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  • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

    I've recently realized that I'm lagging behind a bit in the technology game. I've been so quagmired with Work and School that I haven't had the time to teach myself something up to date. I've decided to amend that. Any suggestions? WPF & Silverlight are both on my list of must learns. I'm looking for things that are more and more in demand by the market.

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    If you're interested in web programming the new ASP.NET MVC architecture sure is purty. I would look into the following goop: C# Desktop application -> Web Service -> Business Layer -> Database Web Application (WebForms or MVC) -> Business Layer -> Database In this case the Business Layer and Database can be shared/reused by both UI's. That should keep you busy for a while :D

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      There a reason for that SAS (and SAP I believe) are one of the most convoluted and badly designed systems enterprise has ever been landed with.

      Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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      Mycroft Holmes wrote:

      badly designed systems enterprise has ever been landed with.

      paying $80 to $110 (USA) an hour for SAS talent. SAS has an IDE that looks very close to the first generation FORTRAN IDE's when they moved forward from the command prompt. That being said statisticians love SAS. I work with SAS programmers who use brief to edit code and PREFER THE COMMAND LINE. But SAS offers many utilities for statisticians to analyze large amounts of data "proc survey means" and it will be a player for quite a few years. ---NOTE--- When looking for SAS job, you don’t' apply like you are a "sas" programmer but rather you are an analyst in some subject matter universe (like morbidity and mortality). That being said we interviewed a lady just out of college who played with SAS for her thesis and we are willing to offer her $60k and we are cheap basturds.

      MrPlankton

      (bad guy)"Fear is a hammer, and when the people are beaten finally to the conviction that their existence hangs by a frayed thread, they will be led where they need to go."

      (good guy)"Which is where?"

      (bad guy)"To a responsible future in a properly managed world."
      Dean Koontz, The Good Guy

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        Mycroft Holmes wrote:

        badly designed systems enterprise has ever been landed with.

        paying $80 to $110 (USA) an hour for SAS talent. SAS has an IDE that looks very close to the first generation FORTRAN IDE's when they moved forward from the command prompt. That being said statisticians love SAS. I work with SAS programmers who use brief to edit code and PREFER THE COMMAND LINE. But SAS offers many utilities for statisticians to analyze large amounts of data "proc survey means" and it will be a player for quite a few years. ---NOTE--- When looking for SAS job, you don’t' apply like you are a "sas" programmer but rather you are an analyst in some subject matter universe (like morbidity and mortality). That being said we interviewed a lady just out of college who played with SAS for her thesis and we are willing to offer her $60k and we are cheap basturds.

        MrPlankton

        (bad guy)"Fear is a hammer, and when the people are beaten finally to the conviction that their existence hangs by a frayed thread, they will be led where they need to go."

        (good guy)"Which is where?"

        (bad guy)"To a responsible future in a properly managed world."
        Dean Koontz, The Good Guy

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        Oh I don't disagree that it pays well and there is an excellent market out there for talented SAS people. Having seen a good/excellent DBA struggle with SAS BI for 3 months to acheive some results which he then duplicated in 6 days using Oracle I question it's productivity. Even taking into account the fact that he was repeating the process the disparity was just too much. He did however state at the end that given the resources he could get more out of SAS than Oracle. The sticking point was the resources, SAS recommended 5 people to develop and support the requirements within the specified time frame. Oracle put forward 2 people (and they had lower rates).

        Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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        • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

          I've been reading and hearing about how SAS and SAP developers are in demand. I don't even know where to start learning that stuff, any ideas?

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          Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa Unix is a Four Letter Word, and Vi is a Two Letter Abbreviation "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" Ali Ibn Abi Talib

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          MrPlankton
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          We have an enterprise license so I go through the help files. I don't know what you do if you are on the outside. You would think that they would have some free tools to allow students to learn this stuff.

          MrPlankton

          (bad guy)"Fear is a hammer, and when the people are beaten finally to the conviction that their existence hangs by a frayed thread, they will be led where they need to go."

          (good guy)"Which is where?"

          (bad guy)"To a responsible future in a properly managed world."
          Dean Koontz, The Good Guy

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          • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

            I have no comments. You've not had to fix as much crap VB5-6 code as I had to. The horrors.

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            I am working in VB6. :( But yesterday I got a hint. I suggested making a new dll for encrypting data in VB6 and I was told: "Make it in .Net. We are migrating soon." :-D

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            • J John M Drescher

              Yes. If you have done MFC programming you will be amazed at how much functionality Qt has and how easy it is to build an application that will run on windows, mac and linux without code modifications.

              John

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              Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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              Thanks John, downloaded the OS version and I'll play with it when I get the chance :)

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                I am working in VB6. :( But yesterday I got a hint. I suggested making a new dll for encrypting data in VB6 and I was told: "Make it in .Net. We are migrating soon." :-D

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                Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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                d@nish wrote:

                I am working in VB6

                You have my sympathies. But I have to ask, what the heck are you working in this day and age that's being done in VB6?!!! Please tell me its legacy support and not something new...

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                  C. :)

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                  Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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                  Always a favorite, but the last time I used C out of academia was when I was working in telecommunications.

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                  • T ToddHileHoffer

                    I HATE Sharepoint programming. But it is a skill in demand. There little in the way of good documentation and examples, plus Sharepoint is buggy and debugging is brutal. You spend more time figuring out plumbing then you do writing code. I'm not sure if WPF and Silverlight are going to take off. I'm still waiting to see if that happens with them. Not everything MS pushes pans out like ASP.Net has.

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                    Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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                    ToddHileHoffer wrote:

                    I HATE Sharepoint programming

                    That makes 2 of us. I spent 6 months on that crap before a sprocket came loose and I started banging my head against the wall in frustration.

                    ToddHileHoffer wrote:

                    There little in the way of good documentation and examples

                    Nonexistent is more like it.

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                    • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                      Always a favorite, but the last time I used C out of academia was when I was working in telecommunications.

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                      Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

                      but the last time I used C

                      That is up to you (at least I hope :rolleyes: ). I use C (or C-like C++) almost everyday. :)

                      If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
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                      • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                        I've recently realized that I'm lagging behind a bit in the technology game. I've been so quagmired with Work and School that I haven't had the time to teach myself something up to date. I've decided to amend that. Any suggestions? WPF & Silverlight are both on my list of must learns. I'm looking for things that are more and more in demand by the market.

                        Don't forget to vote if the response was helpful


                        Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa Unix is a Four Letter Word, and Vi is a Two Letter Abbreviation "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" Ali Ibn Abi Talib

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                        • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                          I've been reading and hearing about how SAS and SAP developers are in demand. I don't even know where to start learning that stuff, any ideas?

                          Don't forget to vote if the response was helpful


                          Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa Unix is a Four Letter Word, and Vi is a Two Letter Abbreviation "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" Ali Ibn Abi Talib

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                          SAS seemed to be jolly expensive. You could learn R, R is free and seems to be regarded well. http://www.r-project.org/

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                            Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

                            but the last time I used C

                            That is up to you (at least I hope :rolleyes: ). I use C (or C-like C++) almost everyday. :)

                            If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
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                            Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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                            My average day consists of C++, C#, HTML and JavaScript and obviously lots and lots of SQL and T-SQL.

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                            • T Todd Smith

                              If you're interested in web programming the new ASP.NET MVC architecture sure is purty. I would look into the following goop: C# Desktop application -> Web Service -> Business Layer -> Database Web Application (WebForms or MVC) -> Business Layer -> Database In this case the Business Layer and Database can be shared/reused by both UI's. That should keep you busy for a while :D

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                              Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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                              Todd Smith wrote:

                              C# Desktop application -> Web Service -> Business Layer -> Database

                              Been doing that for some time now :)

                              Todd Smith wrote:

                              Web Application (WebForms or MVC) -> Business Layer -> Database

                              Need to change webforms to MVC, though to be honest (and potentially thick) from what I read I really couldn't see the gains

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                                Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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                                I actually downloaded what I needed for Ruby just the other day. Erlang I've already worked on (I worked for the Telecomm industry :)) I wouldn't know what to comment about WPF/Silverlight as I haven't started working on them. I gave WPF a quick whirl about a year ago but I was too busy with work to get deeper into it.

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                                  d@nish wrote:

                                  I am working in VB6

                                  You have my sympathies. But I have to ask, what the heck are you working in this day and age that's being done in VB6?!!! Please tell me its legacy support and not something new...

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                                  Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

                                  Please tell me its legacy support

                                  Yes. It is maintaining and doing some small enhancements in a legacy application. But somehow I have saved myself from learning VB6. I had to make a new dll and I was surprised that they asked me to make it in .Net. Finally they understood my pain.

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                                  • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                                    I've recently realized that I'm lagging behind a bit in the technology game. I've been so quagmired with Work and School that I haven't had the time to teach myself something up to date. I've decided to amend that. Any suggestions? WPF & Silverlight are both on my list of must learns. I'm looking for things that are more and more in demand by the market.

                                    Don't forget to vote if the response was helpful


                                    Sig history "dad" Ishmail-Samuel Mustafa Unix is a Four Letter Word, and Vi is a Two Letter Abbreviation "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance" Ali Ibn Abi Talib

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                                    Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

                                    Any suggestions?

                                    In the MS world BizTalk, SharePoint and Microsoft Dynamics stuff pay relatively big bucks. Not so easy to learn at home though plus I suspect most techies would find them dull.

                                    Kevin

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                                      How about clipper (nothing to do with sailing)

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                                      • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                                        I've recently realized that I'm lagging behind a bit in the technology game. I've been so quagmired with Work and School that I haven't had the time to teach myself something up to date. I've decided to amend that. Any suggestions? WPF & Silverlight are both on my list of must learns. I'm looking for things that are more and more in demand by the market.

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                                        Fabio Franco
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                                        I am in the same boat as you are. I just started college vacation, but work still demands a lot of time. I'm also planning on updating my skills, that includes WPF, WCF, Linq and other .NET 3.5 new features (which is beginning to grow old and I still haven't got the chance to grab it).

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                                          I am working in VB6. :( But yesterday I got a hint. I suggested making a new dll for encrypting data in VB6 and I was told: "Make it in .Net. We are migrating soon." :-D

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                                          cpkilekofp
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                                          Congratulations!!!! When I took my current job nearly five years ago, one of the incentives for me was that, although I would start with VB6, I was to move to .NET. Now I've been programming in VB.NET/ASP.NET for several years, though I still have to maintain a couple of legacy apps in VB6. (The horrors...)

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