White House report on Sadam Hussein
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One seriously dangerous regime - one does wonder why the rest of the world don't seem to interested in going after him. Michael Programming is great. First they pay you to introduce bugs into software. Then they pay you to remove them again.
Would the evidence you have seen be sufficient to you so that you would risk your life in a war against Iraq ? If you would be prepared to face possible death , then you have the moral justification in asking others to do so for you . If you wish to hide behind a TV screen and just watch Gulf War II on the 6 o'clock news then you do not. I for one would not want to go to War with Iraq based on the evidence I have seen . Granted , the mans a nutter , granted it would be better world without him , but I am not prepared to lay my life on the line for what appears to be highly subjective evidence and dubya scrabbling around for new ideas in the war against terror. I would have gone to Afgahnistan, I would have gone to the Gulf , I would have gone to the falklands , all worthy causes . But how can I ask someone else to risk their lives on my behalf if I would not be prepared to do it myself ? Oh no, you can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Clause!
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Samsung wrote: Is it bad by definition? Yes, as you know very well. :beer:
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Jason Henderson wrote: Mandela is a communist... Is it bad by definition? If he is capitalist, his opinion will be correct, by definition, again?;) It seems a lot of communist in world, more and more,... ;)
Yeah, communism is a bad word by itself in the US. I think mindless, uncontrolled capitalism without means and without end is worst. Ultimately, all war is related to some economic profit. This is a time of economic crisis and the US will start a war against Iraq to bolster the weapon and oil industry. I do not like Sadaam. I, personally, would love to see a change of regime. But the point is that US cannot be a bully and tell everyone how to run their country. Nor can it make the UN redundant and try to rectify whatever it thinks is not "right". Iraq is merely a convenient whipping boy. The country, and Saddam Hussein, have been so thoroughly demonised by a pliant western media, and painted so completely as the Great Satan, that even if the Americans dropped a hydrogen bomb on Baghdad nobody would object. The modus operandi seems simple: whenever the US feels macho, bomb Iraq. There is no major political cost, just a bunch of dead Iraqis, and who cares about them, anyway? Bombing a country, putting a puppet regime and sucking all its resources will not end the war against terror. If I am a child growing up in Afghanistan and a stray US bomb killed my whole family...yes, I will hate US the rest of my life. Yes, you have sowed the seeds for another Osama. Well, just my two cents. Pankaj Without struggle, there is no progress
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Do you think China is a good place to live? :beer:
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What about Sharon then? Four is better than three :-D Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
To some its a six-pack, to me it's a support group
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Samsung wrote: Is it bad by definition? Yes, as you know very well. :beer:
Why the hell is everyone still anti-communist ? It verges on the edge of a paranoid mantra in the US , 'capitolism good , communism bad' . Life just isn't that simple . Capitolism seems to have done a better job for its people than communism , and in that respect it is better , but that does not mean that communism should be treated as totally useless , we should look at it and learn , not turn away and remain ignorant. Oh no, you can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Clause!
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I don't think we should equate apples and oranges in this debate. Israel is in a defensive mode. Irac is in an offensive mode. US used nukes. Yea baby...to end a war. Nuff said. If you want to compare and debate, make sure your context are correct. Thanks, ed Every time I walk into a singles bar I can hear Mom's wise words: "Don't pick that up, you don't know where it's been!"
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Do you think China is a good place to live? :beer:
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Yeah, communism is a bad word by itself in the US. I think mindless, uncontrolled capitalism without means and without end is worst. Ultimately, all war is related to some economic profit. This is a time of economic crisis and the US will start a war against Iraq to bolster the weapon and oil industry. I do not like Sadaam. I, personally, would love to see a change of regime. But the point is that US cannot be a bully and tell everyone how to run their country. Nor can it make the UN redundant and try to rectify whatever it thinks is not "right". Iraq is merely a convenient whipping boy. The country, and Saddam Hussein, have been so thoroughly demonised by a pliant western media, and painted so completely as the Great Satan, that even if the Americans dropped a hydrogen bomb on Baghdad nobody would object. The modus operandi seems simple: whenever the US feels macho, bomb Iraq. There is no major political cost, just a bunch of dead Iraqis, and who cares about them, anyway? Bombing a country, putting a puppet regime and sucking all its resources will not end the war against terror. If I am a child growing up in Afghanistan and a stray US bomb killed my whole family...yes, I will hate US the rest of my life. Yes, you have sowed the seeds for another Osama. Well, just my two cents. Pankaj Without struggle, there is no progress
Back to good old puppet regimes , you mean like those put into South Vietnam and South Korea before they exploded ? Oh no, you can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Clause!
