horrified that I like to offer my help to others freely, and brand it something it is not.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Programs to help people are fascist ?
Forcing the general public to perform "community service" is retarded.
It depends. Forcing welfare recipients to perform community service is a great idea. Providing programs that encourage others to help, is also good. Forcing everyone to do community service, even people who work, is probably retarded.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
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It depends. Forcing welfare recipients to perform community service is a great idea. Providing programs that encourage others to help, is also good. Forcing everyone to do community service, even people who work, is probably retarded.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
Christian Graus wrote:
Forcing welfare recipients to perform community service is a great idea.
Absolutely!
Christian Graus wrote:
Providing programs that encourage others to help, is also good.
Agreed
Christian Graus wrote:
Forcing everyone to do community service, even people who work, is probably retarded.
Thats what I read.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
At age 22 started collecting SS due to her drug addictions
Amazing. Are you sure she wasn't getting SSI? That's not the same thing and is indeed usually paid to people who didn't earn it. At any rate, I don't have much of a problem with the little darlings being asked to do a couple hours a week of service in return for their education whether their parents pay taxes or not.
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Oakman wrote:
I don't have much of a problem with the little darlings being asked to do a couple hours a week of service in return for their education whether their parents pay taxes or not.
I do. I bust my ass to provide for my family. I make good money and what's my reward? Paying full tuition (x2 kids) at a state university while others who pay less in taxes get free or reduced tuition. I'm fucking tired of paying my share plus the share of others. Let me pick my charities - don't force them down my neck. And don't treat my "little darlings" like beggars when I'm more than paying my share.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but whenever I suggest that it's good to help others, Ilion calls me a socialist. I'm just playing by his rules. And, the core idea of communism, as opposed to the pretend communism practiced by the USSR, is actually not that different in theory from what the church did. I'm no advocate of socialism or communism. Ilion just thinks I am because I support the ideals of Christ. I was just messing with him, because he deserves it, I'm sorry that I left myself open for misinterpretation.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "Iam doing the browsing center project in vb.net using c# coding" - this is why I don't answer questions much anymore. Oh, and Microsoft doesn't want me to.
Thanks for clarifying.
Christian Graus wrote:
And, the core idea of communism, as opposed to the pretend communism practiced by the USSR, is actually not that different in theory from what the church did.
But it was destined to fail because there is no love and there is no God in communist philosophy.
"Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler." - Albert Einstein
Jason Henderson
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Oakman wrote:
I don't have much of a problem with the little darlings being asked to do a couple hours a week of service in return for their education whether their parents pay taxes or not.
I do. I bust my ass to provide for my family. I make good money and what's my reward? Paying full tuition (x2 kids) at a state university while others who pay less in taxes get free or reduced tuition. I'm fucking tired of paying my share plus the share of others. Let me pick my charities - don't force them down my neck. And don't treat my "little darlings" like beggars when I'm more than paying my share.
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I bet you oppose the draft as well?
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Oakman wrote:
I bet you oppose the draft as well?
You'd conditionally lose that bet. During times of war if the circumstances exceed the scope of our volunteer forces I have no problem with the draft. In countries (like Israel) where they need to maintain a defensive force larger than a volunteer army would supply I can certainly understand mandatory service. Neither situation is true (at the moment) in the US.
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Oakman wrote:
I bet you oppose the draft as well?
You'd conditionally lose that bet. During times of war if the circumstances exceed the scope of our volunteer forces I have no problem with the draft. In countries (like Israel) where they need to maintain a defensive force larger than a volunteer army would supply I can certainly understand mandatory service. Neither situation is true (at the moment) in the US.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Neither situation is true (at the moment) in the US.
I'd argue that for us to have fought two insurgencies without totally destroying the national guard's raison d'etre, the need appeared early in 2004. Of course, if Bush had restarted the draft, a lot of the chicken hawks would have seen their kids trying on a uniform and voted for Kerry.
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