Very suspicious voting pattern
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If someone at a large company posts an article and everyone in their company votes for it, is that bad? (eg someone at IBM or Wal-mart) or is it legitimate support by ones co-workers?
cheers, Chris Maunder CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
If everybody in a company votes for it, it's fine - if it's shill accounts set up then that's not fine.
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If someone at a large company posts an article and everyone in their company votes for it, is that bad? (eg someone at IBM or Wal-mart) or is it legitimate support by ones co-workers?
cheers, Chris Maunder CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
If they've read/used the material in the article and are casting legitimate votes yes. If they're just doing a mass shill vote and don't know anything about the article's context no. Unfortunately I've no good idea how to tell those two cases apart. Shill voting would exhibit a single visit pattern, but if most of the legit coworker votes are coming from non CP people that would look the same.
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If someone at a large company posts an article and everyone in their company votes for it, is that bad? (eg someone at IBM or Wal-mart) or is it legitimate support by ones co-workers?
cheers, Chris Maunder CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
So if i have a large block of ips, i can signup with a lot of new accounts and go vote for myself? Plus another reason this needs to be fixed is some businesses have multiple people working behind one ip. So because there company is effecient with ips they are not allowed to vote? ;) I think adding a box of why you think the article is better than the rest when you vote will solve alot of it. I dont think someone would be willing to type "i am the greatest" many different ways. Plus you could have a min characters allowed on the box. Other things you should calculate in is looking at how many views the actual article receives and how many forum interest it has and how many actual votes it has. You could also limit to 5 votes a day from a block of ips. This would help for example because if you have 25 people vote for you in two minutes from a company at 1:00 am in the morning within 2 mins time frame, highly unlikely you have that much pull over your fellow employees, but if you did it would make it where they had to vote over multiple days. As of my article being included in the contest, i really dont care if i win, so you can take it down if you want. Plus i dont think being a fellow past associate is fair to be entered into a public contest. I write articles for the purpose of making people interested about programming. I could care less about money or prizes, this is just a hobby to me, where i can use my brain. Anyways i got to get back to having fun now, making things. Latez
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So if i have a large block of ips, i can signup with a lot of new accounts and go vote for myself? Plus another reason this needs to be fixed is some businesses have multiple people working behind one ip. So because there company is effecient with ips they are not allowed to vote? ;) I think adding a box of why you think the article is better than the rest when you vote will solve alot of it. I dont think someone would be willing to type "i am the greatest" many different ways. Plus you could have a min characters allowed on the box. Other things you should calculate in is looking at how many views the actual article receives and how many forum interest it has and how many actual votes it has. You could also limit to 5 votes a day from a block of ips. This would help for example because if you have 25 people vote for you in two minutes from a company at 1:00 am in the morning within 2 mins time frame, highly unlikely you have that much pull over your fellow employees, but if you did it would make it where they had to vote over multiple days. As of my article being included in the contest, i really dont care if i win, so you can take it down if you want. Plus i dont think being a fellow past associate is fair to be entered into a public contest. I write articles for the purpose of making people interested about programming. I could care less about money or prizes, this is just a hobby to me, where i can use my brain. Anyways i got to get back to having fun now, making things. Latez
KISS "Keep It Simple, Stupid"
VectorX wrote:
So if i have a large block of ips, i can signup with a lot of new accounts and go vote for myself? Plus another reason this needs to be fixed is some businesses have multiple people working behind one ip. So because there company is effecient with ips they are not allowed to vote?
You see the issue. So what's the solution?
VectorX wrote:
Other things you should calculate in is looking at how many views the actual article receives
Easily manipulated by spiders.
VectorX wrote:
I think adding a box of why you think the article is better than the rest when you vote will solve alot of it. I dont think someone would be willing to type "i am the greatest" many different ways
Actually they would and they do. You'd be surprised :( (actually, you probably wouldn't!)
VectorX wrote:
You could also limit to 5 votes a day from a block of ips.
A good suggestion though still not foolproof. I could monitor voting habits and when I see a spike for a given article I could remove it from the survey (or remove only if the spike was from the IP address of the person who posted the article). The offending party can still trickle out votes. Or I could make it that only Silver members and above can vote, and offer a prize for voting to encourage votes.
