I should know better, but [modified]
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Daniel Ferguson wrote:
. What is it about their worldview that made them want to do it?
He was a member of Mensa, we need to scrutinize that group more. He didn't pay his Mensa dues, he's a cheap skate, cheap people need to be scrutinized. He believed Bush and the Trilateral Commission deliberately flew the planes into the World Trade Center... --- The Muslim that killed the recruiting soldier... well they do that sort of thing don't need to spend any more time on that :wtf:
kmg365 wrote:
He was a member of Mensa
kmg365 wrote:
He believed Bush and the Trilateral Commission deliberately flew the planes into the World Trade Center...
Wow, there's a juxtaposition that I would not have expected. Guess you can be smart and dumb at the same time.
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kmg365 wrote:
He was a member of Mensa
kmg365 wrote:
He believed Bush and the Trilateral Commission deliberately flew the planes into the World Trade Center...
Wow, there's a juxtaposition that I would not have expected. Guess you can be smart and dumb at the same time.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
Christian Graus wrote:
Wow, there's a juxtaposition that I would not have expected. Guess you can be smart and dumb at the same time.
How does knowing 911 was an inside job make him dumb?
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
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So disastisfied people are more likely to kill than satisfied people are? Did you figure that out all by yourself? The point isn't why they kill, the point is the obvious disparity in responses to the various acts. Of course disgruntled extremists kill, that is to be expected. You will never so perfectly design a society that will eliminate those kinds of acts. But what is not to be expected is a mass media that so blatantly promotes a narrative that serves a world view they champion while ignoring those which they do not. What I have noticed is that when it is obvious that the killers are promoting the same narrative as liberals, which was true in two of these cases, we suddenly have a debate about 'oh lets not call it left vs right' but when it is clearly a case of someone killing for a reason more associated with the so called right, as in the Tiller case, there is no such debate. Its all 'damn the conservatives' all day long. Liberals never examine the consequencies of their own rhetoric.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
So disastisfied people are more likely to kill than satisfied people are? Did you figure that out all by yourself?
Yes, what I wrote was a obvious. I went off on a bit of a tangent too, because I like to think about things in general terms and then apply that thinking back to the specific situations. I should have said that the killing of the museum guard and the killing of the soldiers were both racist gun rampages.
Stan Shannon wrote:
killing for a reason more associated with the so called right, as in the Tiller case, there is no such debate. Its all 'damn the conservatives' all day long
I tried to make a point in my previous post that it's extremists who are the problem, not conservatives or liberals. Tiller's killer is associated with the right, but the vast majority of right-wing people are not extremists. Killing for a left-wing agenda is wrong too.
Stan Shannon wrote:
But what is not to be expected is a mass media that so blatantly promotes a narrative that serves a world view they champion while ignoring those which they do not.
You're talking about Fox News here, right? ;) Seriously though, there's a lot of biased reporting and way too much editorializing in the news these days. If it gets any worse, there will be a line of bouncing cheerleaders behind the news anchors.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Wow, there's a juxtaposition that I would not have expected. Guess you can be smart and dumb at the same time.
How does knowing 911 was an inside job make him dumb?
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How does knowing 911 was an inside job make him dumb?
It makes him smart, right?
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So disastisfied people are more likely to kill than satisfied people are? Did you figure that out all by yourself? The point isn't why they kill, the point is the obvious disparity in responses to the various acts. Of course disgruntled extremists kill, that is to be expected. You will never so perfectly design a society that will eliminate those kinds of acts. But what is not to be expected is a mass media that so blatantly promotes a narrative that serves a world view they champion while ignoring those which they do not. What I have noticed is that when it is obvious that the killers are promoting the same narrative as liberals, which was true in two of these cases, we suddenly have a debate about 'oh lets not call it left vs right' but when it is clearly a case of someone killing for a reason more associated with the so called right, as in the Tiller case, there is no such debate. Its all 'damn the conservatives' all day long. Liberals never examine the consequencies of their own rhetoric.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Liberals never examine the consequencies of their own rhetoric.
In the same way that every Muslim never leaves the house without some sort of explosive strapped to their chest. In the same way that every gay person has AIDS and is determined to destroy heterosexuality. In the same way that every Christian believes in Creationism and a young earth.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Wow, there's a juxtaposition that I would not have expected. Guess you can be smart and dumb at the same time.
How does knowing 911 was an inside job make him dumb?
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
I think you need to re-examine your life. Three thousand people died that day, probably all of them better people than you. For some people their apparently ordinary day turned into a decision as to whether they wanted to burn to their deaths, or jump to their deaths. You need to grow the fuck up and accept reality, or become another Gene Ray. :doh:
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Christian Graus wrote:
Wow, there's a juxtaposition that I would not have expected. Guess you can be smart and dumb at the same time.
How does knowing 911 was an inside job make him dumb?
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
your belief of things that are plainly ludicrous, are one reason I've decided you're schizophrenic, and why I've stopped replying to you, because I don't want to encourage you're illness. I am being serious. Only someone who is delusional, or retarded, would believe that 9/11 was an inside job.
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your belief of things that are plainly ludicrous, are one reason I've decided you're schizophrenic, and why I've stopped replying to you, because I don't want to encourage you're illness. I am being serious. Only someone who is delusional, or retarded, would believe that 9/11 was an inside job.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
Christian Graus wrote:
because I don't want to encourage you're illness.
I don't think schizophrenia will go away if you ignore it for long enough.
