PhotoShop 7 makes killer JPGs
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I'm sorry Chris, I'm the one who has been inciting this moron. Ranjith wrote: May be...Well, most people complain about Microsoft. Some of them say "MICROSOFT SUCKS". And there are times when they do indeed suck. Ranjith wrote: Oh yeah! what operating system do you use? Win 2000, it rules. I love it. XP, on the other hand, sucks. Ranjith wrote: What Internet browser do you use? you mean there's a choice ? M$ killed Netscape, and the last version of NS only proves it. Ranjith wrote: What software language do you use? Why choose one ? I use C++ ( VC happens to be my compiler, but I try to write ANSI C++ where I can, within the limits of VC, which has sucked for a long time ), C#, vbscript, jscript, etc. Ranjith wrote: Well, some Microsoft VC users doesn't like their sister VB Sister is the wrong analogy. Maybe stunted, deformed at birth, black sheep of the family second cousin. Ranjith wrote: Oh boy! Do you still thinks Microsoft sucks. Yes, I still think that some Microsoft products suck, and that some of the directions they are taking are the equivelant of declaring war on their customers. VC is a nice product, but standards conformance is still vapourware. VB is a blight on the dev community and always has been. Ranjith wrote: I consider all those people who use MS products as losers, and I am one among them. It's really funny how some people like to attack others for things they never said. Chris actually didn't say anything bad about Microsoft, he was talking about Photoshop writing non-standard jpegs. I've said in response that some Microsoft products suck, that is a long way from saying they suck, or their users suck. So get over yourself, OK ? Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
Christian Graus wrote: I'm sorry Chris, I'm the one who has been inciting this moron. I never called you as a moron. Behave yourself!!!! Christian Graus wrote: It's really funny how some people like to attack others for things they never said. Chris actually didn't say anything bad about Microsoft I was just telling the people's attitude towards Microsoft, In general. Nothing as such against you or Chris Losinger. You just called me as moron!! Do you care to explain for insulting me and what made you to call me as a moron? I guess these message boards are created to have some intelligent discussions, not for threatening, abusing, or insulting someone. VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
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I think you didn't understand my algorithm. VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
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Chris Losinger wrote: i give up. what's your point? Heheh. I think he was making a dig at you. You post seemed to indicate a slightly scornful attitude towards Microsoft, yet you are a core VC++ coder cum thorough Win32 OS user. Maybe that's his point ;-) Nish
Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
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Chris Losinger wrote: i give up. what's your point? Heheh. I think he was making a dig at you. You post seemed to indicate a slightly scornful attitude towards Microsoft, yet you are a core VC++ coder cum thorough Win32 OS user. Maybe that's his point ;-) Nish
Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
Exactly! VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
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Chris Losinger wrote: i give up. what's your point? Heheh. I think he was making a dig at you. You post seemed to indicate a slightly scornful attitude towards Microsoft, yet you are a core VC++ coder cum thorough Win32 OS user. Maybe that's his point ;-) Nish
Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
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I'm sorry Chris, I'm the one who has been inciting this moron. Ranjith wrote: May be...Well, most people complain about Microsoft. Some of them say "MICROSOFT SUCKS". And there are times when they do indeed suck. Ranjith wrote: Oh yeah! what operating system do you use? Win 2000, it rules. I love it. XP, on the other hand, sucks. Ranjith wrote: What Internet browser do you use? you mean there's a choice ? M$ killed Netscape, and the last version of NS only proves it. Ranjith wrote: What software language do you use? Why choose one ? I use C++ ( VC happens to be my compiler, but I try to write ANSI C++ where I can, within the limits of VC, which has sucked for a long time ), C#, vbscript, jscript, etc. Ranjith wrote: Well, some Microsoft VC users doesn't like their sister VB Sister is the wrong analogy. Maybe stunted, deformed at birth, black sheep of the family second cousin. Ranjith wrote: Oh boy! Do you still thinks Microsoft sucks. Yes, I still think that some Microsoft products suck, and that some of the directions they are taking are the equivelant of declaring war on their customers. VC is a nice product, but standards conformance is still vapourware. VB is a blight on the dev community and always has been. Ranjith wrote: I consider all those people who use MS products as losers, and I am one among them. It's really funny how some people like to attack others for things they never said. Chris actually didn't say anything bad about Microsoft, he was talking about Photoshop writing non-standard jpegs. I've said in response that some Microsoft products suck, that is a long way from saying they suck, or their users suck. So get over yourself, OK ? Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
Christian Graus wrote: Win 2000, it rules. I love it. XP, on the other hand, sucks. Dear CG, I must say that though I usually respect your comments, I disagree with your above statement. It's a highly irrational statement you just made and possibly was driven more by emotion than by any logical thought. I have been using XP for over 8 months now and it's much more stable than 2K ever was. Of course perhaps you mean the XP UI is not very professional, which can easily be tweaked to have the 2K look. Do you have any reason(s) that I might have overlooked in putting down XP in favour of 2K? Nish
Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
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Chris Losinger wrote: is it Misinterpret Chris Day? LOL Sad eh? That too just after your colorizing edit box was updated. :-) Chris Losinger wrote: you're all dumb. (except you Nish ) Cool! :cool:
Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
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Christian Graus wrote: I'm sorry Chris, I'm the one who has been inciting this moron. I never called you as a moron. Behave yourself!!!! Christian Graus wrote: It's really funny how some people like to attack others for things they never said. Chris actually didn't say anything bad about Microsoft I was just telling the people's attitude towards Microsoft, In general. Nothing as such against you or Chris Losinger. You just called me as moron!! Do you care to explain for insulting me and what made you to call me as a moron? I guess these message boards are created to have some intelligent discussions, not for threatening, abusing, or insulting someone. VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Ranjith wrote: I never called you as a moron. Behave yourself!!!! No, from memory, it was an a$$ that you called me, among other things. Ranjith wrote: I was just telling the people's attitude towards Microsoft, In general. Nothing as such against you or Chris Losinger. So why didn't you start a new thread ? How was it a reply to Chris ? Ranjith wrote: You just called me as moron!! Do you care to explain for insulting me and what made you to call me as a moron? Well, seeing as you called me names first and have been vexing me with this stuff all day, I'm afraid all I can say is : if the boot fits. Ranjith wrote: I guess these message boards are created to have some intelligent discussions, not for threatening, abusing, or insulting someone. They are usually used for that purpose, but from time to time someone comes along and over-reacts to something and soon all hell breaks loose. I apologise for not being enough of a pussy to cave in because you're so sensitive. But I prefer to think that this way I am helping you to grow as a person. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
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Chris Losinger wrote: is it Misinterpret Chris Day? LOL Sad eh? That too just after your colorizing edit box was updated. :-) Chris Losinger wrote: you're all dumb. (except you Nish ) Cool! :cool:
Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
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Exactly! VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Ranjith wrote: Exactly! So the opposite to what you said to me a moment ago ? Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
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Christian Graus wrote: Win 2000, it rules. I love it. XP, on the other hand, sucks. Dear CG, I must say that though I usually respect your comments, I disagree with your above statement. It's a highly irrational statement you just made and possibly was driven more by emotion than by any logical thought. I have been using XP for over 8 months now and it's much more stable than 2K ever was. Of course perhaps you mean the XP UI is not very professional, which can easily be tweaked to have the 2K look. Do you have any reason(s) that I might have overlooked in putting down XP in favour of 2K? Nish
Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
I base my opinion on two things. 1. I ran XP for a month or so and it just got more and more unstable. How can anything be more stable than 2000, which I have yet to have crash on me EVER ? W2000 is the uberlord of OS's IMO. 2. My wifes PC had XP OEM and it blew up. I put the HDD in one of my machines so she could keep working and M$ told me that not only was there no way they could circumvent their registration process so she could keep using it, but that when the replacement motherboard came, it may still not register and that would be my bad luck. She runs a pirated 2000 now and the OEM XP CD is a coaster. If it's running stable for you and is not OEM, then stick with it. By now you can probably find stuff in it, which was my other problem, everything has gone to an interface designed to help newbies and I couldn't find a thing. I also hate the huge start menu. It has some very nice features, most of which could be added to 2000 with shell extensions, but nothing compelling me to put up with the problems I have had. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
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Ranjith wrote: Exactly! So the opposite to what you said to me a moment ago ? Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 Cats, and most other animals apart from mad cows can write fully functional vb code. - Simon Walton - 6-Aug-2002
Christian Graus wrote: So the opposite to what you said to me a moment ago ? What I said? VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
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Chris Losinger wrote: ok ok. you're not dumb either. Careful Chris. We don't want too many people in our non-dumb association ;-) Shog is alright, but from now on do a thorough filtering before you go certifying people as non-dumb ;-) Nish :-D
Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
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Chris Losinger wrote: ok ok. you're not dumb either. Careful Chris. We don't want too many people in our non-dumb association ;-) Shog is alright, but from now on do a thorough filtering before you go certifying people as non-dumb ;-) Nish :-D
Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]
I demand admission !!! Regardz Colin J Davies
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http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=003j8d[^] PS7 generates JPGs with some extra data in them that causes IE and Outlook to die. cool! MS products seem to be the only ones suffering from these killer JPGs. -c
Argue for your limitations, and sure enough, they're yours.
