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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Well you know if he is white, right-wing, or a so called Christan they will certainly emphasis those points and drill it into your head. That is why being white, right, and strait makes you an extremist.
Have you considered playing football? You're great at catching a little thing, and just running with it. Just remember to stop when you get to the end zone. ;)
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Daniel Ferguson wrote:
Just remember to stop when you get to the end zone. Wink
And just where is this 'end zone' you speak of?
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Daniel Ferguson wrote:
Just remember to stop when you get to the end zone. Wink
And just where is this 'end zone' you speak of?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
And just where is this 'end zone' you speak of?
'bout 20 feet behind you. :P
You never ever could win a war / That's what you have to learn / Here everybody is a loser / You will get nothing in return - "Fortunes of War", Funker Vogt
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
And just where is this 'end zone' you speak of?
'bout 20 feet behind you. :P
You never ever could win a war / That's what you have to learn / Here everybody is a loser / You will get nothing in return - "Fortunes of War", Funker Vogt
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
You never ever could win a war / That's what you have to learn / Here everybody is a loser / You will get nothing in return
Our financiers make massive profits off of war.
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I keep being irritated by the difference in the media coverage between the death of a museum guard killed by a racist and the death of a soldier killed by a racist. It appears that because some racists like to masquerade as being conservatives who want to kill blacks and Jews while others like to pretend they are inspired by their God to kill whites there is a wide dichotomy in the amount of interest your average CNN/CBS/NBC anchor evinces in the story. Indeed, I'm beginning to think that the D.C. killers Naval service during WWII is getting more air-time than was devoted to reporting on the assasination of a PFC who was about to head off to Afghanistan. Here's a clue for Katie, and all the rest: Racists killers aren't left-wing or right-wing; they're sick, twisted, paranoid murderers. Period. So you can fracking well stop choosing up sides.
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Oakman wrote:
Racists killers aren't left-wing or right-wing; they're sick, twisted, paranoid murderers.
I hear what you're saying. The victims in either case are just as dead. The killers are still killers. I think there's some value in asking why they became killers. What is it about their worldview that made them want to do it? Is there anything we can learn from that so it doesn't happen again? The problem is when the focus shifts from the killer as an individual to the group that they belong to. As an example, take the Islamic militant terrorists. They probably wouldn't be terrorists if they didn't belong to the group and yet not all Islamic or Muslim people are terrorists, so membership alone isn't what makes them terrorists. It's probably this set of factors: their personal lives are difficult, they don't have something to work for or much hope (nothing to lose) and they belong to a group of very-religious people who have similar lives. The religious group feeds off each other to become a movement and they lash out at the people they hold responsible for their hard lives. Thus, the key to stopping it is not to fight against the religion, but to try to bring stability to the lives of those people (and/or their countries) and to oppose the religion becoming a violent movement. I've noticed that people who go on shooting rampages have often recently lost their jobs. "Although he left no suicide note and gave no explanation for the killings, investigators said Ratzmann was on the verge of losing his job. It was unclear what prompted the slayings." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7167861/page/2/[^] "He was also distraught that he had lost his job at a Shop Vac manufacturing plant in Endicott, N.Y., which the company closed last year." http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-04-04-newyork-shooting-saturday_N.htm[^] "Hawkins recently broke up with his girlfriend and lost his job at McDonald's." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315441,00.html[
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Daniel Ferguson wrote:
You never ever could win a war / That's what you have to learn / Here everybody is a loser / You will get nothing in return
Our financiers make massive profits off of war.
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Our financiers make massive profits off of war.
You never ever could win a war / That's what you have to learn / Here everybody is a loser / You will get nothing in return - "Fortunes of War", Funker Vogt
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Oakman wrote:
Racists killers aren't left-wing or right-wing; they're sick, twisted, paranoid murderers.