Christian Graus wrote:
Only someone who is delusional, or retarded, would believe that 9/11 was an inside job.
True.
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Christian Graus wrote:
because I don't want to encourage you're illness.
I don't think schizophrenia will go away if you ignore it for long enough.
Christian Graus wrote:
Only someone who is delusional, or retarded, would believe that 9/11 was an inside job.
True.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
I don't think schizophrenia will go away if you ignore it for long enough.
I agree, but enabling it by discussing his delusions, is not helping him, either.
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
I don't think schizophrenia will go away if you ignore it for long enough.
I agree, but enabling it by discussing his delusions, is not helping him, either.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
Christian Graus wrote:
I agree, but enabling it by discussing his delusions, is not helping him, either.
Probably not. I have a hard time ignoring 9/11 conspiracy theory though.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I agree, but enabling it by discussing his delusions, is not helping him, either.
Probably not. I have a hard time ignoring 9/11 conspiracy theory though.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
I have a hard time ignoring 9/11 conspiracy theory though.
Me too. It's so obviously retarded, on so many levels. And the story behind the theories is so widely documented, there's no excuse for buying into it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
I have a hard time ignoring 9/11 conspiracy theory though.
Me too. It's so obviously retarded, on so many levels. And the story behind the theories is so widely documented, there's no excuse for buying into it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
When they start blowing up grainy videos and putting eerie music over the top, then that's it for me. I mean, I'm not advocating the stifling of scientific curiosity just because the event is tragic - in this case, unbelievably so - but it's all been explained, and very satisfactorily so. This is making me remember that day, actually. It was in the morning, and I got up before the rest of my family to watch cartoons - when I saw the news I actually screamed. I remember the people jumping out of the windows... :( .
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When they start blowing up grainy videos and putting eerie music over the top, then that's it for me. I mean, I'm not advocating the stifling of scientific curiosity just because the event is tragic - in this case, unbelievably so - but it's all been explained, and very satisfactorily so. This is making me remember that day, actually. It was in the morning, and I got up before the rest of my family to watch cartoons - when I saw the news I actually screamed. I remember the people jumping out of the windows... :( .
I don't know anyone that doesn't remember where they were and what they were doing at that time. I was on my second last day working as a computer technician during my final year of school. I remember being told by my supervisor that a plane hit one of the two towers. A few seconds later, I was driving home like mad because dad was supposed to be flying that morning from Boston (where my uncle lived) to Los Angeles (business meeting). It was the most harrowing 40 or so hours until we managed to get in touch with my dad. He had been apprehended by the police because he they thought he had a role in the attacks. He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.
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I don't know anyone that doesn't remember where they were and what they were doing at that time. I was on my second last day working as a computer technician during my final year of school. I remember being told by my supervisor that a plane hit one of the two towers. A few seconds later, I was driving home like mad because dad was supposed to be flying that morning from Boston (where my uncle lived) to Los Angeles (business meeting). It was the most harrowing 40 or so hours until we managed to get in touch with my dad. He had been apprehended by the police because he they thought he had a role in the attacks. He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.
:wtf: Holy crap...
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Christian Graus wrote:
I agree, but enabling it by discussing his delusions, is not helping him, either.
Probably not. I have a hard time ignoring 9/11 conspiracy theory though.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
I have a hard time ignoring 9/11 conspiracy theory though
You seem to get quite a kick out of creating long threads about their nonsense - all you are doing is enabling them to spout it.
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Daniel Ferguson wrote:
Seems that hardship and resentment are the two key factors, with group membership being a close third.
I think that people lash out when they feel powerless. Of course the economic problems we'e had this last year have made a lot of people feel that way and only a handful have become violent. My guess is that the group think makes the rage seem respectable, even noble, but the rage or hatred predates and causes the search for the group. I just wish NBC et al didn't react with a hohum a muslim killed a white soldier while pissing it their pants because a white guy killed a black guard. And I wish they'd focus on the victims not the criminals. Making them famous will make them into role models for some.
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Oakman wrote:
And I wish they'd focus on the victims not the criminals.
The media fails us dreadfully, in this regard. It is most often the name of the murderer that is used to denote the event as opposed to using the victim's name. We all should do more to remember and memorialize those that have been wrongfully taken from us all. :)
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I don't know anyone that doesn't remember where they were and what they were doing at that time. I was on my second last day working as a computer technician during my final year of school. I remember being told by my supervisor that a plane hit one of the two towers. A few seconds later, I was driving home like mad because dad was supposed to be flying that morning from Boston (where my uncle lived) to Los Angeles (business meeting). It was the most harrowing 40 or so hours until we managed to get in touch with my dad. He had been apprehended by the police because he they thought he had a role in the attacks. He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.
No wonder you and oakman get along so well...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
I have a hard time ignoring 9/11 conspiracy theory though
You seem to get quite a kick out of creating long threads about their nonsense - all you are doing is enabling them to spout it.
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Oakman wrote:
all you are doing is enabling them to spout it.
There's nothing stopping them with or without me.
Oakman wrote:
You seem to get quite a kick out of creating long threads about their nonsense
One short thread not even created by me.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.
:wtf: Holy crap...
Yeah, that was the least of what was going through my mind at the time.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.
No wonder you and oakman get along so well...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Jon and I see eye to eye on many things. I've argued with him time and again on many things and I'll say with all honesty, learned quite a bit from the man. He's smart, been through a lot, knowledgeable, articulate and is not easily fooled. If I ever get to meet him in person it would be a privilege. Your point was?
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