Do I need Vista as developer?
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Stuart Dootson wrote:
Even if you do that, you'll need to pick a Windows OS to install in a VM to develop on.
That can be slow. At least on my home quad core 9550 with 6GB of memory compiles are significantly slower in a vmware vm than on my dual core 2.9Ghz Athlon X2 (no vm) at work. The big problem are disk and video performance. I am talking about applications with several million lines of code here so maybe that makes a difference.
John
John M. Drescher wrote:
I am talking about applications with several million lines of code here so maybe that makes a difference.
Probably. I'm running Win7 + VS2008 on VMWare Fusion on my MacBookPro (2.4GHz Core 2 Duo, 4GB RAM, 7200rpm disk) and it seems to run at least as fast as on my workstation at work (HP xw4400, 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo, 4GB RAM, XP SP3).
John M. Drescher wrote:
The big problem are disk and video performance
It'll be disk performance for builds. I don't know what my disk performance is like - the Win 7 'experience rating' won't run to completion when running within VMWare Fusion.
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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Computafreak wrote:
I think someone even managed to statically link the required libraries into the executable and get it to run without any external files
I can't wait to see that stand alone "hello world" program. :-D
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Vista barely works as an operating system. Why would anyone want it to be a developer?
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Hi, yes I do. more than a year ago I was developing on XP and decided to buy a Vista machine so I could check my apps run fine on it. Vista worked and still works great, so after one month I decided to switch over, I now do all the work on Vista, I only power up the slightly older XP machine when I need to check something on it. Vista rocks. Just like all recent computer systems, it does need memory; I will not run Vista with less than 3GB (I am willing to run XP on 2GB). :)
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I do all of my development on Vista, with 2GB of RAM. Every visual effect, I usually have at least two virtual machines open, along with Visual Studio and about 5 tabs in Firefox. I haven't yet felt it slow down once. I really don't see the problem that many people have with it
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Hey, I resemble that remark.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
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OK, i had vista worked fine for almost 3 months (yeaaaaah) and then for some reason (as usual) it stopped getting update, and some programs stopped working properly!!!!!!!.:mad: After search online for almost 3 weeks for a solution, i got nothing.:mad: The only way to fix this is format and install windows again. :( I'm trying to do that for 4 days (more than 20 times) but with no luck. Every time i install it i wouldn't be able to get all feature under (Turn on and off Windows feature). From my experience I know if i'm not able to get these feature, so forget it don't wast time and install windows again. THERE IS NO SOLUTION FOR THAT PROBLEM AT ALL. even Windows creator don't know how to fix it. So the question, is do i need vista as .NET developer or, go back to XP, switch to Mac/Linux or what????:confused:
What the F#$%! You need to change your perspective... try to quit gradually what you are taking (I mean the medication) and then try to make a less stressing job... I don't know it can be a good starting point to buy a blind, deaf and limp sheep and take care of it. X|
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I hear Mono is doing rather well lately. I think someone even managed to statically link the required libraries into the executable and get it to run without any external files
I wonder if they've made any progress on the huge number of 1.0 methods that someone here found TBD when doing a test compile or if they're still concentrating on shiny stuff instead of making it work?
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Hey, I resemble that remark.
I didn't get any requirements for the signature
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OK, i had vista worked fine for almost 3 months (yeaaaaah) and then for some reason (as usual) it stopped getting update, and some programs stopped working properly!!!!!!!.:mad: After search online for almost 3 weeks for a solution, i got nothing.:mad: The only way to fix this is format and install windows again. :( I'm trying to do that for 4 days (more than 20 times) but with no luck. Every time i install it i wouldn't be able to get all feature under (Turn on and off Windows feature). From my experience I know if i'm not able to get these feature, so forget it don't wast time and install windows again. THERE IS NO SOLUTION FOR THAT PROBLEM AT ALL. even Windows creator don't know how to fix it. So the question, is do i need vista as .NET developer or, go back to XP, switch to Mac/Linux or what????:confused:
Sounds to me like you have a hardware problem. If you don't fix that, it won't matter what OS you use. You should use the same platform as the majority of your customers.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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Sounds to me like you have a hardware problem. If you don't fix that, it won't matter what OS you use. You should use the same platform as the majority of your customers.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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Sounds to me like you have a hardware problem. If you don't fix that, it won't matter what OS you use. You should use the same platform as the majority of your customers.