Chris Losinger wrote: MS products seem to be the only ones suffering from these killer JPGs. I am confused. You mention that only MS products are afflicted by these problems, but you link to an article which in the first line mentions that "However they break many applications, including Quark". While it is no excuse for MS (and the problem is potentially worse because of IE) I do think we should be fair and mention that "many applications" are afflicted with this problem. Personally I blame Adobe for this problem. They should have tested their output and realised it was best not to make the XML info a default option but rather an optional extra.
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Chris Losinger wrote: MS products seem to be the only ones suffering from these killer JPGs. I am confused. You mention that only MS products are afflicted by these problems, but you link to an article which in the first line mentions that "However they break many applications, including Quark". While it is no excuse for MS (and the problem is potentially worse because of IE) I do think we should be fair and mention that "many applications" are afflicted with this problem. Personally I blame Adobe for this problem. They should have tested their output and realised it was best not to make the XML info a default option but rather an optional extra.
Paul Watson
BlueGrassGroup.com
Cape Town, South AfricaIt is a problem both MS and Adobe should fix. 1. MS should fix because it is a bug in their software. 2. Adobe should make a temp fix because their customers are having problems using their software for websites. That is the reality of software development. Sure, it isn't Adobe's fault, but sometimes you still have to change your software to make your customers happy. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
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Christian Graus wrote: I'm sorry Chris, I'm the one who has been inciting this moron. I never called you as a moron. Behave yourself!!!! Christian Graus wrote: It's really funny how some people like to attack others for things they never said. Chris actually didn't say anything bad about Microsoft I was just telling the people's attitude towards Microsoft, In general. Nothing as such against you or Chris Losinger. You just called me as moron!! Do you care to explain for insulting me and what made you to call me as a moron? I guess these message boards are created to have some intelligent discussions, not for threatening, abusing, or insulting someone. VB,ASP, C#, ASP.NET, VB.NET, Oracle, SQL Server. -------------------------------------------------- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein (1879-1955) "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup
Ranjith wrote: I guess these message boards are created to have some intelligent discussions, not for threatening, abusing, or insulting someone. You've been a member for eighteen months and you still think that?! ;P
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It is a problem both MS and Adobe should fix. 1. MS should fix because it is a bug in their software. 2. Adobe should make a temp fix because their customers are having problems using their software for websites. That is the reality of software development. Sure, it isn't Adobe's fault, but sometimes you still have to change your software to make your customers happy. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture
Tim Smith wrote: It is a problem both MS and Adobe should fix. True, that is the better option. Though I must stress that if MS made some before non-default option default in the, lets say, next VC++ compiler which made your apps not work on anything below Windows XP you would be pissed off. Same here, Adobe have switched on this XML info option without much thought to the consequences. Tim Smith wrote: That is the reality of software development. Sure, it isn't Adobe's fault, but sometimes you still have to change your software to make your customers happy. I think it was you who pointed out on another thread how change for change sake is not good, but a neccesity in any case.
Paul Watson
BlueGrassGroup.com
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Chris Losinger wrote: MS products seem to be the only ones suffering from these killer JPGs. I am confused. You mention that only MS products are afflicted by these problems, but you link to an article which in the first line mentions that "However they break many applications, including Quark". While it is no excuse for MS (and the problem is potentially worse because of IE) I do think we should be fair and mention that "many applications" are afflicted with this problem. Personally I blame Adobe for this problem. They should have tested their output and realised it was best not to make the XML info a default option but rather an optional extra.
Paul Watson
BlueGrassGroup.com
Cape Town, South Africa