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  • S soap brain

    Tell me, do you - or anyone else - believe that it's possible to separate fact from fabrication any more?

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    Lost User
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    I dont. The world is full of deceit and spin. Orwell had it right.

    Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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      John Carson wrote:

      Ignore what the majority of the world's experts say

      Who are these experts? What do they say? Please provide proof that there is GW, the world is waiting! Why is Arctic sea Ice covering a bigger area today than 30 years ago? Why are most of the world glaciers expanding? Why is the sun producing an increasing amout of enery? Why is our axial shift bringing us into a more temperate climate? Why are people thinking that Humans are capable of doing this, when ONE VOLCANO could put more shit into the air than Human Beings could manage in a Century!

      ------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke

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      Oh dont bother asking Carson for proof. All he can do is post links to website like RealClimate, yes, the site rund by that fraudulant liar Mann and Hansens lackies. He will never provide one shred of proof that mankind by burining oil is having a measurable effect on temperature, let alone an effect that in outweighing all the others actully drives temperarue. He is a fool who hides behind other fools and liars and will one day be forced to retire from his then untenable position and accept the humiliation due. And that day will be good.

      Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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      • L Lost User

        John Carson wrote:

        Ignore what the majority of the world's experts say

        Lies. Only 219 scientists signed the Bali letter. Why? Because there are only 219 scientists in the world who believe this crap. The rest of the touted 2000 or so are government employees and other politically interested parties.

        John Carson wrote:

        put your faith in an unqualified journalist

        Perhaps if the editors of science magazines weren't forced to be politically correct there would be debate in them rather than in the media?

        John Carson wrote:

        Sometimes I despair for the world.

        Of course you do. All the time. And thats your problem. You think the worlkd is in trouble and you can save it. What a bizare supermanesque kind of delusion you have there John. You really ought to get some therapy because in reality you are insignificant. To the world, to nature, and to man.

        Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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        John Carson
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        fat_boy wrote:

        You think the worlkd is in trouble and you can save it.

        Source for this claim?

        John Carson

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          fat_boy wrote:

          You think the worlkd is in trouble and you can save it.

          Source for this claim?

          John Carson

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          So you DONT think you and everyone else are responsible for the woes of the world and therefore you and everyone else are the only salvation?

          Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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            Yeah, shrewd move. Ignore what the majority of the world's experts say, and put your faith in an unqualified journalist, refutations of whose nonsense are readily available to anyone who can Google. Sometimes I despair for the world.

            John Carson

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            Oakman
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            John Carson wrote:

            Sometimes I despair for the world.

            Me, too. Not necessarily for exactly the same reasons, but me, too.

            Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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              So you DONT think you and everyone else are responsible for the woes of the world and therefore you and everyone else are the only salvation?

              Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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              John Carson
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              It take it that you consider that "you" and "you and everyone else" are identical expressions. You really are a waste of space.

              John Carson

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                John Carson wrote:

                Ignore what the majority of the world's experts say

                Who are these experts? What do they say? Please provide proof that there is GW, the world is waiting! Why is Arctic sea Ice covering a bigger area today than 30 years ago? Why are most of the world glaciers expanding? Why is the sun producing an increasing amout of enery? Why is our axial shift bringing us into a more temperate climate? Why are people thinking that Humans are capable of doing this, when ONE VOLCANO could put more shit into the air than Human Beings could manage in a Century!

                ------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke

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                John Carson
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                Dalek Dave wrote:

                Who are these experts? What do they say? Please provide proof that there is GW, the world is waiting! Why is Arctic sea Ice covering a bigger area today than 30 years ago? Why are most of the world glaciers expanding? Why is the sun producing an increasing amout of enery? Why is our axial shift bringing us into a more temperate climate? Why are people thinking that Humans are capable of doing this, when ONE VOLCANO could put more sh*t into the air than Human Beings could manage in a Century!

                I'm not your research assistant, but if you looked past your favourite crank journalists, you would readily discover that most of the claims on this list are rubbish.

                John Carson

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                  It take it that you consider that "you" and "you and everyone else" are identical expressions. You really are a waste of space.

                  John Carson

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                  So you DONT think that you know better than everyone else?

                  Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                  • L Lost User

                    I dont. The world is full of deceit and spin. Orwell had it right.

                    Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                    Oakman
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                    fat_boy wrote:

                    Orwell had it right.

                    You mean when he said; "Four legs good, two legs bad?"

                    Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface

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                    • L Lost User

                      So you DONT think that you know better than everyone else?

                      Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                      John Carson
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                      fat_boy wrote:

                      So you DONT think that you know better than everyone else?

                      Your train of thought is so chaotic that discussion is pointless.