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Wouldn't want to be anywhere else in the world! :-D BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}
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Yes. :beer:
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pankajdaga wrote: Yeah, communism is a bad word by itself in the US. I think mindless, uncontrolled capitalism without means and without end is worst. Hehehe... Have you ever experienced communism on your own skin? Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
To some its a six-pack, to me it's a support group
Tomasz Sowinski wrote: Hehehe... Have you ever experienced communism on your own skin? Ditto! :beer:
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Why the hell is everyone still anti-communist ? It verges on the edge of a paranoid mantra in the US , 'capitolism good , communism bad' . Life just isn't that simple . Capitolism seems to have done a better job for its people than communism , and in that respect it is better , but that does not mean that communism should be treated as totally useless , we should look at it and learn , not turn away and remain ignorant. Oh no, you can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Clause!
Andrew Torrance wrote: Capitolism seems to have done a better job for its people than communism , and in that respect it is better , but that does not mean that communism should be treated as totally useless No offense, but you don't know what are you talking about. I lived in a communist country, and trust me there is nothing good about communism. :beer:
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Yeah, communism is a bad word by itself in the US. I think mindless, uncontrolled capitalism without means and without end is worst. Ultimately, all war is related to some economic profit. This is a time of economic crisis and the US will start a war against Iraq to bolster the weapon and oil industry. I do not like Sadaam. I, personally, would love to see a change of regime. But the point is that US cannot be a bully and tell everyone how to run their country. Nor can it make the UN redundant and try to rectify whatever it thinks is not "right". Iraq is merely a convenient whipping boy. The country, and Saddam Hussein, have been so thoroughly demonised by a pliant western media, and painted so completely as the Great Satan, that even if the Americans dropped a hydrogen bomb on Baghdad nobody would object. The modus operandi seems simple: whenever the US feels macho, bomb Iraq. There is no major political cost, just a bunch of dead Iraqis, and who cares about them, anyway? Bombing a country, putting a puppet regime and sucking all its resources will not end the war against terror. If I am a child growing up in Afghanistan and a stray US bomb killed my whole family...yes, I will hate US the rest of my life. Yes, you have sowed the seeds for another Osama. Well, just my two cents. Pankaj Without struggle, there is no progress
pankajdaga wrote: Yeah, communism is a bad word by itself in the US. I think mindless, uncontrolled capitalism without means and without end is worst. Hehehe... Have you ever experienced communism on your own skin? Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
To some its a six-pack, to me it's a support group
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Back to good old puppet regimes , you mean like those put into South Vietnam and South Korea before they exploded ? Oh no, you can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Clause!
What exploded in South Korea? Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
To some its a six-pack, to me it's a support group
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Samsung wrote: What about China Truly wonderful example. Got anymore regimes that violate basic human rights all in the name of the 'greater good of the people'. Chris
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Why the hell is everyone still anti-communist ? It verges on the edge of a paranoid mantra in the US , 'capitolism good , communism bad' . Life just isn't that simple . Capitolism seems to have done a better job for its people than communism , and in that respect it is better , but that does not mean that communism should be treated as totally useless , we should look at it and learn , not turn away and remain ignorant. Oh no, you can't fool me. There ain't no Sanity Clause!
Andrew Torrance wrote: Capitolism seems to have done a better job for its people than communism , and in that respect it is better , but that does not mean that communism should be treated as totally useless , we should look at it and learn , not turn away and remain ignorant. Yeah, and don't forget nazism then. They built good autobahns ;P Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
To some its a six-pack, to me it's a support group
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Your profile says you are in the United States but I get the impression from your posts that you are not. Where are you?
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston ChurchillI'm guessing South Korea....
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/iraqdecade.pdf[^] Thought some of you'd be interested. BW {insert witty/thought-provoking saying here}
Thank you very much for this link. I just read President Bush's speech to the UN, and I was pretty impressed by it--the list of transgressions, etc. I personally really hope that Bush doesn't do anything without UN sanction, and I'd really like to see the weapons inspectors given another chance. Marc
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Andrew Torrance wrote: Capitolism seems to have done a better job for its people than communism , and in that respect it is better , but that does not mean that communism should be treated as totally useless No offense, but you don't know what are you talking about. I lived in a communist country, and trust me there is nothing good about communism. :beer: