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What determines matter's position in space?

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  • _ _Damian S_

    Its location with respect to other things?

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    Captain See Sharp
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    _Damian S_ wrote:

    Its location with respect to other things?

    Yes, what is it about the matter that determines its location in respect to other things?

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      • C Captain See Sharp

        What properties of matter determines its position in the universe?

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        What is this "universe" of which you speak?

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          What properties of matter determines its position in the universe?

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          Lost User
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          its current velocity and the forces acting upon it.

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            What properties of matter determines its position in the universe?

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            Roger Wright
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            The initial momentum 7 femtoseconds after its creation plus the vector sum of all its subsequent interactions with other particles, minus a smidgen for the times when it was totally dark.

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              The initial momentum 7 femtoseconds after its creation plus the vector sum of all its subsequent interactions with other particles, minus a smidgen for the times when it was totally dark.

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              Roger Wright wrote:

              The initial momentum 7 femtoseconds after its creation plus the vector sum of all its subsequent interactions with other particles, minus a smidgen for the times when it was totally dark.

              So it is the interactions with the forces around it and the subsequent reactions that determine its position? What if it is a single particle or string in space? What determines its position then?

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                The initial momentum 7 femtoseconds after its creation plus the vector sum of all its subsequent interactions with other particles, minus a smidgen for the times when it was totally dark.

                "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                _Damian S_
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                Roger Wright wrote:

                minus a smidgen

                smidgen - (n) small pigeon...

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                  _Damian S_ wrote:

                  Its location with respect to other things?

                  Yes, what is it about the matter that determines its location in respect to other things?

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                  _Damian S_
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                  Its physical properties?

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                    Roger Wright wrote:

                    The initial momentum 7 femtoseconds after its creation plus the vector sum of all its subsequent interactions with other particles, minus a smidgen for the times when it was totally dark.

                    So it is the interactions with the forces around it and the subsequent reactions that determine its position? What if it is a single particle or string in space? What determines its position then?

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                    Chris Austin
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                    The same things. Things like gravity are properties of matter. Roger covered it as basically as possible. If you are truly interested, decide what kind of "single particle" you are talking about and read about how it interacts with other matter.

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                    • _ _Damian S_

                      Roger Wright wrote:

                      minus a smidgen

                      smidgen - (n) small pigeon...

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                      In Space?

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                        In Space?

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                        In Spaaaaccceeeee.... ;-)

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                          In Spaaaaccceeeee.... ;-)

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                          _Damian S_
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                          This is the continuing story about a quack... who's gone to the dogs!! Pigs in Space - End of the Universe[^]

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                            Roger Wright wrote:

                            The initial momentum 7 femtoseconds after its creation plus the vector sum of all its subsequent interactions with other particles, minus a smidgen for the times when it was totally dark.

                            So it is the interactions with the forces around it and the subsequent reactions that determine its position? What if it is a single particle or string in space? What determines its position then?

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                            I'm no professional physicist, but my early training leads me to believe that the equivalence of matter and energy means that all of this is a matter of energetics - exchanges and transformations of energy states via interactions with other entities. If a particle could exist isolated in space, then it could have no motion or position, because both are meaningless without a frame of reference. If such a particle had existence, that implies to me that it must have an energy state, and in its vast loneliness would contrive to split itself, distributing its energy into other particles to play with. It's possible that this would explain the Big Bang. It's equally possible that I'm a figment of your imagination, or that I'm simply full of shit. ;P

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                              Roger Wright wrote:

                              minus a smidgen

                              smidgen - (n) small pigeon...

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                              That would explain the periods of darkness - a pigeon will eat anything, even small theoretical particles. If this theory holds water, it would imply that all the known universe is composed of pigeon excrement, which would explain the smell hereabouts on a hot day, but does little to extend the range of Man's knowledge of the universe.

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                                That would explain the periods of darkness - a pigeon will eat anything, even small theoretical particles. If this theory holds water, it would imply that all the known universe is composed of pigeon excrement, which would explain the smell hereabouts on a hot day, but does little to extend the range of Man's knowledge of the universe.

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                                _Damian S_
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                                Roger Wright wrote:

                                Man's knowledge of the universe

                                It's no better or worse than other theories I reckon!

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                                  I'm no professional physicist, but my early training leads me to believe that the equivalence of matter and energy means that all of this is a matter of energetics - exchanges and transformations of energy states via interactions with other entities. If a particle could exist isolated in space, then it could have no motion or position, because both are meaningless without a frame of reference. If such a particle had existence, that implies to me that it must have an energy state, and in its vast loneliness would contrive to split itself, distributing its energy into other particles to play with. It's possible that this would explain the Big Bang. It's equally possible that I'm a figment of your imagination, or that I'm simply full of shit. ;P

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                                  Roger Wright wrote:

                                  If a particle could exist isolated in space, then it could have no motion or position, because both are meaningless without a frame of reference.

                                  A great way to look at it. Additionally, gravity extends to infinity. So, unless Hines here were somehow able to create a pocket universe with only a single particle it is not reasonable to discuss such thing.

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                                    That would explain the periods of darkness - a pigeon will eat anything, even small theoretical particles. If this theory holds water, it would imply that all the known universe is composed of pigeon excrement, which would explain the smell hereabouts on a hot day, but does little to extend the range of Man's knowledge of the universe.

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                                    Roger Wright wrote:

                                    If this theory holds water

                                    Nah - the water would evaporate - that's why there are no ducks Iinnnnn Spaaaaaacccccceeee

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                                      Roger Wright wrote:

                                      If a particle could exist isolated in space, then it could have no motion or position, because both are meaningless without a frame of reference.

                                      A great way to look at it. Additionally, gravity extends to infinity. So, unless Hines here were somehow able to create a pocket universe with only a single particle it is not reasonable to discuss such thing.

                                      Sovereign ingredient for a happy marriage: Pay cash or do without. Interest charges not only eat up a household budget; awareness of debt eats up domestic felicity. --Lazarus Long Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell

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                                      Chris Austin wrote:

                                      gravity extends to infinity

                                      I have a problem with theories like that. I recently attended a class on using current transformers for measuring currents in power distribution lines, and asked a question of the instructor. I thought it was a simple question, "What is the maximum diameter of a current transformer, with respect to the conductor diameter passing through it, to yield an accurate measurement?" Apparently it wasn't an easy question. The instructor wrote down my question and went back to his company to ask the engineers, then he phoned me weeks later with the answer, "It doesn't matter." I don't buy it. In case you don't know, a current transformer is a multi-turn loop of wire on a toroid, placed around a single conductor carrying the current to be measured. According to theory, all current passing through the hole in the toroid will couple with the conductors around the toroid in an inverse proportion to the number of turns. So, theoretically, if I have a CT with 10 turns, with a conductor carrying 1 amp in the middle, the CT output should be 1/10 amp. That actually works in practice, but one normally uses a CT that isn't more than a few times the diameter of the primary conductor. But what if I'm measuring a current of 1 amp on a 20 gauge wire, but the only CT I have in stock is 10' in diameter? Theoretically, it "doesn't matter." In practice, though, I don't believe that all the flux generated by that tiny wire will ever reach the CT core, let alone correctly register the measured value. It has to do with the value of M - the mutual inductance - of the physical setup, and I'm surprised that no one in the industry has explored it. Some day I'm going to test it, since it seems that no one else ever has in the power industry. Infinity is a great concept for mathematicians, but in the real world it gets a little vague. I'm thinking there's something equivalent to M in the arena of gravitation, and some physical properties control how far gravity can extend its influence. I haven't a clue how to check that, but somebody ought to. I'll bet my physics professors breathed a collective sigh of relief when I changed my major to electrical engineering... :-O

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                                        What properties of matter determines its position in the universe?

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                                          What properties of matter determines its position in the universe?

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                                          smcnulty2000
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                                          Is this a general question or do you need to determine where some matter is?

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