cheers, Chris Maunder CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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So if i have a large block of ips, i can signup with a lot of new accounts and go vote for myself? Plus another reason this needs to be fixed is some businesses have multiple people working behind one ip. So because there company is effecient with ips they are not allowed to vote? ;) I think adding a box of why you think the article is better than the rest when you vote will solve alot of it. I dont think someone would be willing to type "i am the greatest" many different ways. Plus you could have a min characters allowed on the box. Other things you should calculate in is looking at how many views the actual article receives and how many forum interest it has and how many actual votes it has. You could also limit to 5 votes a day from a block of ips. This would help for example because if you have 25 people vote for you in two minutes from a company at 1:00 am in the morning within 2 mins time frame, highly unlikely you have that much pull over your fellow employees, but if you did it would make it where they had to vote over multiple days. As of my article being included in the contest, i really dont care if i win, so you can take it down if you want. Plus i dont think being a fellow past associate is fair to be entered into a public contest. I write articles for the purpose of making people interested about programming. I could care less about money or prizes, this is just a hobby to me, where i can use my brain. Anyways i got to get back to having fun now, making things. Latez
KISS "Keep It Simple, Stupid"
VectorX wrote:
So if i have a large block of ips, i can signup with a lot of new accounts and go vote for myself? Plus another reason this needs to be fixed is some businesses have multiple people working behind one ip. So because there company is effecient with ips they are not allowed to vote?
Pointless re-post. There's nothing Chris can do about these kinds of things.
VectorX wrote:
Plus i dont think being a fellow past associate is fair to be entered into a public contest.
They're not voting for you, they're voting for the article.
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VectorX wrote:
So if i have a large block of ips, i can signup with a lot of new accounts and go vote for myself? Plus another reason this needs to be fixed is some businesses have multiple people working behind one ip. So because there company is effecient with ips they are not allowed to vote?
Pointless re-post. There's nothing Chris can do about these kinds of things.
VectorX wrote:
Plus i dont think being a fellow past associate is fair to be entered into a public contest.
They're not voting for you, they're voting for the article.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Pointless re-post. There's nothing Chris can do about these kinds of things.
fair point, but it would be cool if Chris could do this as suggested "A good suggestion though still not foolproof. I could monitor voting habits and when I see a spike for a given article I could remove it from the survey (or remove only if the spike was from the IP address of the person who posted the article). The offending party can still trickle out votes."
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VectorX wrote:
So if i have a large block of ips, i can signup with a lot of new accounts and go vote for myself? Plus another reason this needs to be fixed is some businesses have multiple people working behind one ip. So because there company is effecient with ips they are not allowed to vote?
You see the issue. So what's the solution?
VectorX wrote:
Other things you should calculate in is looking at how many views the actual article receives
Easily manipulated by spiders.
VectorX wrote:
I think adding a box of why you think the article is better than the rest when you vote will solve alot of it. I dont think someone would be willing to type "i am the greatest" many different ways
Actually they would and they do. You'd be surprised :( (actually, you probably wouldn't!)
VectorX wrote:
You could also limit to 5 votes a day from a block of ips.
A good suggestion though still not foolproof. I could monitor voting habits and when I see a spike for a given article I could remove it from the survey (or remove only if the spike was from the IP address of the person who posted the article). The offending party can still trickle out votes. Or I could make it that only Silver members and above can vote, and offer a prize for voting to encourage votes.
cheers, Chris Maunder CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris I feel your pain, but VectorX makes 2 great suggestions such as Other things you should calculate in is looking at how many views the actual article receives and how many forum interest it has and how many actual votes it has. You could also limit to 5 votes a day from a block of ips. This would help for example because if you have 25 people vote for you in two minutes from a company at 1:00 am in the morning within 2 mins time frame, highly unlikely you have that much pull over your fellow employees, but if you did it would make it where they had to vote over multiple days. I am pretty sure my votes from work all look like they are coming through 1 IP Address. What a nightmare man....I say the only fair way is for codeproject to fly me out to India and challenge this dude to a code off and if that doesnt work, we can have a drinking competition and if that doesnt work a big old dust up should cover it, what do you say Chris, cant say fairer than this. For me I am just sick and tired of voting games, makes me quite angry actually, I was considering throwing in the old codeproject towel, but Pete O'Hanlon convinced me otherwise, so I will try and not let this sort of thing wranckle my otherwise excellent prestine feathers. All the best Chris
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Pointless re-post. There's nothing Chris can do about these kinds of things.
fair point, but it would be cool if Chris could do this as suggested "A good suggestion though still not foolproof. I could monitor voting habits and when I see a spike for a given article I could remove it from the survey (or remove only if the spike was from the IP address of the person who posted the article). The offending party can still trickle out votes."
Sacha Barber
- Microsoft Visual C# MVP 2008/2009
- Codeproject MVP 2008/2009
Your best friend is you. I'm my best friend too. We share the same views, and hardly ever argue My Blog : sachabarber.net
I'm used to seeing Why did this article get so many low votes? posts, but now to see Why did this article get so many votes? ???????? I mean, come on, exactly how much effort is this worth? I can think of a bunch of site changes I'd like to see. Expecting Chris to police a "too many votes" scenario is over the top. The intention is admirable, but there just aren't enough hours in the day. Let's kick this one down the road.
Best wishes, Hans
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VectorX wrote:
So if i have a large block of ips, i can signup with a lot of new accounts and go vote for myself? Plus another reason this needs to be fixed is some businesses have multiple people working behind one ip. So because there company is effecient with ips they are not allowed to vote?
You see the issue. So what's the solution?
VectorX wrote:
Other things you should calculate in is looking at how many views the actual article receives
Easily manipulated by spiders.
VectorX wrote:
I think adding a box of why you think the article is better than the rest when you vote will solve alot of it. I dont think someone would be willing to type "i am the greatest" many different ways
Actually they would and they do. You'd be surprised :( (actually, you probably wouldn't!)
VectorX wrote:
You could also limit to 5 votes a day from a block of ips.
A good suggestion though still not foolproof. I could monitor voting habits and when I see a spike for a given article I could remove it from the survey (or remove only if the spike was from the IP address of the person who posted the article). The offending party can still trickle out votes. Or I could make it that only Silver members and above can vote, and offer a prize for voting to encourage votes.
cheers, Chris Maunder CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Or I could make it that only Silver members and above can vote, and offer a prize for voting to encourage votes.
Can I have a prize?
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Or I could make it that only Silver members and above can vote, and offer a prize for voting to encourage votes.
Can I have a prize?
print "http://www.codeproject.com".toURL().text Ain't that Groovy?
<thinks about it...> No.
cheers, Chris Maunder CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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<thinks about it...> No.
cheers, Chris Maunder CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Aww. I like prizes.
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I'm used to seeing Why did this article get so many low votes? posts, but now to see Why did this article get so many votes? ???????? I mean, come on, exactly how much effort is this worth? I can think of a bunch of site changes I'd like to see. Expecting Chris to police a "too many votes" scenario is over the top. The intention is admirable, but there just aren't enough hours in the day. Let's kick this one down the road.
Best wishes, Hans
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Hans Dietrich wrote:
I can think of a bunch of site changes I'd like to see.
I second that.
Hans Dietrich wrote:
to police a "too many votes" scenario is over the top
I second that. My suggestion is twofold (and may seem somewhat inconsistent): 1. to encourage voting in general: when honest people cast more votes for all kinds of articles, it becomes impractical for individuals and small groups to twist the system 2. to reduce the importance of the final score; e.g. for the monthly competition, don't declare one winner per category, either go for a few, or randomly pick one from the first few. As a result twisting the system to become number one is not guaranteed to yield anything. :)
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I'm used to seeing Why did this article get so many low votes? posts, but now to see Why did this article get so many votes? ???????? I mean, come on, exactly how much effort is this worth? I can think of a bunch of site changes I'd like to see. Expecting Chris to police a "too many votes" scenario is over the top. The intention is admirable, but there just aren't enough hours in the day. Let's kick this one down the road.
Best wishes, Hans
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Chill out Hans, I simply said "would be cool if Chris " this is not the same as saying Chris, just go fix that. I agree its way over the top, I simply said it would be cool.
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Chill out Hans, I simply said "would be cool if Chris " this is not the same as saying Chris, just go fix that. I agree its way over the top, I simply said it would be cool.
Sacha Barber
- Microsoft Visual C# MVP 2008/2009
- Codeproject MVP 2008/2009
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ok then. Thats cool, see you Hans
Sacha Barber
- Microsoft Visual C# MVP 2008/2009
- Codeproject MVP 2008/2009
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ok then. Thats cool, see you Hans
Sacha Barber
- Microsoft Visual C# MVP 2008/2009
- Codeproject MVP 2008/2009
Your best friend is you. I'm my best friend too. We share the same views, and hardly ever argue My Blog : sachabarber.net
My friend tells me I need to get better at this. I try to deal with people efficiently, like I do with computers. But people keep throwing exceptions I do not expect. :)
Best wishes, Hans
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My friend tells me I need to get better at this. I try to deal with people efficiently, like I do with computers. But people keep throwing exceptions I do not expect. :)
Best wishes, Hans
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I hear ya. LOL
Sacha Barber
- Microsoft Visual C# MVP 2008/2009
- Codeproject MVP 2008/2009
Your best friend is you. I'm my best friend too. We share the same views, and hardly ever argue My Blog : sachabarber.net
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Or I could make it that only Silver members and above can vote, and offer a prize for voting to encourage votes.
Can I have a prize?
print "http://www.codeproject.com".toURL().text Ain't that Groovy?
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My friend tells me I need to get better at this. I try to deal with people efficiently, like I do with computers. But people keep throwing exceptions I do not expect. :)
Best wishes, Hans
[CodeProject Forum Guidelines] [How To Ask A Question] [My Articles]
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WPF = Wacky People Foundation
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001This coming from a man with a dog/mkey thing under a magifying glass....Mmmmm don't think we are that Wacky man. Speak for yourself.
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