Celebs fear London crime
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adamUK wrote: Crime (especially violent crime) has skyrocketed in the UK. I would think it has something to do with the cops not being allowed to carry guns. -Jack
If things are as bad as they can be, you can be sure there'll be a brighter tomarrow.
I have seen cops walking around with guns, its just not as common I think. I think all have them stowed away in the cars, but then I don't know whether every cop having a pistol to hand would cut crime. I have a feeling that there are too many kids getting away with it, and in my opinion any youth found mugging, stealing etc. should have a damn stiff sentance. Just my opinion. -- Paul "I need the secure packaging of Jockeys. My boys need a house!" - Kramer, in "The Chinese Woman" episode of Seinfeld MS Messenger: paul@oobaloo.co.uk Sonork: 100.22446
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adamUK wrote: Crime (especially violent crime) has skyrocketed in the UK. I would think it has something to do with the cops not being allowed to carry guns. -Jack
If things are as bad as they can be, you can be sure there'll be a brighter tomarrow.
Jack Handy wrote: I would think it has something to do with the cops not being allowed to carry guns. I don't think it makes much difference, Just because a cop doesn't carry a gun doesn't mean he does not have access to one. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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London has an Underground world. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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adamUK wrote: Crime (especially violent crime) has skyrocketed in the UK. I would think it has something to do with the cops not being allowed to carry guns. -Jack
If things are as bad as they can be, you can be sure there'll be a brighter tomarrow.
Jack Handy wrote: I would think it has something to do with the cops not being allowed to carry guns. if i was going to commit a crime, i'd just make sure there were no cops around, armed or not. ie. the cop (and his radio) is the deterrent, not the fact that he's got a gun or not. it easier on everyone if you just don't get caught - having to shoot your way out is probably the last thing anyone wants. -c
For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble: and whoso doth us a good turn we write it in dust. -- Sir Thomas More
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adamUK wrote: Crime (especially violent crime) has skyrocketed in the UK. I would think it has something to do with the cops not being allowed to carry guns. -Jack
If things are as bad as they can be, you can be sure there'll be a brighter tomarrow.
I think Paul and Colin have summed it up, though I must reiterate what Paul briefly mentioned - a lot of the crime is committed by those known as untouchables. No I am not talking Indian social standards here but rather the new generations of kids that have been appearing in high crime areas since the 70's who know more about criminal law than the state lawyers who try them. These people have their own lawyers and know how to get themselves back on the streets and commiting crime within hours of being arrested - with no charge. This is where the system needs a serious overhaul. A mental assesment should be fairly good at determining if a person is likely to recommit, and if so they should be given the "three strikes and you're out" treatment. Hell there are plenty of uncivilised pacific islands out there to become the next Austrailia. You think I'm kidding?
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I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
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Jack Handy wrote: I would think it has something to do with the cops not being allowed to carry guns. I don't think it makes much difference, Just because a cop doesn't carry a gun doesn't mean he does not have access to one. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
Colin^Davies wrote: Just because a cop doesn't carry a gun doesn't mean he does not have access to one. I believe certain cars now have shotguns in them, however they have to radio ahead and get permission to use it. I don't know about you, but if I'm in a situation where I need to use a shotgun, I do NOT want to have to radio ahead for permission. -Jack
If things are as bad as they can be, you can be sure there'll be a brighter tomarrow.
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Jack Handy wrote: I would think it has something to do with the cops not being allowed to carry guns. if i was going to commit a crime, i'd just make sure there were no cops around, armed or not. ie. the cop (and his radio) is the deterrent, not the fact that he's got a gun or not. it easier on everyone if you just don't get caught - having to shoot your way out is probably the last thing anyone wants. -c
For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble: and whoso doth us a good turn we write it in dust. -- Sir Thomas More
Chris Losinger wrote: if i was going to commit a crime, i'd just make sure there were no cops around If I was going to commit a crime, I'd do it in England. -Jack
If things are as bad as they can be, you can be sure there'll be a brighter tomarrow.
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If things are as bad as they can be, you can be sure there'll be a brighter tomarrow.
