Kids & God
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
I would not present my beliefs as facts. I would however explain why I believe why I hold my beliefs, and why I think they are valid.
how is this possible ? I *think* what you mean is saying 'I believe there is a God because' rather that 'there's a god, don't ask why or you will go to hell, right ? Well, the former is surely more effective, as a form of indoctrination ? I mean, if you want to use those emotionally loaded terms ? I would say anyone who does the latter is both stupid, and probably doesn't know what they believe and why themselves.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
what do I tell him when he asks me where we all come from?
Apes. :doh:
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This is plain dumb. Sorry, but a parent has no choice but to raise a child with a belief system. You're asking him to pretend to be an atheist for 15 years. Hell, you're essentially asking him to BECOME an atheist, because kids learn far more from what they see their parents DO, than what they choose to SAY.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Then it will be teaching, and not indoctrination.
Telling kids there is no God is indoctrinating them to atheism. There's no difference.
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Alduin wrote:
There is nothing wrong with mass murder. There is nothing wrong with torturing people for fun.
You certainly don't need religion or god(s) to figure out why these might be are generally considered wrong regardless of culture or religious background.
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modified on Friday, January 2, 2009 11:40 PM to unnuance it for Bassam.
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My sister-in-law told me that her 5 year old asked where we all came from and she said God created us, without going into too fine a detail, which he accepted. Although I do plan to teach my son about God, if he takes into it or not is up to him. However, when did those of you who mentioned God brought it up?
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
My sister-in-law told me that her 5 year old asked where we all came from and she said God created us, without going into too fine a detail, which he accepted.
Aren't kids great? They believe in all sorts of fairy tales.
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
However, when did those of you who mentioned God brought it up?
I've let my wife handle those things since she and I don't agree on the whole God thing. However, I do plan to let my daughter know my opinion on the matter when I believe she's mature enough to decide for herself. For now, her mother's doing the deciding, which is fine by me.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Oh he would love that. He'd either say "you're kidding" or go into a infinite-questions mode. What about pigs, horses, cows, etc.?
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
I disagree Christian. If you don't know why you have faith then how do you know you have faith?
Isn't that what I said ? Did I get them reversed ? I meant the parent who tells their kids what to believe and not to ask questions,has no idea what they believe.
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Christian Graus wrote:
you're essentially asking him to BECOME an atheist
What, not telling your kids about Gods before they are in their teens is atheist indoctrination? :confused:
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
What, not telling your kids about Gods before they are in their teens is atheist indoctrination?
Of course it is. If you choose to tell your kids there is no God, or to act as if there is no God, then they are being raised as athiests. Kids as a whole tend to take on their parents values, and if you hide your values, the ones you show, will be what they take on.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
I disagree Christian. If you don't know why you have faith then how do you know you have faith?
Isn't that what I said ? Did I get them reversed ? I meant the parent who tells their kids what to believe and not to ask questions,has no idea what they believe.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
What, not telling your kids about Gods before they are in their teens is atheist indoctrination?
Of course it is. If you choose to tell your kids there is no God, or to act as if there is no God, then they are being raised as athiests. Kids as a whole tend to take on their parents values, and if you hide your values, the ones you show, will be what they take on.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian, I said "not telling your kids about Gods" and you responded with "you choose to tell your kids there is no God". It was probably unintentional on your part, but you IMO there's a difference.
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My sister-in-law told me that her 5 year old asked where we all came from and she said God created us, without going into too fine a detail, which he accepted. Although I do plan to teach my son about God, if he takes into it or not is up to him. However, when did those of you who mentioned God brought it up?
1. Dear God, please put another holiday between Christmas and Easter. There is nothing good in there now. Amanda 2. Dear God, Thank you for the baby brother but what I asked for was a puppy. I never asked for anything before. You can look it up. Joyce 3. Dear Mr. God, I wish you would not make it so easy for people to come apart I had to have 3 stitches and a shot. Janet 4. God, I read the bible. What does beget mean? Nobody will tell me. Love Alison 5. Dear God, how did you know you were God? Who told you? Charlene 6. Dear God, is it true my father won't get in Heaven if he uses his golf words in the house? Anita 7. Dear God, I bet it's very hard for you to love all of everybody in the whole world. There are only 4 people in our family and I can never do it. Nancy 8. Dear God, I like the story about Noah the best of all of them. You really made up some good ones. I like walking on water, too. Glenn 9. Dear God, my Grandpa says you were around when he was a little boy. How far back do you go? Love, Dennis 10. Dear God, do you draw the lines around the countries? If you don't, who does? Nathan 11. Dear God, did you mean for giraffes to look like that or was it an accident? Norma 12. Dear God, in bible times, did they really talk that fancy? Jennifer 13. Dear God, how come you did all those miracles in the old days and don't do any now? Billy 14. Dear God, please send Dennis Clark to a different summer camp this year. Peter 15. Dear God, maybe Cain and Abel would not kill each other so much if they each had their own rooms. It works out OK with me and my brother. Larry 16. Dear God, I keep waiting for spring, but it never did come yet. What's up? Don't forget. Mark 17. Dear God, my brother told me about how you are born but it just doesn't sound right. What do you say? Marsha 18. Dear God, if you watch in Church on Sunday I will show you my new shoes. Barbara 19. Dear God, is Reverend Coe a friend of yours, or do you just know him through the business? Donny 20. Dear God, I do not think anybody could be a better God than you. Well, I just want you to know that. I am not just saying that because you are already God. Charles 21. Dear God, it is great the way you always get the stars in the right place. Why can't you do tha
