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  • J Jim Crafton

    The larger point is

    Web + "Application" = absurd.

    So, yes. :)

    ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog Just Say No to Web 2 Point Oh

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    frattaro
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    For example, maybe you've heard of google apps? maybe not?

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      whatever you want to call them. scripting syntaxes. the point was stated: the number of them is absurd. Give me a break.

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      frattaro wrote:

      whatever you want to call them. scripting syntaxes.

      Data formats. Libraries. And if you want me to count all the data formats and libraries i deal with in non-web-development, i've got you beat easily.

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        So who put the L in SQL if it doesn't stand for Language? They should get the L out of there!

        BDF People don't mind being mean; but they never want to be ridiculous. -- Moliere

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        Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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        I was giving John a hard time since he excluded XHTML (XML and its variants) and ASP.NET or declarative programming in .NET as a language.

        Need custom software developed? I do C# development and consulting all over the United States. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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        • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

          SQL isn't a language.

          Need custom software developed? I do C# development and consulting all over the United States. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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          It is a non-procedural language by nature.

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            It is a non-procedural language by nature.

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            ok...so that was a joke, then.

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            • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

              SQL isn't a language.

              Need custom software developed? I do C# development and consulting all over the United States. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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              Single Step Debugger
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              Simple Query Language. Though not so simple these days, especially if you consider Transact/PL SQL and UDF functionality in Oracle and SQL Server. For the rest I’m entirely agree with John.

              The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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              • F frattaro

                For example, maybe you've heard of google apps? maybe not?

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                Jim Crafton
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                Yes, and while it's proof that if you bang on a square peg to get it to fit into a round hole long enough, the peg and hole will eventually deform to the point where you don't need to bang anymore, I still maintain that Web + application = absurd.

                ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog Just Say No to Web 2 Point Oh

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                  Simple Query Language. Though not so simple these days, especially if you consider Transact/PL SQL and UDF functionality in Oracle and SQL Server. For the rest I’m entirely agree with John.

                  The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                  frattaro
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                  Structured Query Language.

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                  • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                    SQL isn't a language.

                    Need custom software developed? I do C# development and consulting all over the United States. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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                    PIEBALDconsult
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                    Oh, not that again. :rolleyes: :-D

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                    • F frattaro

                      So I just finished a portion of a web application I'm writing, and I decided to count how many different languages I've used in this one aspx page. xhtml for the structure css for the display javascript for client side functionality xml for a modified treeview control xpath to navigate the modified treeview control c# for code behind asp.net for master pages and user controls sql for a gridview Things are pretty absurd for web developers. How many languages are you guys responsible for? -frattaro

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                      Boy, I'm glad I'm not responsible for those. I'm only responsible for one, but I might release it to the wild at some point, then it's popularity may even double!

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                        Structured Query Language.

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                        Single Step Debugger
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                        Thanks!

                        The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                        • F frattaro

                          So I just finished a portion of a web application I'm writing, and I decided to count how many different languages I've used in this one aspx page. xhtml for the structure css for the display javascript for client side functionality xml for a modified treeview control xpath to navigate the modified treeview control c# for code behind asp.net for master pages and user controls sql for a gridview Things are pretty absurd for web developers. How many languages are you guys responsible for? -frattaro

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                          fred_
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                          well try 32 real bosses. I code for a unnamed agency where each of the "board" members are also owners. App consists of a desktop client, a web client and a number of services including DoD spec PKI access and connections to legacy com applications .. :doh:

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                          • J Jim Crafton

                            Yes, and while it's proof that if you bang on a square peg to get it to fit into a round hole long enough, the peg and hole will eventually deform to the point where you don't need to bang anymore, I still maintain that Web + application = absurd.

                            ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog Just Say No to Web 2 Point Oh

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                            Jim Crafton wrote:

                            Yes, and while it's proof that if you bang on a square peg to get it to fit into a round hole long enough, the peg and hole will eventually deform to the point where you don't need to bang anymore, I still maintain that Web + application = absurd.

                            Yeah, the internet is fad. It will never last. :rolleyes:

                            I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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                              Jim Crafton wrote:

                              Yes, and while it's proof that if you bang on a square peg to get it to fit into a round hole long enough, the peg and hole will eventually deform to the point where you don't need to bang anymore, I still maintain that Web + application = absurd.

