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  • C CaptainSeeSharp

    Christian Graus wrote:

    Wow, there's a juxtaposition that I would not have expected. Guess you can be smart and dumb at the same time.

    How does knowing 911 was an inside job make him dumb?

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    CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

    How does knowing 911 was an inside job make him dumb?

    It makes him smart, right?

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      So disastisfied people are more likely to kill than satisfied people are? Did you figure that out all by yourself? The point isn't why they kill, the point is the obvious disparity in responses to the various acts. Of course disgruntled extremists kill, that is to be expected. You will never so perfectly design a society that will eliminate those kinds of acts. But what is not to be expected is a mass media that so blatantly promotes a narrative that serves a world view they champion while ignoring those which they do not. What I have noticed is that when it is obvious that the killers are promoting the same narrative as liberals, which was true in two of these cases, we suddenly have a debate about 'oh lets not call it left vs right' but when it is clearly a case of someone killing for a reason more associated with the so called right, as in the Tiller case, there is no such debate. Its all 'damn the conservatives' all day long. Liberals never examine the consequencies of their own rhetoric.

      Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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      Stan Shannon wrote:

      Liberals never examine the consequencies of their own rhetoric.

      In the same way that every Muslim never leaves the house without some sort of explosive strapped to their chest. In the same way that every gay person has AIDS and is determined to destroy heterosexuality. In the same way that every Christian believes in Creationism and a young earth.

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      • C CaptainSeeSharp

        Christian Graus wrote:

        Wow, there's a juxtaposition that I would not have expected. Guess you can be smart and dumb at the same time.

        How does knowing 911 was an inside job make him dumb?

        Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.

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        I think you need to re-examine your life. Three thousand people died that day, probably all of them better people than you. For some people their apparently ordinary day turned into a decision as to whether they wanted to burn to their deaths, or jump to their deaths. You need to grow the fuck up and accept reality, or become another Gene Ray. :doh:

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        • C CaptainSeeSharp

          Christian Graus wrote:

          Wow, there's a juxtaposition that I would not have expected. Guess you can be smart and dumb at the same time.

          How does knowing 911 was an inside job make him dumb?

          Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.

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          Christian Graus
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          your belief of things that are plainly ludicrous, are one reason I've decided you're schizophrenic, and why I've stopped replying to you, because I don't want to encourage you're illness. I am being serious. Only someone who is delusional, or retarded, would believe that 9/11 was an inside job.

          Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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          • C Christian Graus

            your belief of things that are plainly ludicrous, are one reason I've decided you're schizophrenic, and why I've stopped replying to you, because I don't want to encourage you're illness. I am being serious. Only someone who is delusional, or retarded, would believe that 9/11 was an inside job.

            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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            Christian Graus wrote:

            because I don't want to encourage you're illness.

            I don't think schizophrenia will go away if you ignore it for long enough.

            Christian Graus wrote:

            Only someone who is delusional, or retarded, would believe that 9/11 was an inside job.

            True.

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              Christian Graus wrote:

              because I don't want to encourage you're illness.

              I don't think schizophrenia will go away if you ignore it for long enough.

              Christian Graus wrote:

              Only someone who is delusional, or retarded, would believe that 9/11 was an inside job.

              True.

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              Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

              I don't think schizophrenia will go away if you ignore it for long enough.

              I agree, but enabling it by discussing his delusions, is not helping him, either.

              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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              • C Christian Graus

                Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

                I don't think schizophrenia will go away if you ignore it for long enough.

                I agree, but enabling it by discussing his delusions, is not helping him, either.

                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                Christian Graus wrote:

                I agree, but enabling it by discussing his delusions, is not helping him, either.

                Probably not. I have a hard time ignoring 9/11 conspiracy theory though.

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                  Christian Graus wrote:

                  I agree, but enabling it by discussing his delusions, is not helping him, either.

                  Probably not. I have a hard time ignoring 9/11 conspiracy theory though.

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                  Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

                  I have a hard time ignoring 9/11 conspiracy theory though.

                  Me too. It's so obviously retarded, on so many levels. And the story behind the theories is so widely documented, there's no excuse for buying into it.

                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                  • C Christian Graus

                    Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

                    I have a hard time ignoring 9/11 conspiracy theory though.

                    Me too. It's so obviously retarded, on so many levels. And the story behind the theories is so widely documented, there's no excuse for buying into it.

                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                    soap brain
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                    When they start blowing up grainy videos and putting eerie music over the top, then that's it for me. I mean, I'm not advocating the stifling of scientific curiosity just because the event is tragic - in this case, unbelievably so - but it's all been explained, and very satisfactorily so. This is making me remember that day, actually. It was in the morning, and I got up before the rest of my family to watch cartoons - when I saw the news I actually screamed. I remember the people jumping out of the windows... :( .

