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  • S Steve Dubyo

    How about a "spinner"? a hexagonal peice of card with something along the lines of a toothpick or small pencil through the middle (taking appropriate health and safety precautions!), each side represents a number 1-6, give it a spin and whichever side it comes to rest on dictates the next move. It will give her a bit more colouring in to do too!

    ;-]

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    Nagy Vilmos
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    Thanks, and the others, for the spinner sugestion. That was my plan B-II for v2.11.17 of the game. :-D


    Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.

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    • B Bassam Abdul Baki

      My four year old wants to play Monopoly all the time. He likes the money and the colors. For a change, we decided to play with 7 dies instead. Now we pass GO very quickly. :-)


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      Ah, another Donald Trump in the making :)

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      • N Nagy Vilmos

        It's not my homework and it's nothing to do with computers. I just need an idea and I need it in the next four hours! My eldest daughter is making a game for a school project. We've done most of it (actually I did the layout for her and she coloured it in). We've made lots of pretty counters and we know how the game will work. Even my three year old monster-angel (tm) understands. Now for the problem... We've been using dice, but (i) I'm not overly happy about it and (ii) I don't want her take the few dice we have to school and loose them. I thought I could find a few dice in one of the shops. Not on your Aunt Nelly's Life! So any ideas guys? Something a six year-old can make and use that will allow a bit of chance in travelling around what is basically a simple maze.


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        Gary Wheeler
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        Use 6 pennies. Have the kids shake them in a cup, and pour them on a table. Count the number of heads.

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        • S Steve Dubyo

          How about a "spinner"? a hexagonal peice of card with something along the lines of a toothpick or small pencil through the middle (taking appropriate health and safety precautions!), each side represents a number 1-6, give it a spin and whichever side it comes to rest on dictates the next move. It will give her a bit more colouring in to do too!

          ;-]

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          Steve Thresher
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          How did you come up with that idea I wonder?

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          • G Gary Wheeler

            Use 6 pennies. Have the kids shake them in a cup, and pour them on a table. Count the number of heads.

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            Nagy Vilmos
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            Now that I like!


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            • S Steve Thresher

              How did you come up with that idea I wonder?

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              Steve Dubyo
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              Hah! Yes I see we suggested the same thing, I didn't refresh before I posted my reply. Great minds and all that! ;-]

              ;-]

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              • N Nagy Vilmos

                It's not my homework and it's nothing to do with computers. I just need an idea and I need it in the next four hours! My eldest daughter is making a game for a school project. We've done most of it (actually I did the layout for her and she coloured it in). We've made lots of pretty counters and we know how the game will work. Even my three year old monster-angel (tm) understands. Now for the problem... We've been using dice, but (i) I'm not overly happy about it and (ii) I don't want her take the few dice we have to school and loose them. I thought I could find a few dice in one of the shops. Not on your Aunt Nelly's Life! So any ideas guys? Something a six year-old can make and use that will allow a bit of chance in travelling around what is basically a simple maze.


                Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.

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                carbon_golem
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                Here's a youtube vid on making them out of folded paper, but the pennies idea is good too. Hope there aren't any other greedy kids... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWAIFCraUvo I'm sure you could find other die types if your game required, say, a dodecahedron (12 sided die, but that's only used for rolling damage on a Greataxe). By the way, you don't have to make excuses for needing a D&D fix, and your wife threw out all your dice. I came "out of the dungeon" some years ago. It's liberating to say out loud "I'm a Dungeon Master and I'm fine with that!" or "I enjoy playing my level 16 half-elf ranger!" Wait... I think my wife is coming upstairs... gotta go. Hope that helps! Scott P

                "Simplicity carried to the extreme becomes elegance."
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                • G Gary Wheeler

                  Use 6 pennies. Have the kids shake them in a cup, and pour them on a table. Count the number of heads.

