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  • J JimmyRopes

    Jim Crafton wrote:

    assume a salary of 50K

    That sounds low for Washington DC.

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    Rob Graham
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    Sure does.

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    • J JimmyRopes

      Jim Crafton wrote:

      assume a salary of 50K

      That sounds low for Washington DC.

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      Jim Crafton
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      Well that just brings what's left over after personnel costs even further down. So they are going to have to suck it up and run a tight ship. Bummer, they can join the rest of us.

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      • C Chris Maunder

        1 million... Just think of the number of really good emoticons that would supply. ahhh.....

        cheers, Chris Maunder

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        You would have to get more hamsters, and then get a hamster supervisor.

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        • H Hans Dietrich

          The White House is saying that they're having a tough time keeping the White House web site up to date, because they only have 6 people and a budget of $1M. Is this complaint justified? Does anyone have any facts (of other web sites) to compare this with? How much money and how big a support staff do you think they should have to get the job done?

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          MrPlankton
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          If it's a FISMA [^]compliant site then 1M seems low. They could lower the cost of the site by disbanding NIST security division. 5 of the 6 wieners are probably there to make sure they are following NIST FISMA guidlines. They should be fired and allowed to clean offices, or work as gas station clerks or even 7-11 clerks. They are the evil American politruk[^], maybe sent to prison, or Siberia North Dakota to pay for thier crimes.... Breath count to 10.... I'm better now.

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          • H Hans Dietrich

            You would have to get more hamsters, and then get a hamster supervisor.

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            Chris Maunder
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            Hans Dietrich wrote:

            a hamster supervisor.

            And we all know how expensive they are.

            cheers, Chris Maunder

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            • H Hans Dietrich

              The White House is saying that they're having a tough time keeping the White House web site up to date, because they only have 6 people and a budget of $1M. Is this complaint justified? Does anyone have any facts (of other web sites) to compare this with? How much money and how big a support staff do you think they should have to get the job done?

              Best wishes, Hans


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              Member 96
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              There's no excuse, either adjust the budget or adjust the services offered. Someones not *managing* like they should be.


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              • H Hans Dietrich

                The White House is saying that they're having a tough time keeping the White House web site up to date, because they only have 6 people and a budget of $1M. Is this complaint justified? Does anyone have any facts (of other web sites) to compare this with? How much money and how big a support staff do you think they should have to get the job done?

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                Tomz_KV
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                If a commertical content management is used, a team of 6 people seems plenty enough.

                TOMZ_KV

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                • H Hans Dietrich

                  The White House is saying that they're having a tough time keeping the White House web site up to date, because they only have 6 people and a budget of $1M. Is this complaint justified? Does anyone have any facts (of other web sites) to compare this with? How much money and how big a support staff do you think they should have to get the job done?

                  Best wishes, Hans


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                  RC_Sebastien_C
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                  Hans Dietrich wrote:

                  Is this complaint justified? Does anyone have any facts (of other web sites) to compare this with?

                  </edit> this is no ordinary website </edit> It's less the the redecoration of a CEO's office at Merryl Lynch... I'm sure we're not talking about only technical staff, so yes I can see 6 people is not much...

                  "It reads like a B3 page (and for those who don't know what B3 is, it means bullsh*t Baffles Brains)" - Pete O'Hanlon

                  modified on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:51 PM

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                  • J Jim Crafton

                    Well let's assume a salary of 50K for each of the 6. Multiply the salary by 2.5 for insurance, benefits, etc, and you get $750K for all 6 just in salary overhead. So only 250K left for machinery, software, maintenance, etc. Sounds a bit slim.

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                    Rocky Moore
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                    You forgot delegation, that would be $20K * 5 and $200K for the manager...

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                    • H Hans Dietrich

                      The White House is saying that they're having a tough time keeping the White House web site up to date, because they only have 6 people and a budget of $1M. Is this complaint justified? Does anyone have any facts (of other web sites) to compare this with? How much money and how big a support staff do you think they should have to get the job done?

                      Best wishes, Hans


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                      John M Drescher
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                      Hans Dietrich wrote:

                      only have 6 people and a budget of $1M.

                      Wow, I'll take that job.

                      John

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                      • J JimmyRopes

                        Jim Crafton wrote:

                        assume a salary of 50K

                        That sounds low for Washington DC.

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                        John M Drescher
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                        Now when you put it that way. I will not definitely take that job.

