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Gary Kirkham wrote:
I wonder how they know that the reverse isn't the case: personality change causing brain damage.
And/or that lung cancer causes smoking. ;)
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Or that premarital sex leads to dancing. :)
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
I wonder how they know that the reverse isn't the case: personality change causing brain damage.
I guess they assumed that the brain damage was caused by the significant head trauma they all sustained. Are you convinced yet, though, that the mind is simply the sum of the chemical reactions occurring in your body?
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Are you convinced yet, though, that the mind is simply the sum of the chemical reactions occurring in your body?
No
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
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Or that premarital sex leads to dancing. :)
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
I wonder how they know that the reverse isn't the case: personality change causing brain damage.
I guess they assumed that the brain damage was caused by the significant head trauma they all sustained. Are you convinced yet, though, that the mind is simply the sum of the chemical reactions occurring in your body?
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Are you convinced yet, though, that the mind is simply the sum of the chemical reactions occurring in your body?
No
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
Why not? Brain damage and drug usage target only the brain, and yet have profound effects on the mind. How can the mind transcend the brain?
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
the mind is simply the sum of the chemical reactions occurring in your body?
Only people who think that are ones with little minds, less imagination, and no souls.
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Oakman wrote:
Only people who think that are ones with little minds, less imagination, and no souls.
You surely don't really believe that. I have a fantastic imagination - I can imagine all the different ways that the world isn't, and never will be. Hey, I'm open to the idea of some currently undiscovered interaction between matter and mind-vapour, but it has to make sense. You can't just say that something undetectable exists, is intrinsically tied to clumps of neurons and violates numerous laws of physics by prompting uncountably many nerve impulses, just because. You also can't criticise me because I don't believe you.
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Why not? Brain damage and drug usage target only the brain, and yet have profound effects on the mind. How can the mind transcend the brain?
I never said that chemistry can't affect the mind, I am not convinced that the "mind is simply the sum of the chemical reactions occurring in your body."
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
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Why not? Brain damage and drug usage target only the brain, and yet have profound effects on the mind. How can the mind transcend the brain?
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I never said that chemistry can't affect the mind, I am not convinced that the "mind is simply the sum of the chemical reactions occurring in your body."
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
So what is it? If it's not matter, then why is it so strongly affected by chemicals and yet completely undetectable? If I were to take a clump of neurons and carefully, one by one, wire them together like they are in the brain, at what point do they have a mind?
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...you say this as I migrate my OS and development tools from the "brain" of my laptop to the "brain" of my virtual server host. The software has changed brains and has gone to a better place.
The hard drives have physically altered their structures. The software doesn't transcend them, it's encoded onto them.
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I never said that chemistry can't affect the mind, I am not convinced that the "mind is simply the sum of the chemical reactions occurring in your body."
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
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Or that premarital sex leads to dancing. :)
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
Dancing is yet to be proven, but it has been linked to accelerated marriage plans.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
I am not convinced that the "mind is simply the sum of the chemical reactions occurring in your body."
Just out of curiosity - hypothetically speaking, what evidence would you require to be convinced of this?
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Whatcha got?
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
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The hard drives have physically altered their structures. The software doesn't transcend them, it's encoded onto them.
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If only I showed restraint and maturity in deciding which symbols to care about. Like Grilled Cheese Virgin Mary[^], Potato Chip Jesus[^], Fishstick Jesus[^], Rotten Grape Mary[^], Tree Mary[^], Mother Theresa Cinnamon Bun[^], Potato Mary[^], and of course Virgin Mary Cerebellum[^]. If only I wasn't so hung up on the symbolic insignificance of 77,300 scholarly articles [^] on the phenomenon of brain damage causing personality change.
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Gary Kirkham wrote:
I am not convinced that the "mind is simply the sum of the chemical reactions occurring in your body."
Just out of curiosity - hypothetically speaking, what evidence would you require to be convinced of this?
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Oakman wrote:
Only people who think that are ones with little minds, less imagination, and no souls.
You surely don't really believe that. I have a fantastic imagination - I can imagine all the different ways that the world isn't, and never will be. Hey, I'm open to the idea of some currently undiscovered interaction between matter and mind-vapour, but it has to make sense. You can't just say that something undetectable exists, is intrinsically tied to clumps of neurons and violates numerous laws of physics by prompting uncountably many nerve impulses, just because. You also can't criticise me because I don't believe you.
Can you prove that you are not really dreaming this experience? Empirically? Leave some mystery to life. Not everything has to have a rational explanation. There's a proverb, Sufi I think, that suggests that if you remove all of the falsities from your reality, you might find yourself left with nothing. Take it as you will.
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Whatcha got?
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
I asked what evidence would be required to convince you. Successful brain transplant? Purposeful personality change by altering brain structure? See, it's my guess that there is absolutely no empirical evidence that anyone could produce that would convince you, and I was just wondering if I was wrong.
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Just out of curiosity, why is it important to manipulate another's beliefs? And yes, that applies to Gary as well.
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Because erroneous beliefs have consequences. For (a ridiculous) example, if I believe that I can close my eyes and God will let me drive through oncoming traffic without hitting anyone, that belief needs correction before someone gets hurt or killed.
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Just out of curiosity, why is it important to manipulate another's beliefs? And yes, that applies to Gary as well.
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Actually I wasn't trying to manipulate anyone, I mearly stated that I wasn't convinced that the mind was only comprised of and/or completely explained by chemistry.
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Me blog, You read