What all these article about London vs NY fail to mention is that NY has 7(?) 8(?) million living veritcally in a 7x3 mile island, and London has (NY - 1) million living in (a conservative estimate) 10 x 10 miles. Considerably easier to police :) The police need to be able to do the same here as in NY. When people can urinate in the street within shouting distance of Trafalgar Square, and nothing is done, its not surprising people get away with worse things in london. As usual, Tony Blair's pathetically feeble government can't/won't do anything for fear of offending people, i.e. the minority that now get to smoke cannabis almost legally. It's a joke. I commute into London every day, and fortunately can use the train/tube to get all the way to my office door without having to experience the 'everyday' London that everyone seems to want to visit. Goodness knows why, it's unclean and unfriendly. I don't blame Joan Collins. :( For all you CP-ers that want to visit England, spend a day in London then go visit somewhere like Manchester or Newcastle, where you'll have a much friendlier and pleasant time. And for all you Englanders reading this, I'm a southerner, and I really don't like London. Maybe I'm just a bit jaded having experienced some of London's crime at first hand (fortunately at 6ft tall, I didn't come off worst that time ;) ). I'm only in it for the money ;) and the ludicrous house prices :) B.
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Chris Losinger wrote: if i was going to commit a crime, i'd just make sure there were no cops around If I was going to commit a crime, I'd do it in England. -Jack
If things are as bad as they can be, you can be sure there'll be a brighter tomarrow.
Ha - not any more! You've just been reported to Her Majesty's Immigration Department. :-D Though if you are looking for pointers I hear anywhere within the M5 boudary is a good place to start, followed up by inner city Birmin'ham or Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds - heck anywhere near the Scotts, the Welsh or the French is always a high crime area. ;P
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
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What all these article about London vs NY fail to mention is that NY has 7(?) 8(?) million living veritcally in a 7x3 mile island, and London has (NY - 1) million living in (a conservative estimate) 10 x 10 miles. Considerably easier to police :) The police need to be able to do the same here as in NY. When people can urinate in the street within shouting distance of Trafalgar Square, and nothing is done, its not surprising people get away with worse things in london. As usual, Tony Blair's pathetically feeble government can't/won't do anything for fear of offending people, i.e. the minority that now get to smoke cannabis almost legally. It's a joke. I commute into London every day, and fortunately can use the train/tube to get all the way to my office door without having to experience the 'everyday' London that everyone seems to want to visit. Goodness knows why, it's unclean and unfriendly. I don't blame Joan Collins. :( For all you CP-ers that want to visit England, spend a day in London then go visit somewhere like Manchester or Newcastle, where you'll have a much friendlier and pleasant time. And for all you Englanders reading this, I'm a southerner, and I really don't like London. Maybe I'm just a bit jaded having experienced some of London's crime at first hand (fortunately at 6ft tall, I didn't come off worst that time ;) ). I'm only in it for the money ;) and the ludicrous house prices :) B.
Barry Lapthorn wrote: When people can urinate in the street within shouting distance of Trafalgar Square, and nothing is done Barry Lapthorn wrote: As usual, Tony Blair's pathetically feeble government can't/won't do anything for fear of offending people, i.e. the minority Sounds like San Francisco. -Jack
If things are as bad as they can be, you can be sure there'll be a brighter tomarrow.
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What all these article about London vs NY fail to mention is that NY has 7(?) 8(?) million living veritcally in a 7x3 mile island, and London has (NY - 1) million living in (a conservative estimate) 10 x 10 miles. Considerably easier to police :) The police need to be able to do the same here as in NY. When people can urinate in the street within shouting distance of Trafalgar Square, and nothing is done, its not surprising people get away with worse things in london. As usual, Tony Blair's pathetically feeble government can't/won't do anything for fear of offending people, i.e. the minority that now get to smoke cannabis almost legally. It's a joke. I commute into London every day, and fortunately can use the train/tube to get all the way to my office door without having to experience the 'everyday' London that everyone seems to want to visit. Goodness knows why, it's unclean and unfriendly. I don't blame Joan Collins. :( For all you CP-ers that want to visit England, spend a day in London then go visit somewhere like Manchester or Newcastle, where you'll have a much friendlier and pleasant time. And for all you Englanders reading this, I'm a southerner, and I really don't like London. Maybe I'm just a bit jaded having experienced some of London's crime at first hand (fortunately at 6ft tall, I didn't come off worst that time ;) ). I'm only in it for the money ;) and the ludicrous house prices :) B.