                      John Carson

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                      • D Dalek Dave

                        John Carson wrote:

                        Ignore what the majority of the world's experts say

                        Who are these experts? What do they say? Please provide proof that there is GW, the world is waiting! Why is Arctic sea Ice covering a bigger area today than 30 years ago? Why are most of the world glaciers expanding? Why is the sun producing an increasing amout of enery? Why is our axial shift bringing us into a more temperate climate? Why are people thinking that Humans are capable of doing this, when ONE VOLCANO could put more shit into the air than Human Beings could manage in a Century!

                        ------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke

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                        Dalek Dave wrote:

                        Why are people thinking that Humans are capable of doing this, when ONE VOLCANO could put more sh*t into the air than Human Beings could manage in a Century!

                        Yes, a volcano will probably produce more volcanic ash than human beings will in a century. :rolleyes:

                        Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                        • J John Carson

                          fat_boy wrote:

                          So you DONT think that you know better than everyone else?

                          Your train of thought is so chaotic that discussion is pointless.

                          John Carson

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                          So, you deleted your first post because it was pedantic and dull? (BTW people, here it is: "Usually when someone uses the word "so", it is to suggest that what follows bears a logical relation to what has preceded. In this case, there is no apparent connection. Previous posts haven't discussed knowing, they have discussed saving the world." )

                          Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                            So, you deleted your first post because it was pedantic and dull? (BTW people, here it is: "Usually when someone uses the word "so", it is to suggest that what follows bears a logical relation to what has preceded. In this case, there is no apparent connection. Previous posts haven't discussed knowing, they have discussed saving the world." )

                            Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                            That's some raising the bar there, you inbred undereducated pseudoscientific wannabe

                            - F

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                              Christian Graus wrote:

                              I didn't one vote you, BTW.

                              I didn't assume you did.

                              Christian Graus wrote:

                              Dalek Dave wrote: The Pro GW lobby has NEVER been able to provide ANY peer reviewed, unambiguous proof of ANY of it's claims. I don't believe this. Like I said, I know people who have access to raw data, and they have known for some time that the earth is warming.

                              I am not denial the 'Evidence' of warming, I cannot however see any evidence that anything we do can alter it. There is also 'Evidence' of cooling, and I am just as sceptical of that. True science needs cold facts laid out in an objective way, where not only the data is shown, but the source of that data can be interogated and questioned. All 'Models and Simulations' should be freely analysed too, something that the GW lot have frequently refused. Why I wonder? If GW exists, we deal with it, if it is shown to be false, who will believe scientists the next time something bad happens. Crying Wolf is dangerous.

                              ------------------------------------ "The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion" Arthur C Clarke

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                              You may not share my enthusiasm, but I'm personally thrilled that there's something we completely agree on.


                              Visit BoneSoft.com for code generation tools (XML & XSD -> C#, VB, etc...) and some free developer tools as well.

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                                That's some raising the bar there, you inbred undereducated pseudoscientific wannabe

                                - F

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                                Grabbed your attention didnt it?

                                Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                                  Yeah, shrewd move. Ignore what the majority of the world's experts say, and put your faith in an unqualified journalist, refutations of whose nonsense are readily available to anyone who can Google. Sometimes I despair for the world.

                                  John Carson

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                                  The majority of the worlds experts used to think that a man's colour dictated his intelligence, the majority of the worlds experts used to think that the world was flat majority of the worlds experts used to think that the world was at the centre of the universe..... majority of the worlds experts used to think that light was a wave propagating through an aether sorry man your "but the majority of the expert think" call is flawed. Bryce

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                                    The majority of the worlds experts used to think that a man's colour dictated his intelligence, the majority of the worlds experts used to think that the world was flat majority of the worlds experts used to think that the world was at the centre of the universe..... majority of the worlds experts used to think that light was a wave propagating through an aether sorry man your "but the majority of the expert think" call is flawed. Bryce

                                    MCP --- To paraphrase Fred Dagg - the views expressed in this post are bloody good ones. --
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                                    John Carson
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                                    Ah, the liar returns.

                                    John Carson

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                                    • J John Carson

                                      Ah, the liar returns.

                                      John Carson

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                                      bryce
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                                      easy there tiger heres anther expert quote for you http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=1a5e6e32-802a-23ad-40ed-ecd53cd3d320[^] Retired senior NASA atmospheric scientist, Dr. John S. Theon, the former supervisor of James Hansen, NASA’s vocal man-made global warming fear soothsayer, has now publicly declared himself a skeptic and declared that Hansen “embarrassed NASA” with his alarming climate claims and said Hansen was “was never muzzled.” Theon joins the rapidly growing ranks of international scientists abandoning the promotion of man-made global warming fears. “I appreciate the opportunity to add my name to those who disagree that global warming is man made,” Theon wrote to the Minority Office at the Environment and Public Works Committee on January 15, 2009. cheerypips Bryce p.s. i notice you didn't address my point. Please do if you feel like it.

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