I hear what you're saying. The victims in either case are just as dead. The killers are still killers. I think there's some value in asking why they became killers. What is it about their worldview that made them want to do it? Is there anything we can learn from that so it doesn't happen again? The problem is when the focus shifts from the killer as an individual to the group that they belong to. As an example, take the Islamic militant terrorists. They probably wouldn't be terrorists if they didn't belong to the group and yet not all Islamic or Muslim people are terrorists, so membership alone isn't what makes them terrorists. It's probably this set of factors: their personal lives are difficult, they don't have something to work for or much hope (nothing to lose) and they belong to a group of very-religious people who have similar lives. The religious group feeds off each other to become a movement and they lash out at the people they hold responsible for their hard lives. Thus, the key to stopping it is not to fight against the religion, but to try to bring stability to the lives of those people (and/or their countries) and to oppose the religion becoming a violent movement. I've noticed that people who go on shooting rampages have often recently lost their jobs. "Although he left no suicide note and gave no explanation for the killings, investigators said Ratzmann was on the verge of losing his job. It was unclear what prompted the slayings." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7167861/page/2/[^] "He was also distraught that he had lost his job at a Shop Vac manufacturing plant in Endicott, N.Y., which the company closed last year." http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-04-04-newyork-shooting-saturday_N.htm[^] "Hawkins recently broke up with his girlfriend and lost his job at McDonald's." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315441,00.html[
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
Seems that hardship and resentment are the two key factors, with group membership being a close third.
I think that people lash out when they feel powerless. Of course the economic problems we'e had this last year have made a lot of people feel that way and only a handful have become violent. My guess is that the group think makes the rage seem respectable, even noble, but the rage or hatred predates and causes the search for the group. I just wish NBC et al didn't react with a hohum a muslim killed a white soldier while pissing it their pants because a white guy killed a black guard. And I wish they'd focus on the victims not the criminals. Making them famous will make them into role models for some.
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Daniel Ferguson wrote:
Seems that hardship and resentment are the two key factors, with group membership being a close third.
I think that people lash out when they feel powerless. Of course the economic problems we'e had this last year have made a lot of people feel that way and only a handful have become violent. My guess is that the group think makes the rage seem respectable, even noble, but the rage or hatred predates and causes the search for the group. I just wish NBC et al didn't react with a hohum a muslim killed a white soldier while pissing it their pants because a white guy killed a black guard. And I wish they'd focus on the victims not the criminals. Making them famous will make them into role models for some.
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Oakman wrote:
I just wish NBC et al didn't react with a hohum a muslim killed a white soldier while pissing it their pants because a white guy killed a black guard.
They are never going to do that. It is called propaganda. They have a plan, a purpose. They were the force behind Obama being elected as our president and they are going to continue to be the force behind his agenda.
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Oakman wrote:
Racists killers aren't left-wing or right-wing; they're sick, twisted, paranoid murderers.
I hear what you're saying. The victims in either case are just as dead. The killers are still killers. I think there's some value in asking why they became killers. What is it about their worldview that made them want to do it? Is there anything we can learn from that so it doesn't happen again? The problem is when the focus shifts from the killer as an individual to the group that they belong to. As an example, take the Islamic militant terrorists. They probably wouldn't be terrorists if they didn't belong to the group and yet not all Islamic or Muslim people are terrorists, so membership alone isn't what makes them terrorists. It's probably this set of factors: their personal lives are difficult, they don't have something to work for or much hope (nothing to lose) and they belong to a group of very-religious people who have similar lives. The religious group feeds off each other to become a movement and they lash out at the people they hold responsible for their hard lives. Thus, the key to stopping it is not to fight against the religion, but to try to bring stability to the lives of those people (and/or their countries) and to oppose the religion becoming a violent movement. I've noticed that people who go on shooting rampages have often recently lost their jobs. "Although he left no suicide note and gave no explanation for the killings, investigators said Ratzmann was on the verge of losing his job. It was unclear what prompted the slayings." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7167861/page/2/[^] "He was also distraught that he had lost his job at a Shop Vac manufacturing plant in Endicott, N.Y., which the company closed last year." http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-04-04-newyork-shooting-saturday_N.htm[^] "Hawkins recently broke up with his girlfriend and lost his job at McDonald's." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315441,00.html[
So disastisfied people are more likely to kill than satisfied people are? Did you figure that out all by yourself? The point isn't why they kill, the point is the obvious disparity in responses to the various acts. Of course disgruntled extremists kill, that is to be expected. You will never so perfectly design a society that will eliminate those kinds of acts. But what is not to be expected is a mass media that so blatantly promotes a narrative that serves a world view they champion while ignoring those which they do not. What I have noticed is that when it is obvious that the killers are promoting the same narrative as liberals, which was true in two of these cases, we suddenly have a debate about 'oh lets not call it left vs right' but when it is clearly a case of someone killing for a reason more associated with the so called right, as in the Tiller case, there is no such debate. Its all 'damn the conservatives' all day long. Liberals never examine the consequencies of their own rhetoric.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Oakman wrote:
Racists killers aren't left-wing or right-wing; they're sick, twisted, paranoid murderers.