                  Software Zen: delete this;

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                  Mike Holpuch
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                  It's been a while since I did any statistics, but does 6 pennies in a cup provide an even distribution? :^) I thought it would lean more heavily towards the middle numbers (3 and 4 or whatever). Of course, this is a kids' game, so it might not matter...

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                  • M Mike Holpuch

                    It's been a while since I did any statistics, but does 6 pennies in a cup provide an even distribution? :^) I thought it would lean more heavily towards the middle numbers (3 and 4 or whatever). Of course, this is a kids' game, so it might not matter...

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                    moon_stick
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                    There are more solutions in the problem space that provide a central result (e.g. only one zero and one 6 - hhhhhh and tttttt) whereas you'll have around 1/3 of your distribution around '3' and about 1/4 for each of '2' and '4'.

                    It definitely isn't definatley

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                    • M Mike Holpuch

                      It's been a while since I did any statistics, but does 6 pennies in a cup provide an even distribution? :^) I thought it would lean more heavily towards the middle numbers (3 and 4 or whatever). Of course, this is a kids' game, so it might not matter...

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                      I believe 6 pennies matches the behavior of a single die, at least sufficiently for the purposes of a kid's game.

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                      • N Nagy Vilmos

                        It's not my homework and it's nothing to do with computers. I just need an idea and I need it in the next four hours! My eldest daughter is making a game for a school project. We've done most of it (actually I did the layout for her and she coloured it in). We've made lots of pretty counters and we know how the game will work. Even my three year old monster-angel (tm) understands. Now for the problem... We've been using dice, but (i) I'm not overly happy about it and (ii) I don't want her take the few dice we have to school and loose them. I thought I could find a few dice in one of the shops. Not on your Aunt Nelly's Life! So any ideas guys? Something a six year-old can make and use that will allow a bit of chance in travelling around what is basically a simple maze.


                        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.

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                        thrakazog
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                        Find yourself a D&D/ board game shop. Those usually have bins of loose dice you can buy dirt cheap. Send her to school with 20. If she comes back with 3 call it a win.

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                        • G Gary Wheeler

                          Use 6 pennies. Have the kids shake them in a cup, and pour them on a table. Count the number of heads.

                          Software Zen: delete this;

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                          Babant
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                          I understand the problem right, we need to find a substitute for throwing a dice. Probability of getting each one number on a dice is 1/6 ... one out of six ... something like 16.6% But when you throw six pennies, you have to use different formula for probability. That is: P(x) = (n above x) × p^x × (1-p)^(n-x), where n is number of pennies ... in our case 6, x is number of favorable events ... heads in our case, and p is probability of one favorable event ... in our case, heads or tails, 0.5 long story short :) Probability of getting 1 is 0,09375 Probability of getting 2 is 0,234375 Probability of getting 3 is 0,3125 Probability of getting 4 is 0,234375 Probability of getting 5 is 0,09375 Probability of getting 6 is 0,015625 Plus, there is probability of 0.015625 of getting 0

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                          • G Gary Wheeler

                            I believe 6 pennies matches the behavior of a single die, at least sufficiently for the purposes of a kid's game.

                            Software Zen: delete this;

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                            Jason Lepack LeppyR64
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                            Not even close to a regular die. Odds: 0 = 1/64 1 = 6/64 2 = 15/64 3 = 20/64 4 = 15/64 5 = 6/64 6 = 1/64

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                            • N Nagy Vilmos

                              It's not my homework and it's nothing to do with computers. I just need an idea and I need it in the next four hours! My eldest daughter is making a game for a school project. We've done most of it (actually I did the layout for her and she coloured it in). We've made lots of pretty counters and we know how the game will work. Even my three year old monster-angel (tm) understands. Now for the problem... We've been using dice, but (i) I'm not overly happy about it and (ii) I don't want her take the few dice we have to school and loose them. I thought I could find a few dice in one of the shops. Not on your Aunt Nelly's Life! So any ideas guys? Something a six year-old can make and use that will allow a bit of chance in travelling around what is basically a simple maze.