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1. Dear God, please put another holiday between Christmas and Easter. There is nothing good in there now. Amanda 2. Dear God, Thank you for the baby brother but what I asked for was a puppy. I never asked for anything before. You can look it up. Joyce 3. Dear Mr. God, I wish you would not make it so easy for people to come apart I had to have 3 stitches and a shot. Janet 4. God, I read the bible. What does beget mean? Nobody will tell me. Love Alison 5. Dear God, how did you know you were God? Who told you? Charlene 6. Dear God, is it true my father won't get in Heaven if he uses his golf words in the house? Anita 7. Dear God, I bet it's very hard for you to love all of everybody in the whole world. There are only 4 people in our family and I can never do it. Nancy 8. Dear God, I like the story about Noah the best of all of them. You really made up some good ones. I like walking on water, too. Glenn 9. Dear God, my Grandpa says you were around when he was a little boy. How far back do you go? Love, Dennis 10. Dear God, do you draw the lines around the countries? If you don't, who does? Nathan 11. Dear God, did you mean for giraffes to look like that or was it an accident? Norma 12. Dear God, in bible times, did they really talk that fancy? Jennifer 13. Dear God, how come you did all those miracles in the old days and don't do any now? Billy 14. Dear God, please send Dennis Clark to a different summer camp this year. Peter 15. Dear God, maybe Cain and Abel would not kill each other so much if they each had their own rooms. It works out OK with me and my brother. Larry 16. Dear God, I keep waiting for spring, but it never did come yet. What's up? Don't forget. Mark 17. Dear God, my brother told me about how you are born but it just doesn't sound right. What do you say? Marsha 18. Dear God, if you watch in Church on Sunday I will show you my new shoes. Barbara 19. Dear God, is Reverend Coe a friend of yours, or do you just know him through the business? Donny 20. Dear God, I do not think anybody could be a better God than you. Well, I just want you to know that. I am not just saying that because you are already God. Charles 21. Dear God, it is great the way you always get the stars in the right place. Why can't you do tha
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Alduin wrote:
There is nothing wrong with mass murder. There is nothing wrong with torturing people for fun.
You certainly don't need religion or god(s) to figure out why these might be are generally considered wrong regardless of culture or religious background.
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
modified on Friday, January 2, 2009 11:40 PM to unnuance it for Bassam.
If there is no god, what is right and wrong? What is the difference between killing a human and killing a cow or a head of lettuce? Humans are simply another life form with no intrinsic rights above that of any other. Right and wrong are merely arbitrary constructs that we come up with.
Some people sail through life on a bed of roses like a knife slicing through butter.
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If there is no god, what is right and wrong? What is the difference between killing a human and killing a cow or a head of lettuce? Humans are simply another life form with no intrinsic rights above that of any other. Right and wrong are merely arbitrary constructs that we come up with.
Some people sail through life on a bed of roses like a knife slicing through butter.
Alduin wrote:
If there is no god, what is right and wrong?
For the sake of argument let's consider that statement to be true (and for the record, I don't), then which set of right and wrong sent down from upon high by which god or gods through which prophets are the true right and wrong? They're all different and often conflict. And you lose points for saying the one true god which happens to be the one you believe in.
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
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Alduin wrote:
If there is no god, what is right and wrong?
For the sake of argument let's consider that statement to be true (and for the record, I don't), then which set of right and wrong sent down from upon high by which god or gods through which prophets are the true right and wrong? They're all different and often conflict. And you lose points for saying the one true god which happens to be the one you believe in.
"Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it." -- P.J. O'Rourke
I do happen to believe in a god for several reasons, but I wasn't advocating any particular god or religion. The question was meant as it is. If there is no god what is right or wrong? By what standard do we call something good or evil, right or wrong? It loses all value if there is no reference point that we can look at.
Some people sail through life on a bed of roses like a knife slicing through butter.
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This is plain dumb. Sorry, but a parent has no choice but to raise a child with a belief system. You're asking him to pretend to be an atheist for 15 years. Hell, you're essentially asking him to BECOME an atheist, because kids learn far more from what they see their parents DO, than what they choose to SAY.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
Then it will be teaching, and not indoctrination.
Telling kids there is no God is indoctrinating them to atheism. There's no difference.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Christian Graus wrote:
Telling kids there is no God is indoctrinating them to atheism.
But telling kids that there may or may not be a God - you don't think so but other people do - is the truth. You happen to believe there is a god. But you are aware that there are many other world views - one God, many gods, no gods, scientology etc. etc. So giving your offspring the benefit of what you have learned, but with the honesty that there are many other views, is the only way.
If I knew then what I know today, then I'd know the same now as I did then - then what would be the point? .\\axxx (That's an 'M')