Barry Lapthorn wrote: i.e. the minority that now get to smoke cannabis almost legally Minority? Don't kid yourself, the minority (especially for my current generation) smoke it for recreation at least twice a month. Okay that may not be much, but it is being used. I can walk into a certain unamed local shop and buy it over the counter from a local woman who doubles up in Safeways during the morning shift. Cannabis is harmless in 99.999% of its uses, and it may come as a surprise to some people to know that it has a huge "safety first" following, at elast round here, and does not lead on to any other drgus - even tobaco smoking. I have a motto - don't diss something till you've tried it... :suss: Anyway, where in the south is your castle? It is obviously somewhere near to London, but I assume you live in a nice community?
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
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What all these article about London vs NY fail to mention is that NY has 7(?) 8(?) million living veritcally in a 7x3 mile island, and London has (NY - 1) million living in (a conservative estimate) 10 x 10 miles. Considerably easier to police :) The police need to be able to do the same here as in NY. When people can urinate in the street within shouting distance of Trafalgar Square, and nothing is done, its not surprising people get away with worse things in london. As usual, Tony Blair's pathetically feeble government can't/won't do anything for fear of offending people, i.e. the minority that now get to smoke cannabis almost legally. It's a joke. I commute into London every day, and fortunately can use the train/tube to get all the way to my office door without having to experience the 'everyday' London that everyone seems to want to visit. Goodness knows why, it's unclean and unfriendly. I don't blame Joan Collins. :( For all you CP-ers that want to visit England, spend a day in London then go visit somewhere like Manchester or Newcastle, where you'll have a much friendlier and pleasant time. And for all you Englanders reading this, I'm a southerner, and I really don't like London. Maybe I'm just a bit jaded having experienced some of London's crime at first hand (fortunately at 6ft tall, I didn't come off worst that time ;) ). I'm only in it for the money ;) and the ludicrous house prices :) B.
Barry Lapthorn wrote: When people can urinate in the street within shouting distance of Trafalgar Square, and nothing is done, its not surprising people get away with worse things in london And that's just the politians. :suss:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
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What all these article about London vs NY fail to mention is that NY has 7(?) 8(?) million living veritcally in a 7x3 mile island, and London has (NY - 1) million living in (a conservative estimate) 10 x 10 miles. Considerably easier to police :) The police need to be able to do the same here as in NY. When people can urinate in the street within shouting distance of Trafalgar Square, and nothing is done, its not surprising people get away with worse things in london. As usual, Tony Blair's pathetically feeble government can't/won't do anything for fear of offending people, i.e. the minority that now get to smoke cannabis almost legally. It's a joke. I commute into London every day, and fortunately can use the train/tube to get all the way to my office door without having to experience the 'everyday' London that everyone seems to want to visit. Goodness knows why, it's unclean and unfriendly. I don't blame Joan Collins. :( For all you CP-ers that want to visit England, spend a day in London then go visit somewhere like Manchester or Newcastle, where you'll have a much friendlier and pleasant time. And for all you Englanders reading this, I'm a southerner, and I really don't like London. Maybe I'm just a bit jaded having experienced some of London's crime at first hand (fortunately at 6ft tall, I didn't come off worst that time ;) ). I'm only in it for the money ;) and the ludicrous house prices :) B.
Barry Lapthorn wrote: 7x3 mile island that's just Manhattan. you also need to include Brooklyn, Bronk, Queens and Staten Island, if you want to count all 7 Million people. that will push that area up significantly (ie. 301 sq miles) http://www.nycvisit.com/content/index.cfm?pagePkey=57[^] -c
For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble: and whoso doth us a good turn we write it in dust. -- Sir Thomas More
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Colin^Davies wrote: Just because a cop doesn't carry a gun doesn't mean he does not have access to one. I believe certain cars now have shotguns in them, however they have to radio ahead and get permission to use it. I don't know about you, but if I'm in a situation where I need to use a shotgun, I do NOT want to have to radio ahead for permission. -Jack
If things are as bad as they can be, you can be sure there'll be a brighter tomarrow.