                        John

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                        • J Jim Crafton

                          Well let's assume a salary of 50K for each of the 6. Multiply the salary by 2.5 for insurance, benefits, etc, and you get $750K for all 6 just in salary overhead. So only 250K left for machinery, software, maintenance, etc. Sounds a bit slim.

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                          John M Drescher
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                          Jim Crafton wrote:

                          Multiply the salary by 2.5 for insurance, benefits, etc

                          Is it really that high?

                          John

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                            Jim Crafton wrote:

                            Multiply the salary by 2.5 for insurance, benefits, etc

                            Is it really that high?

                            John

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                            Lost User
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                            I can't fathom it being that high. I've heard things like "add 50% for benefits" but never anything close to 2.5 times. Cheers, Drew.

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                            • J Jim Crafton

                              Well let's assume a salary of 50K for each of the 6. Multiply the salary by 2.5 for insurance, benefits, etc, and you get $750K for all 6 just in salary overhead. So only 250K left for machinery, software, maintenance, etc. Sounds a bit slim.

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                              Roger Wright
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                              Jim Crafton wrote:

                              Multiply the salary by 2.5 for insurance, benefits, etc

                              Wow! You must have way better insurance than I do, and mine's 100% company paid! We tack on 100% for fully burdened labor and have extra to spare. That even covers office space and administration.

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                              • H Hans Dietrich

                                The White House is saying that they're having a tough time keeping the White House web site up to date, because they only have 6 people and a budget of $1M. Is this complaint justified? Does anyone have any facts (of other web sites) to compare this with? How much money and how big a support staff do you think they should have to get the job done?

                                Best wishes, Hans


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                                Vimalsoft Pty Ltd
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                                Do you know how much is that in Zimbabwe? 36,844,444,000,000.00 ZWD This Amount of Budget can maintain 1000000 websites :)

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                                • H Hans Dietrich

                                  The White House is saying that they're having a tough time keeping the White House web site up to date, because they only have 6 people and a budget of $1M. Is this complaint justified? Does anyone have any facts (of other web sites) to compare this with? How much money and how big a support staff do you think they should have to get the job done?

                                  Best wishes, Hans


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                                  SimulationofSai
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                                  Of the six, one would be a developer, one a team lead, a project lead, a project manager, a secretary of state for the white house website and finally on top, a senator. And due to the ongoing recession and to reduce costs, the developer would be looking out for a job soon enough. :rolleyes:

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                                  • H Hans Dietrich

                                    The White House is saying that they're having a tough time keeping the White House web site up to date, because they only have 6 people and a budget of $1M. Is this complaint justified? Does anyone have any facts (of other web sites) to compare this with? How much money and how big a support staff do you think they should have to get the job done?

                                    Best wishes, Hans


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                                    Craig_B
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                                    Budget? Whats that? oh yea count your money before you actually have it. Something flawed in that logic :doh:

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                                    • H Hans Dietrich

                                      The White House is saying that they're having a tough time keeping the White House web site up to date, because they only have 6 people and a budget of $1M. Is this complaint justified? Does anyone have any facts (of other web sites) to compare this with? How much money and how big a support staff do you think they should have to get the job done?

                                      Best wishes, Hans


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                                      Mayur Patil
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                                      I am ready to maintain the site with 50% less and with 2 people :p

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                                      • R Roger Wright

                                        Jim Crafton wrote:

                                        Multiply the salary by 2.5 for insurance, benefits, etc

                                        Wow! You must have way better insurance than I do, and mine's 100% company paid! We tack on 100% for fully burdened labor and have extra to spare. That even covers office space and administration.

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                                        stuartprescott
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                                        We're not just talking about the direct costs of employment but also the other on-costs. You need HR people to hire and fire them, accounts people to make sure they get paid, security people to check their ID at the door, offices, people to clean the offices, electricity, ... I don't know how the US govt does its accounting, but in all the universities and research labs institutions I've worked in, the multiplier has been between 2.4 and 3.4. (Yes, 3,4!). If you want to hire someone for a project, you need to find 3.4 * salary to pay for that. Sure, some of the costs listed above aren't really a marginal cost, but that's not how the accounting is done. And let's not go trying to explain to accountants that their numbers are rubbery -- life's too short for that.

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                                          You would have to get more hamsters, and then get a hamster supervisor.

                                          Best wishes, Hans


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                                          Hans Dietrich wrote:

                                          a hamster supervisor.

                                          Otherwise called a cat. That'll keep them motivated.

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