I hear what you're saying. The victims in either case are just as dead. The killers are still killers. I think there's some value in asking why they became killers. What is it about their worldview that made them want to do it? Is there anything we can learn from that so it doesn't happen again? The problem is when the focus shifts from the killer as an individual to the group that they belong to. As an example, take the Islamic militant terrorists. They probably wouldn't be terrorists if they didn't belong to the group and yet not all Islamic or Muslim people are terrorists, so membership alone isn't what makes them terrorists. It's probably this set of factors: their personal lives are difficult, they don't have something to work for or much hope (nothing to lose) and they belong to a group of very-religious people who have similar lives. The religious group feeds off each other to become a movement and they lash out at the people they hold responsible for their hard lives. Thus, the key to stopping it is not to fight against the religion, but to try to bring stability to the lives of those people (and/or their countries) and to oppose the religion becoming a violent movement. I've noticed that people who go on shooting rampages have often recently lost their jobs. "Although he left no suicide note and gave no explanation for the killings, investigators said Ratzmann was on the verge of losing his job. It was unclear what prompted the slayings." http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7167861/page/2/[^] "He was also distraught that he had lost his job at a Shop Vac manufacturing plant in Endicott, N.Y., which the company closed last year." http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-04-04-newyork-shooting-saturday_N.htm[^] "Hawkins recently broke up with his girlfriend and lost his job at McDonald's." http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315441,00.html[
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
. What is it about their worldview that made them want to do it?
He was a member of Mensa, we need to scrutinize that group more. He didn't pay his Mensa dues, he's a cheap skate, cheap people need to be scrutinized. He believed Bush and the Trilateral Commission deliberately flew the planes into the World Trade Center... --- The Muslim that killed the recruiting soldier... well they do that sort of thing don't need to spend any more time on that :wtf:
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Daniel Ferguson wrote:
. What is it about their worldview that made them want to do it?
He was a member of Mensa, we need to scrutinize that group more. He didn't pay his Mensa dues, he's a cheap skate, cheap people need to be scrutinized. He believed Bush and the Trilateral Commission deliberately flew the planes into the World Trade Center... --- The Muslim that killed the recruiting soldier... well they do that sort of thing don't need to spend any more time on that :wtf:
kmg365 wrote:
He was a member of Mensa
kmg365 wrote:
He believed Bush and the Trilateral Commission deliberately flew the planes into the World Trade Center...
Wow, there's a juxtaposition that I would not have expected. Guess you can be smart and dumb at the same time.
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kmg365 wrote:
He was a member of Mensa
kmg365 wrote:
He believed Bush and the Trilateral Commission deliberately flew the planes into the World Trade Center...
Wow, there's a juxtaposition that I would not have expected. Guess you can be smart and dumb at the same time.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
Christian Graus wrote:
Wow, there's a juxtaposition that I would not have expected. Guess you can be smart and dumb at the same time.
How does knowing 911 was an inside job make him dumb?
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So disastisfied people are more likely to kill than satisfied people are? Did you figure that out all by yourself? The point isn't why they kill, the point is the obvious disparity in responses to the various acts. Of course disgruntled extremists kill, that is to be expected. You will never so perfectly design a society that will eliminate those kinds of acts. But what is not to be expected is a mass media that so blatantly promotes a narrative that serves a world view they champion while ignoring those which they do not. What I have noticed is that when it is obvious that the killers are promoting the same narrative as liberals, which was true in two of these cases, we suddenly have a debate about 'oh lets not call it left vs right' but when it is clearly a case of someone killing for a reason more associated with the so called right, as in the Tiller case, there is no such debate. Its all 'damn the conservatives' all day long. Liberals never examine the consequencies of their own rhetoric.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
So disastisfied people are more likely to kill than satisfied people are? Did you figure that out all by yourself?
Yes, what I wrote was a obvious. I went off on a bit of a tangent too, because I like to think about things in general terms and then apply that thinking back to the specific situations. I should have said that the killing of the museum guard and the killing of the soldiers were both racist gun rampages.