Anyone who thinks he has a better idea of what's good for people than people do is a swine. - P.J. O'Rourke
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OK, i had vista worked fine for almost 3 months (yeaaaaah) and then for some reason (as usual) it stopped getting update, and some programs stopped working properly!!!!!!!.:mad: After search online for almost 3 weeks for a solution, i got nothing.:mad: The only way to fix this is format and install windows again. :( I'm trying to do that for 4 days (more than 20 times) but with no luck. Every time i install it i wouldn't be able to get all feature under (Turn on and off Windows feature). From my experience I know if i'm not able to get these feature, so forget it don't wast time and install windows again. THERE IS NO SOLUTION FOR THAT PROBLEM AT ALL. even Windows creator don't know how to fix it. So the question, is do i need vista as .NET developer or, go back to XP, switch to Mac/Linux or what????:confused:
No, you dont need Vista, but It is not bad to have it. It looks and works fine for me on Intel Duo 2.4 mhz and 4 GB RAM. And I'm very satisfied, with other words, I would never switch back to XP after installing Vista. If you are encountering problems, then you could go back to Xp and wait for Windows 7. I allready have the Beta and I'm very satisfied. "THERE IS NO SOLUTION FOR THAT PROBLEM AT ALL" - I'm not sure there is a problem which cannot be fixed. Every problem must have a solution.About the fact that you cannot reinstall Vista, I can say that maybe Vista is not your problem, maybe installation disc, or any hardware on your computer, but you should allways be able to reinstall Vista. "switch to Mac/Linux or what????" - Don't walk alone, walk with the world. (Allways use Windows.) Leaving the Windows platform would be the biggest drowdown for a developer and any other PC user.
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OK, i had vista worked fine for almost 3 months (yeaaaaah) and then for some reason (as usual) it stopped getting update, and some programs stopped working properly!!!!!!!.:mad: After search online for almost 3 weeks for a solution, i got nothing.:mad: The only way to fix this is format and install windows again. :( I'm trying to do that for 4 days (more than 20 times) but with no luck. Every time i install it i wouldn't be able to get all feature under (Turn on and off Windows feature). From my experience I know if i'm not able to get these feature, so forget it don't wast time and install windows again. THERE IS NO SOLUTION FOR THAT PROBLEM AT ALL. even Windows creator don't know how to fix it. So the question, is do i need vista as .NET developer or, go back to XP, switch to Mac/Linux or what????:confused:
I'm using Vista 64 Enterprise at work and have done over the last year. I've only had a few blue screens. The rest of the time its worked perfectly. At home I have Vista 64 Ultimate on my laptop. Other than network card drivers not being installed as part of the OS install, it too has worked fine.
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You know..Vista has been the OS the people love to hate..I've been working with Vista for the past year and its working fine:P update your anti-spyware and anti-virus:D
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Monkey powered? That's is progress! :)
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OK, i had vista worked fine for almost 3 months (yeaaaaah) and then for some reason (as usual) it stopped getting update, and some programs stopped working properly!!!!!!!.:mad: After search online for almost 3 weeks for a solution, i got nothing.:mad: The only way to fix this is format and install windows again. :( I'm trying to do that for 4 days (more than 20 times) but with no luck. Every time i install it i wouldn't be able to get all feature under (Turn on and off Windows feature). From my experience I know if i'm not able to get these feature, so forget it don't wast time and install windows again. THERE IS NO SOLUTION FOR THAT PROBLEM AT ALL. even Windows creator don't know how to fix it. So the question, is do i need vista as .NET developer or, go back to XP, switch to Mac/Linux or what????:confused:
I've been using Vista at work for a while now. Never had any problems. However, the software I work on did need some tweaking before it would work with Vista. I don't think it's a bad thing, since most of Vista-specific crashes happen because of bad memory management. The only thing I found to be a pain it the elevation message that you get when you launch processes that need higher permissions. That's the price of security though. If you're Windows developer, you would be stupid not to use Vista, or at least have people in the same shop that do. It's out there people--you have to support it. Besides, Windows 7 is essentially Vista that they finally finished. I use Windows 7 Beta at home and I love it. It's what Vista should have been. I know we all hate business-driven decisions to release software, but that's the way the world works. However, I think MS might have something with the lame-duck Vista release. It makes Windows 7 look even better, since most software is now adjusted to run fine on Vista, so it will run just fine on Win7 as well. This makes Win7 look even better...
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OK, i had vista worked fine for almost 3 months (yeaaaaah) and then for some reason (as usual) it stopped getting update, and some programs stopped working properly!!!!!!!.:mad: After search online for almost 3 weeks for a solution, i got nothing.:mad: The only way to fix this is format and install windows again. :( I'm trying to do that for 4 days (more than 20 times) but with no luck. Every time i install it i wouldn't be able to get all feature under (Turn on and off Windows feature). From my experience I know if i'm not able to get these feature, so forget it don't wast time and install windows again. THERE IS NO SOLUTION FOR THAT PROBLEM AT ALL. even Windows creator don't know how to fix it. So the question, is do i need vista as .NET developer or, go back to XP, switch to Mac/Linux or what????:confused:
Its always good to develop and test on all major OS versions you're developing for; so the question is, are you developing for XP or Vista or both? Suggestion: download the free MS Virtual PC 2007. Install EITHER XP or Vista, then Virtual PC. Now create a Virtual Machines and install Vista or XP then VS; back up the images onto a removable HDD (so if ever your dev environment goes south again, you can just restore a FRESH copy) and there you go! Honestly, doing dev (and pretty much anything actually) on a VM just makes sense; you can hose the whole install and ten minutes later, be booting a fresh VM and be back to work! Best of all, its not going to cost you any money (assuming you have a legit XP on hand). Yes, it is a hassle installing an OS, then an OS and then an OS (with whatever software you want), BUT its pretty much a one time deal - once its done, its done! And if you back up properly, recovery is EASY... So, do you need Vista? I'd probably say yes if your apps are supposed to run on Vista; but Virtualising Vista is pretty easy.
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OK, i had vista worked fine for almost 3 months (yeaaaaah) and then for some reason (as usual) it stopped getting update, and some programs stopped working properly!!!!!!!.:mad: After search online for almost 3 weeks for a solution, i got nothing.:mad: The only way to fix this is format and install windows again. :( I'm trying to do that for 4 days (more than 20 times) but with no luck. Every time i install it i wouldn't be able to get all feature under (Turn on and off Windows feature). From my experience I know if i'm not able to get these feature, so forget it don't wast time and install windows again. THERE IS NO SOLUTION FOR THAT PROBLEM AT ALL. even Windows creator don't know how to fix it. So the question, is do i need vista as .NET developer or, go back to XP, switch to Mac/Linux or what????:confused:
There are more that 1 reasons why people dislike Vista and stick with XP. 1. Vista represent a different era in computer science since many things that were, are no more. 2. Old admins have trouble adjusting to what may look like an extreme categorization of options and functions ( I miss IIS6 !!), which sometimes make them think that they're back in their hacking and learning days but with a much slower learning (dinosaur) brain. 3. The GUI may seem cluttered and sometimes not too 'Obvious' to use. 4. Ok, let's face it. The world has still a lot to learn with Vista. I mean, it's somewhat difficult to not find an article on the net that doesn't explain in detail even the most bizzare and innexplicable behaviour of XP. 5. DIGITAL RIGHTS MANAGEMENT ... i'm not saying it's bad but the truth is that it forces a lot of people into the legal pipe. Of course there are workarounds (i think) !! 6. XP has Home and Pro (not counting the Embedded and x64) ...... Vista has Home, Extra, Proffesional, Platinum, Buisness, Ultra, Supersonic and who knows what other crazy version variation .... Now seriously, there are 2 kinds of computers ... for users and for developers. Still not sure what the match of XPPro is for Vista. 7. I really hate the START menu, the animations, the bread crumb navigation, the constant indexing of the HDD. I'm a developer and i want to work FAST and without the flashy mambo jumbo crap. I've set my XP machine to the classic windows 2000 theme (you know, the one with the grey windows) to not get distracted. Of course, it's personal preference but it would be nice to have a 'Developer' edition to them. 8. LEAVE THE CPU ALONE .... More CPU/GPU power to spare doesn't mean you have to take it. Jeeezz! 9. The Bermuda triangle is here .... My wife had 'Office' dissapear all of the sudden. A budy of mine had his Media center gone and he couldn't get it back. They didn't have Internet nor they did install any other software. 10. Are they a bit more pricey than XP or is it me? Before you all start flaming me, i'm a pretty good developer (web, .NET) and i know a bit about security so don't go saying you have spyware or something. PS: I'm thinking of getting a x64 CPU machine which i will fit Windows XP Pro x64 (If i can find them that is) !!!
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OK, i had vista worked fine for almost 3 months (yeaaaaah) and then for some reason (as usual) it stopped getting update, and some programs stopped working properly!!!!!!!.:mad: After search online for almost 3 weeks for a solution, i got nothing.:mad: The only way to fix this is format and install windows again. :( I'm trying to do that for 4 days (more than 20 times) but with no luck. Every time i install it i wouldn't be able to get all feature under (Turn on and off Windows feature). From my experience I know if i'm not able to get these feature, so forget it don't wast time and install windows again. THERE IS NO SOLUTION FOR THAT PROBLEM AT ALL. even Windows creator don't know how to fix it. So the question, is do i need vista as .NET developer or, go back to XP, switch to Mac/Linux or what????:confused:
I just started getting into the whole Azure world and found that you cannot install the SDKs on XP!!! Well you can if you alter the installer using the MSI SDK, but that is painful and there are no promises. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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People said the same thing about the win98 to win2k transition as well. I remember "You can have my DOS6.22 floppies when you pry them from my cold dead hands" as well. I'm sure it goes farther back but I'm not old enough to remember...
Today's lesson is brought to you by the word "niggardly". Remember kids, don't attribute to racism what can be explained by Scandinavian language roots. -- Robert Royall
dan neely wrote:
People said the same thing about the win98 to win2k transition as well. I remember "You can have my DOS6.22 floppies when you pry them from my cold dead hands" as well. I'm sure it goes farther back but I'm not old enough to remember...
I have always dragged my heels to upgrade the O/S too. Needed to rebuild both my home and DEV box at the office so I decided (since it's at SP1) to give Vista a try this time. So far no problems. Everything important seems to work ... all the development tools. About the only thing I had trouble with was an older game which I wasn't playing much any more. -CB :)