                              Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.

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                              Babant
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                              Just use a pencil. I don't know about your area, but where I'm from, most of the pencils are hexagonal. So you just write numbers 1 - 6 on each side and throw the pencil.

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                              • B Babant

                                Just use a pencil. I don't know about your area, but where I'm from, most of the pencils are hexagonal. So you just write numbers 1 - 6 on each side and throw the pencil.

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                                Dan Neely
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                                Eraser! Throw again. Point in Sussy's Eye. Call the lawyers! :doh:

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                                • J Jason Lepack LeppyR64

                                  Not even close to a regular die. Odds: 0 = 1/64 1 = 6/64 2 = 15/64 3 = 20/64 4 = 15/64 5 = 6/64 6 = 1/64

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                                  Gary Wheeler
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                                  You've got to consider the audience here. This is for a kid's game. That means you've got to be able to explain how it works and the rules to a kid. KISS: Keep It Simple, Stupid. I doubt it matters that the distribution is not the same as with a regular die. Come to think of it, it does not matter. As long as the probability of each player getting the value of a particular 'roll' is the same as every other player's probability of getting that same roll, then the gameplay is fair.

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                                    You've got to consider the audience here. This is for a kid's game. That means you've got to be able to explain how it works and the rules to a kid. KISS: Keep It Simple, Stupid. I doubt it matters that the distribution is not the same as with a regular die. Come to think of it, it does not matter. As long as the probability of each player getting the value of a particular 'roll' is the same as every other player's probability of getting that same roll, then the gameplay is fair.

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                                    Jason Lepack LeppyR64
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                                    I did consider the audience. I didn't discount the fact that it was close enough for a kids game. I don't know any 6 year olds that read this forum. I discounted the fact that YOU mentioned that 6 coins in a cup closely modeled a standard die. ;P

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                                    • N Nagy Vilmos

                                      It's not my homework and it's nothing to do with computers. I just need an idea and I need it in the next four hours! My eldest daughter is making a game for a school project. We've done most of it (actually I did the layout for her and she coloured it in). We've made lots of pretty counters and we know how the game will work. Even my three year old monster-angel (tm) understands. Now for the problem... We've been using dice, but (i) I'm not overly happy about it and (ii) I don't want her take the few dice we have to school and loose them. I thought I could find a few dice in one of the shops. Not on your Aunt Nelly's Life! So any ideas guys? Something a six year-old can make and use that will allow a bit of chance in travelling around what is basically a simple maze.


                                      Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.

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                                      Joe Woodbury
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                                      You're kidding, right? You can get a box of dice at your local discount store for almost nothing--certainly for less than the effort it would take to come up with some lame work around.

                                      Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke

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                                      • J Jason Lepack LeppyR64

                                        I did consider the audience. I didn't discount the fact that it was close enough for a kids game. I don't know any 6 year olds that read this forum. I discounted the fact that YOU mentioned that 6 coins in a cup closely modeled a standard die. ;P

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                                        Gary Wheeler
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                                        As long as we're being pedantic here (and we are), I stated: "I believe 6 pennies matches the behavior of a single die, at least sufficiently for the purposes of a kid's game." The behavior in question is that of somewhat randomly choosing a value from one to six (I'll admit I missed the zero case), which is what matters as far as the game is concerned. The part of the statement in bold qualifies the first part.

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                                        • S Steve Dubyo

                                          How about a "spinner"? a hexagonal peice of card with something along the lines of a toothpick or small pencil through the middle (taking appropriate health and safety precautions!), each side represents a number 1-6, give it a spin and whichever side it comes to rest on dictates the next move. It will give her a bit more colouring in to do too!

                                          ;-]

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                                          Roger Wright
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                                          Very clever! :-D I was going to suggest something involving a chunk of cheese and a small rodent...

                                          "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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