                              Yeah, the internet is fad. It will never last. :rolleyes:

                              I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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                              Jim Crafton
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                              We could only be so lucky. Sadly both it and web apps are here for a while.

                              ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog Just Say No to Web 2 Point Oh

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                              • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                css isn't a "language". In the purest definition, neither is XML (including it's bastard variants). asp.net is not a language. xpath is not a language. I guess that leaves you with C#, javascript, and SQL. What's your point?

                                "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                                Just for reference: XML = eXtensible Markup Language XHTML = eXtensible Hypertext Markup Language the W3C considers XPath a language, check their website. asp.net is admittedly a framework, but its just like html with tag namespaces, and should be considered an independent language. CSS is a stylesheet language, here is a PhD paper on stylesheet languages from the Opera website: http://people.opera.com/howcome/2006/phd/[^]

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                                • F frattaro

                                  So I just finished a portion of a web application I'm writing, and I decided to count how many different languages I've used in this one aspx page. xhtml for the structure css for the display javascript for client side functionality xml for a modified treeview control xpath to navigate the modified treeview control c# for code behind asp.net for master pages and user controls sql for a gridview Things are pretty absurd for web developers. How many languages are you guys responsible for? -frattaro

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                                  Fratttaro, I don't think you got a copy of the lastest memo. You see, we're using WCF and LINQ for data access. We are also making Silver Light versions of our web pages. You also need to use CAML to put your data in sharepoint. And you'll need to make a sharepoint web part so that the grid can be put in sharepoint. Also, Reports and data export are necessary, so you'll need to become proficient with SSRS and SSIS. It is also a requirement that every web page has regular expressions for validation. Didn't you get that memo?

                                  I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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                                  • J Jim Crafton

                                    The larger point is

                                    Web + "Application" = absurd.

                                    So, yes. :)

                                    ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog Just Say No to Web 2 Point Oh

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                                    Brady Kelly
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                                    Web + "HTML Application" = absurd. Of course your need a UI, but our web application, using extJS, renders UI elements straight into the DOM, cutting most of our HTML code down to a few tags to include the frame work. If I define a form panel 'item' as <pre> { xtype : 'textfield', fieldLabel : 'Client Surname', name : 'surname' } </pre> I see a neat label and textbox, that knows if its been changed, and automatically reads and writes from and to the 'surname' field in it's data store. No HTML until the DOM spits it out on the 'other side'. <div style="display:none;" class="CPhogPost"></div> <div class="ForumSig"></div>

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                                      Fratttaro, I don't think you got a copy of the lastest memo. You see, we're using WCF and LINQ for data access. We are also making Silver Light versions of our web pages. You also need to use CAML to put your data in sharepoint. And you'll need to make a sharepoint web part so that the grid can be put in sharepoint. Also, Reports and data export are necessary, so you'll need to become proficient with SSRS and SSIS. It is also a requirement that every web page has regular expressions for validation. Didn't you get that memo?

                                      I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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                                      frattaro
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                                      haha, nice, i completely forgot about the nightmare that is regex

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                                      • T ToddHileHoffer

                                        Jim Crafton wrote:

                                        Yes, and while it's proof that if you bang on a square peg to get it to fit into a round hole long enough, the peg and hole will eventually deform to the point where you don't need to bang anymore, I still maintain that Web + application = absurd.

                                        Yeah, the internet is fad. It will never last. :rolleyes:

                                        I didn't get any requirements for the signature

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                                        realJSOP
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                                        On 12/21/2012, it will all be moot anyway.

                                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                        • B Brady Kelly

                                          Web + "HTML Application" = absurd. Of course your need a UI, but our web application, using extJS, renders UI elements straight into the DOM, cutting most of our HTML code down to a few tags to include the frame work. If I define a form panel 'item' as <pre> { xtype : 'textfield', fieldLabel : 'Client Surname', name : 'surname' } </pre> I see a neat label and textbox, that knows if its been changed, and automatically reads and writes from and to the 'surname' field in it's data store. No HTML until the DOM spits it out on the 'other side'. <div style="display:none;" class="CPhogPost"></div> <div class="ForumSig"></div>

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                                          Jim Crafton
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                                          Well what I'm really whining about is trying to write network apps on top of a protocol that was never ever designed for it. What needs to happen is HTTP 2.0, but that's about as likely as cats making love to dogs.

                                          ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog Just Say No to Web 2 Point Oh

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