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  • P Pete OHanlon

    OK - I'm back earlier than normal. So much for taking the full holiday away from the computer - anyway, what a one to come back to. John, why didn't you beat your chest, squat and take a dump on his desk and then tell him that he's not entitled to an opinion until his gonads dropped? Oh - Merry Christmas BTW.

    "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

    My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys

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    Jim Crafton
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    (clap, clap, clap) - very good Pete, much, much better than mine, plus the reference to gonads again is a nice way to close out the year!

    ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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    • J Jim Crafton

      (clap, clap, clap) - very good Pete, much, much better than mine, plus the reference to gonads again is a nice way to close out the year!

      ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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      Pete OHanlon
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      Nah - yours was good as well. In fact, it kick started the creative process for me.

      "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

      My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys

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      • P Pete OHanlon

        Nah - yours was good as well. In fact, it kick started the creative process for me.

        "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys

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        Jim Crafton
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        Always glad to help out a fellow practitioner :)

        ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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        • J Jim Crafton

          Uhm, what happened to you? Did you just finish a chick flick movie marathon? Feeling weepy and inclusive? The real John Simmons would have told him to shut his pie hole, stop breathing, and sit his ass back on down, thank you very much, oh and while you're at it, get me a fresh cup of coffee newbie! "Compare notes in a meeting", c'mon, get real!

          ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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          CPallini
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          I agree: man's points lost... :-D

          If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
          This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
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          • J Jim Crafton

            Uhm, what happened to you? Did you just finish a chick flick movie marathon? Feeling weepy and inclusive? The real John Simmons would have told him to shut his pie hole, stop breathing, and sit his ass back on down, thank you very much, oh and while you're at it, get me a fresh cup of coffee newbie! "Compare notes in a meeting", c'mon, get real!

            ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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            realJSOP
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            I may end up having to do that, but right now, I'd rather keep my job.

            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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            "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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            • J Jim Crafton

              Always glad to help out a fellow practitioner :)

              ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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              Jim Crafton wrote:

              fellow practitioner

              you mean proctologist? :-D

              My Blog: http://cynicalclots.blogspot.com

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              • R realJSOP

                New guy started today, and he's very - ummm - "excited" about coding guidelines. Seems he also doesn't like private member variables since they're "not necessary" in the latest version of C# (and a number of other ideas I don't agree with him on). I suggested that all of the programmers (there are four of us right now) take a small class, and change it to their own style of coding, and then we compare notes in a meeting, taking the best of the lot (in other words, the things we agree on) and establishing a coding style guidelines document.

                "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                -----
                "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                Dirk Higbee
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                And the worst part is, he'll probably be well liked by the boss and you'll have to hear about all his great accomplishments while he's shining the bosses' knob.

                My Blog: http://cynicalclots.blogspot.com

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                  And the worst part is, he'll probably be well liked by the boss and you'll have to hear about all his great accomplishments while he's shining the bosses' knob.

                  My Blog: http://cynicalclots.blogspot.com

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                  Pete OHanlon
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                  Dirk Higbee wrote:

                  you'll have to hear about all his great accomplishments while he's shining the bosses' knob

                  On his door?

                  "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                  My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys

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                  • P Pete OHanlon

                    Dirk Higbee wrote:

                    you'll have to hear about all his great accomplishments while he's shining the bosses' knob

                    On his door?

                    "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                    My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys

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                    absolutely :-D

                    My Blog: http://cynicalclots.blogspot.com

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                      Jim Crafton wrote:

                      fellow practitioner

                      you mean proctologist? :-D

                      My Blog: http://cynicalclots.blogspot.com

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                      clearly your mind's in a dirty place!

                      ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                      • P Pete OHanlon

                        Dirk Higbee wrote:

                        you'll have to hear about all his great accomplishments while he's shining the bosses' knob

                        On his door?

                        "WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith

                        My blog | My articles | MoXAML PowerToys

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                        unless you can think of a better place to hang it...

                        ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                        • R realJSOP

                          New guy started today, and he's very - ummm - "excited" about coding guidelines. Seems he also doesn't like private member variables since they're "not necessary" in the latest version of C# (and a number of other ideas I don't agree with him on). I suggested that all of the programmers (there are four of us right now) take a small class, and change it to their own style of coding, and then we compare notes in a meeting, taking the best of the lot (in other words, the things we agree on) and establishing a coding style guidelines document.

                          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                          -----
                          "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                          Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                          Coding Guidelines are the first step towards project failure. I wish you luck.

                          Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
                          Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway
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                          • R realJSOP

                            New guy started today, and he's very - ummm - "excited" about coding guidelines. Seems he also doesn't like private member variables since they're "not necessary" in the latest version of C# (and a number of other ideas I don't agree with him on). I suggested that all of the programmers (there are four of us right now) take a small class, and change it to their own style of coding, and then we compare notes in a meeting, taking the best of the lot (in other words, the things we agree on) and establishing a coding style guidelines document.