Stan Shannon wrote:
killing for a reason more associated with the so called right, as in the Tiller case, there is no such debate. Its all 'damn the conservatives' all day long
I tried to make a point in my previous post that it's extremists who are the problem, not conservatives or liberals. Tiller's killer is associated with the right, but the vast majority of right-wing people are not extremists. Killing for a left-wing agenda is wrong too.
Stan Shannon wrote:
But what is not to be expected is a mass media that so blatantly promotes a narrative that serves a world view they champion while ignoring those which they do not.
You're talking about Fox News here, right? ;) Seriously though, there's a lot of biased reporting and way too much editorializing in the news these days. If it gets any worse, there will be a line of bouncing cheerleaders behind the news anchors.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Wow, there's a juxtaposition that I would not have expected. Guess you can be smart and dumb at the same time.
How does knowing 911 was an inside job make him dumb?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How does knowing 911 was an inside job make him dumb?
It makes him smart, right?
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So disastisfied people are more likely to kill than satisfied people are? Did you figure that out all by yourself? The point isn't why they kill, the point is the obvious disparity in responses to the various acts. Of course disgruntled extremists kill, that is to be expected. You will never so perfectly design a society that will eliminate those kinds of acts. But what is not to be expected is a mass media that so blatantly promotes a narrative that serves a world view they champion while ignoring those which they do not. What I have noticed is that when it is obvious that the killers are promoting the same narrative as liberals, which was true in two of these cases, we suddenly have a debate about 'oh lets not call it left vs right' but when it is clearly a case of someone killing for a reason more associated with the so called right, as in the Tiller case, there is no such debate. Its all 'damn the conservatives' all day long. Liberals never examine the consequencies of their own rhetoric.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Liberals never examine the consequencies of their own rhetoric.
In the same way that every Muslim never leaves the house without some sort of explosive strapped to their chest. In the same way that every gay person has AIDS and is determined to destroy heterosexuality. In the same way that every Christian believes in Creationism and a young earth.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Wow, there's a juxtaposition that I would not have expected. Guess you can be smart and dumb at the same time.
How does knowing 911 was an inside job make him dumb?
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
I think you need to re-examine your life. Three thousand people died that day, probably all of them better people than you. For some people their apparently ordinary day turned into a decision as to whether they wanted to burn to their deaths, or jump to their deaths. You need to grow the fuck up and accept reality, or become another Gene Ray. :doh:
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Christian Graus wrote:
Wow, there's a juxtaposition that I would not have expected. Guess you can be smart and dumb at the same time.
How does knowing 911 was an inside job make him dumb?
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
your belief of things that are plainly ludicrous, are one reason I've decided you're schizophrenic, and why I've stopped replying to you, because I don't want to encourage you're illness. I am being serious. Only someone who is delusional, or retarded, would believe that 9/11 was an inside job.
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your belief of things that are plainly ludicrous, are one reason I've decided you're schizophrenic, and why I've stopped replying to you, because I don't want to encourage you're illness. I am being serious. Only someone who is delusional, or retarded, would believe that 9/11 was an inside job.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
Christian Graus wrote:
because I don't want to encourage you're illness.
I don't think schizophrenia will go away if you ignore it for long enough.
Christian Graus wrote:
Only someone who is delusional, or retarded, would believe that 9/11 was an inside job.
True.
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Christian Graus wrote:
because I don't want to encourage you're illness.
I don't think schizophrenia will go away if you ignore it for long enough.
Christian Graus wrote:
Only someone who is delusional, or retarded, would believe that 9/11 was an inside job.
True.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
I don't think schizophrenia will go away if you ignore it for long enough.
I agree, but enabling it by discussing his delusions, is not helping him, either.
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
I don't think schizophrenia will go away if you ignore it for long enough.
I agree, but enabling it by discussing his delusions, is not helping him, either.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
Christian Graus wrote:
I agree, but enabling it by discussing his delusions, is not helping him, either.
Probably not. I have a hard time ignoring 9/11 conspiracy theory though.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I agree, but enabling it by discussing his delusions, is not helping him, either.
Probably not. I have a hard time ignoring 9/11 conspiracy theory though.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
I have a hard time ignoring 9/11 conspiracy theory though.
Me too. It's so obviously retarded, on so many levels. And the story behind the theories is so widely documented, there's no excuse for buying into it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp