HD Partitions
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Clickok wrote:
What's your settings?
I stopped partitioning drives when I discovered that I could never accurately estimate the size I would need for the partition. 40G for Windows/Program Files? That sounds woefully small. I just checked--the 64bit Program Files is under 1GB, the x86 Program Files is 14GB. Swap file is another 8GB or so. Hmmm. I suppose 40GB is ok. One thing I think is a good idea is to put the swap file on a separate physical drive. I've noticed performance improvement when doing that. Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
I stopped partitioning drives when I discovered that I could never accurately estimate the size I would need for the partition.
I agree, but my reason is that I need reinstall Windows frequently, and I don't have a second physical drive, then for simplicity I prefer separate windows/programs from data.
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dan neely wrote:
You'll only benefit if the swap is on a separate physical drive.
Regardless of same/different drive, the fragmentation will be reduced.
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Only if you set a page file small enough that it fragments in the 1st place. HDs are cheap enough there's no reason not to specify 3-4x the size of your ram in which case the system becomes unusable first. NTM the fact that there's almost no return from defragmenting segments larger than about 64mb because the transfer time dominates over the seek time.
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When you format your HD, what the size that you let for Windows and for data? I was letting 40Gb for Windows/Program Files and the remainder (120Gb) for data files (my documents/etc). I will purchase a 500Gb HD, then I was thinking about 100Gb for Windows and 400Gb for data. What's your settings?
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i never partition. just buy a 2nd HD - it's safer and cleaner.
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You'll only benefit if the swap is on a separate physical drive. If you're concurrently loading data and writing to the swap on the same HD you're still going to thrash.
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When you format your HD, what the size that you let for Windows and for data? I was letting 40Gb for Windows/Program Files and the remainder (120Gb) for data files (my documents/etc). I will purchase a 500Gb HD, then I was thinking about 100Gb for Windows and 400Gb for data. What's your settings?
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On my primary machine, I have a 160gb SATA drive that has nothing but the boot partition on it. My development drive is a separate 500gb SATA drive, and I have a 1tb SATA drive with two equal-sized partitions (the E: drive contains nothing but the program files folders, and the F drive contains data. On my web server, it's a 80gb IDE drive for the boot drive, and a 320gb drive for the actual web sites. On my wife's machine, it's a 160gb SATA for booting, and a 500gb for data and installed applications and data. My laptop has a 200gb drive with just one partition. All of these are backed up on a regular basis onto my homemade NAS that has a 20gb laptop drive to boot from, and a 500gb and 1tb SATA drives for storing the backups. Common theme (in case you didn't notice) - wherever possible, I use a separate drive for booting. The boot drive only contains Windows and drivers. ALL installed programs and data are placed on a secondary drive.
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When you format your HD, what the size that you let for Windows and for data? I was letting 40Gb for Windows/Program Files and the remainder (120Gb) for data files (my documents/etc). I will purchase a 500Gb HD, then I was thinking about 100Gb for Windows and 400Gb for data. What's your settings?
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Sigh! This discussion comes up at least once a month here (not sure how you missed them all) and there are two camps, the old school people who can't seem to wrap their heads around modern technology and advocate all manner of partitioning and the modern enlightened people who would advise that it's just not necessary any more and only paints yourself into a corner down the road. If you want to separate your data make a subdirectory called "Data" and keep your data there. There is no useful reason to partition in this day and age. Look more toward your backup strategy than your partitioning strategy, backup is actually still very relevant even today. :)
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I always keep a partition only for windows swap file. I don't know if in this days it still help so much, but in the past was a real system boost. And the two ones you already mentioned.
You avoid fragmentation, but you incur long seeks. Fragmentaiton can be avoided by creating a large-enough swap file once (set to "No swap file", reboot, set desired swap file size, reboot. done.). e.g. when you set apart a small partition at the "end" of the disk for the swap file, there will be frequent seeks from one end of the disk to the other. BAD.
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I used to believe the same thing, and then I read otherwise. While theoretically true, it seems that modern OS's do benefit from a swap on a different drive rather it be physical or illogical.
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and then I read otherwise
Well, I read that I can earn up to $20K a month working two hours a day from home! Performance is so subjective I accept only these things: (1) Reproducable measurement (2) A serious technical explanation that does not run contrary to what I belive :rolleyes: (3) It says "Velociraptor" on the box
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
and then I read otherwise
Well, I read that I can earn up to $20K a month working two hours a day from home! Performance is so subjective I accept only these things: (1) Reproducable measurement (2) A serious technical explanation that does not run contrary to what I belive :rolleyes: (3) It says "Velociraptor" on the box
I agree, in general. However, when I hear or read something like this I ask myself what is the cost of implementing. If it is trivial and presents a low risk I err on the side of the statement. If it goes against common-sense, requires an effort, and presents a risk then I just stay with the status quo. Of course any person here who has written an operating system and hd driver would know immediately. ( I haven't) I wonder if people like that post on CP?
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Sigh! This discussion comes up at least once a month here (not sure how you missed them all) and there are two camps, the old school people who can't seem to wrap their heads around modern technology and advocate all manner of partitioning and the modern enlightened people who would advise that it's just not necessary any more and only paints yourself into a corner down the road. If you want to separate your data make a subdirectory called "Data" and keep your data there. There is no useful reason to partition in this day and age. Look more toward your backup strategy than your partitioning strategy, backup is actually still very relevant even today. :)
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John C wrote:
There is no useful reason to partition in this day and age.
OS usually requires a full disk backup, Data just an XCOPY. OS backup rarely runs in the background, Data backup easily can. Switching a "Data" disk is easier than switching a OS disk. Shadow copies make much more sense for data than for OS and applications. Yes, all solvable problems. But I'd rather not run into them in the first place :)
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Do you know some nLite-like program where I can change Program Files folder location after installation?
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John C wrote:
There is no useful reason to partition in this day and age.
OS usually requires a full disk backup, Data just an XCOPY. OS backup rarely runs in the background, Data backup easily can. Switching a "Data" disk is easier than switching a OS disk. Shadow copies make much more sense for data than for OS and applications. Yes, all solvable problems. But I'd rather not run into them in the first place :)
And then there is fragmentation. Partitions with thousands of small files that change often tend to be highly fragmented. Keeping the OS and data separate will prevent my code from fragmenting my OS updates.
John
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When you format your HD, what the size that you let for Windows and for data? I was letting 40Gb for Windows/Program Files and the remainder (120Gb) for data files (my documents/etc). I will purchase a 500Gb HD, then I was thinking about 100Gb for Windows and 400Gb for data. What's your settings?
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When you format your HD, what the size that you let for Windows and for data? I was letting 40Gb for Windows/Program Files and the remainder (120Gb) for data files (my documents/etc). I will purchase a 500Gb HD, then I was thinking about 100Gb for Windows and 400Gb for data. What's your settings?
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Clickok wrote:
What's your settings?
I just create one partition.
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When you format your HD, what the size that you let for Windows and for data? I was letting 40Gb for Windows/Program Files and the remainder (120Gb) for data files (my documents/etc). I will purchase a 500Gb HD, then I was thinking about 100Gb for Windows and 400Gb for data. What's your settings?
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When you format your HD, what the size that you let for Windows and for data? I was letting 40Gb for Windows/Program Files and the remainder (120Gb) for data files (my documents/etc). I will purchase a 500Gb HD, then I was thinking about 100Gb for Windows and 400Gb for data. What's your settings?
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It doesn't matter. Eventually Windows will want all of it.
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