                            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                            -----
                            "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                            Wow - that's likely to be one heck of a meeting! Like others, I'm little surprised you didn't tell him where to put his private member variables! My suggestion is that, after writing your class you should also each write a justification of each style used - so in the meeting it's not just a case of "this is better because I like it better". So - if he likes to use automatic properties (or whatever they are called) and you don't, then each of you will have to justify your reasons - anyone sitting on the fence can then vote after hearing the logic. Sometimes it's pretty difficult for developers to explain why they like a particular style - which can lead you to realise it's just because that's how they've always done it. Just make sure nobody falls for the 'well, it's in the new version so it must be better" - i they do, just mumble WWF or WPF.

                            If I knew then what I know today, then I'd know the same now as I did then - then what would be the point? .\\axxx (That's an 'M')

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                            • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                              Coding Guidelines are the first step towards project failure. I wish you luck.

                              Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
                              Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway
                              Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.

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                              Todd Smith
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                              Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                              Coding Guidelines are the first step towards project failure.

                              Python enforces coding guidelines as part of the language. Are you saying it's a failure :D

                              Todd Smith

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                              • T Todd Smith

                                Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                                Coding Guidelines are the first step towards project failure.

                                Python enforces coding guidelines as part of the language. Are you saying it's a failure :D

                                Todd Smith

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                                Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                                Or have any experience with. However, I have never seen a business application succeed after talk began about the importance of Coding Guidelines.

                                Need software developed? Offering C# development all over the United States, ERL GLOBAL, Inc is the only call you will have to make.
                                Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway
                                Most of this sig is for Google, not ego.

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                                • R realJSOP

                                  New guy started today, and he's very - ummm - "excited" about coding guidelines. Seems he also doesn't like private member variables since they're "not necessary" in the latest version of C# (and a number of other ideas I don't agree with him on). I suggested that all of the programmers (there are four of us right now) take a small class, and change it to their own style of coding, and then we compare notes in a meeting, taking the best of the lot (in other words, the things we agree on) and establishing a coding style guidelines document.

                                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                                  -----
                                  "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                  Lost User
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                                  I'd much rather work somewhere that has a strong coding standard that I dislike than have a free for all. Nothing shits me more than projects where every bloody file is formatted differently. The other thing that shits me to tears is when someone makes a small change to code I wrote and re formats the whole file. When you use a diff to review the change you have to wade through pages of pointless modifications to find the actual change.

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                                  • R realJSOP

                                    New guy started today, and he's very - ummm - "excited" about coding guidelines. Seems he also doesn't like private member variables since they're "not necessary" in the latest version of C# (and a number of other ideas I don't agree with him on). I suggested that all of the programmers (there are four of us right now) take a small class, and change it to their own style of coding, and then we compare notes in a meeting, taking the best of the lot (in other words, the things we agree on) and establishing a coding style guidelines document.

                                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                                    -----
                                    "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                    Lost User
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                                    Might I suggest mercury fulminate paint on the half the keys of his keyboard?

                                    Visit http://www.notreadytogiveup.com/[^] and do something special today.

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                                    • T Todd Smith

                                      John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                      Seems he also doesn't like private member variables since they're "not necessary" in the latest version of C# (and a number of other ideas I don't agree with him on).

                                      With automatic properties that's somewhat true. The private member is created for you. So coding guidelines should be updated to incorporate that feature. If he means there's no longer any use for private member variables then of course he's mistaken and should be thrown out with the rest of the garbage :D

                                      Todd Smith

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                                      Ed Poore
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                                      The trouble is that stuff like INotifyPropertyChanged interfaces don't work and if you're using VS2008 there's reasonable chance you're going to try WPF so you've got to write all the properties yourself anyway.

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                                      • J Jim Crafton

                                        Uhm, what happened to you? Did you just finish a chick flick movie marathon? Feeling weepy and inclusive? The real John Simmons would have told him to shut his pie hole, stop breathing, and sit his ass back on down, thank you very much, oh and while you're at it, get me a fresh cup of coffee newbie! "Compare notes in a meeting", c'mon, get real!

                                        ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                                        Gary R Wheeler
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                                        Jim Crafton wrote:

                                        oh and while you're at it, get me a fresh cup of coffee newbie

                                        Oh, and while you're at it, get me a fresh cup of coffee, bitch. (fixed your typo)

                                        Software Zen: delete this;
                                        Fold With Us![^]

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                                          (clap, clap, clap) - very good Pete, much, much better than mine, plus the reference to gonads again is a nice way to close out the year!

                                          ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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                                          FERRETS!

                                          Software Zen: delete this;
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