I'm unsure of the UK, but we have a similar setup here in NZ, All cops look like they are unarmed 99.999 % of the time. The exceptions are like SWAT type guys in action and VIP protection police with concealed weapons. When certain conditions are met, eg the bad guys have a gun, or they even suspect that a person is armed, they don't need any extra permission. A survey of our actual Police officers shows almost all do not want to carry/show firearms because they consider the way things are is better than elsewhere. All police officers here are quite well trianed in firarm use, but it is considered if the Police carry guns, then the criminals will also. The rule here in NZ is almost if you are a criminal carrying a gun you can expect to be shot, so most criminals prefer to use lesser weapons. I guess its a totally different mindset to what you are use to. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Barry Lapthorn wrote: When people can urinate in the street within shouting distance of Trafalgar Square, and nothing is done, its not surprising people get away with worse things in london And that's just the politians. :suss:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
And then there is Red Ken having a fight with anyone after a few drinks as well. :)
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Barry Lapthorn wrote: i.e. the minority that now get to smoke cannabis almost legally Minority? Don't kid yourself, the minority (especially for my current generation) smoke it for recreation at least twice a month. Okay that may not be much, but it is being used. I can walk into a certain unamed local shop and buy it over the counter from a local woman who doubles up in Safeways during the morning shift. Cannabis is harmless in 99.999% of its uses, and it may come as a surprise to some people to know that it has a huge "safety first" following, at elast round here, and does not lead on to any other drgus - even tobaco smoking. I have a motto - don't diss something till you've tried it... :suss: Anyway, where in the south is your castle? It is obviously somewhere near to London, but I assume you live in a nice community?
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
I'm not schizophrenic, are we.
Minority? ;) Same thing I meant actually. I live way out in the middle of Kent. I've lived in various parts of London and just don't care for it. I'm jaded and I admit to it :) I think I'm in the similar age group to you actually :) Just never tried cannabis and don't intend to :) The point I was trying to get across is that the police turning a blind eye to canabis in Brixton/Lambeth has lead to an increase in dealing of stronger drugs, and hence an increase in crime in the surrounding areas. Fortunately the only things I have to worry about are rabbits, sheep, and Sunday drivers :)
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Barry Lapthorn wrote: 7x3 mile island that's just Manhattan. you also need to include Brooklyn, Bronk, Queens and Staten Island, if you want to count all 7 Million people. that will push that area up significantly (ie. 301 sq miles) http://www.nycvisit.com/content/index.cfm?pagePkey=57[^] -c
For men use, if they have an evil turn, to write it in marble: and whoso doth us a good turn we write it in dust. -- Sir Thomas More
I'm happy to stand corrected :) I'd like to know what the 'official' size of London is, i.e. where the Metropolitan police force police, and then where the regional police forces police. I'd say the Met polices roughly to the M25 orbital motorway, which I think has an average radius of 15 miles, so that makes 707 sq miles!!! Either way the British government at the moment is one of the most feeble, pathetic, criminal friendly ones we've had since I can remember. It panders to the minorities and ignores the majority. We've had 3 recent cases of people defending themselves and their homes from burglars been put in prison. How mad is that? :(
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I'm happy to stand corrected :) I'd like to know what the 'official' size of London is, i.e. where the Metropolitan police force police, and then where the regional police forces police. I'd say the Met polices roughly to the M25 orbital motorway, which I think has an average radius of 15 miles, so that makes 707 sq miles!!! Either way the British government at the moment is one of the most feeble, pathetic, criminal friendly ones we've had since I can remember. It panders to the minorities and ignores the majority. We've had 3 recent cases of people defending themselves and their homes from burglars been put in prison. How mad is that? :(
Barry Lapthorn wrote: How mad is that? sounds like the same kind of nonsense the US is enjoying - the lawyers and the criminals are the only ones making out, it seems :( -c
Democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time. -- Winston Churchill
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Barry Lapthorn wrote: How mad is that? sounds like the same kind of nonsense the US is enjoying - the lawyers and the criminals are the only ones making out, it seems :( -c
Democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time. -- Winston Churchill
Glad to see the 51st state isn't alone in it's lunacy ;)