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                      When they start blowing up grainy videos and putting eerie music over the top, then that's it for me. I mean, I'm not advocating the stifling of scientific curiosity just because the event is tragic - in this case, unbelievably so - but it's all been explained, and very satisfactorily so. This is making me remember that day, actually. It was in the morning, and I got up before the rest of my family to watch cartoons - when I saw the news I actually screamed. I remember the people jumping out of the windows... :( .

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                      I don't know anyone that doesn't remember where they were and what they were doing at that time. I was on my second last day working as a computer technician during my final year of school. I remember being told by my supervisor that a plane hit one of the two towers. A few seconds later, I was driving home like mad because dad was supposed to be flying that morning from Boston (where my uncle lived) to Los Angeles (business meeting). It was the most harrowing 40 or so hours until we managed to get in touch with my dad. He had been apprehended by the police because he they thought he had a role in the attacks. He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.

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                      • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                        I don't know anyone that doesn't remember where they were and what they were doing at that time. I was on my second last day working as a computer technician during my final year of school. I remember being told by my supervisor that a plane hit one of the two towers. A few seconds later, I was driving home like mad because dad was supposed to be flying that morning from Boston (where my uncle lived) to Los Angeles (business meeting). It was the most harrowing 40 or so hours until we managed to get in touch with my dad. He had been apprehended by the police because he they thought he had a role in the attacks. He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.

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                        Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

                        He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.

                        :wtf: Holy crap...

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                        • S soap brain

                          Christian Graus wrote:

                          I agree, but enabling it by discussing his delusions, is not helping him, either.

                          Probably not. I have a hard time ignoring 9/11 conspiracy theory though.

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                          Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

                          I have a hard time ignoring 9/11 conspiracy theory though

                          You seem to get quite a kick out of creating long threads about their nonsense - all you are doing is enabling them to spout it.

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                            Daniel Ferguson wrote:

                            Seems that hardship and resentment are the two key factors, with group membership being a close third.

                            I think that people lash out when they feel powerless. Of course the economic problems we'e had this last year have made a lot of people feel that way and only a handful have become violent. My guess is that the group think makes the rage seem respectable, even noble, but the rage or hatred predates and causes the search for the group. I just wish NBC et al didn't react with a hohum a muslim killed a white soldier while pissing it their pants because a white guy killed a black guard. And I wish they'd focus on the victims not the criminals. Making them famous will make them into role models for some.

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                            Oakman wrote:

                            And I wish they'd focus on the victims not the criminals.

                            The media fails us dreadfully, in this regard. It is most often the name of the murderer that is used to denote the event as opposed to using the victim's name. We all should do more to remember and memorialize those that have been wrongfully taken from us all. :)

                            Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]

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                            • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                              I don't know anyone that doesn't remember where they were and what they were doing at that time. I was on my second last day working as a computer technician during my final year of school. I remember being told by my supervisor that a plane hit one of the two towers. A few seconds later, I was driving home like mad because dad was supposed to be flying that morning from Boston (where my uncle lived) to Los Angeles (business meeting). It was the most harrowing 40 or so hours until we managed to get in touch with my dad. He had been apprehended by the police because he they thought he had a role in the attacks. He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.

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                              Stan Shannon
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                              Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

                              He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.

                              No wonder you and oakman get along so well...

                              Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                                Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

                                I have a hard time ignoring 9/11 conspiracy theory though

                                You seem to get quite a kick out of creating long threads about their nonsense - all you are doing is enabling them to spout it.

                                Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin

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                                Oakman wrote:

                                all you are doing is enabling them to spout it.

                                There's nothing stopping them with or without me.

                                Oakman wrote:

                                You seem to get quite a kick out of creating long threads about their nonsense

                                One short thread not even created by me.

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                                  Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

                                  He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.

                                  :wtf: Holy crap...

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                                  Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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                                  Yeah, that was the least of what was going through my mind at the time.

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                                    Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:

                                    He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.

                                    No wonder you and oakman get along so well...

                                    Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.

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                                    Jon and I see eye to eye on many things. I've argued with him time and again on many things and I'll say with all honesty, learned quite a bit from the man. He's smart, been through a lot, knowledgeable, articulate and is not easily fooled. If I ever get to meet him in person it would be a privilege. Your point was?

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                                      I think you need to re-examine your life. Three thousand people died that day, probably all of them better people than you. For some people their apparently ordinary day turned into a decision as to whether they wanted to burn to their deaths, or jump to their deaths. You need to grow the fuck up and accept reality, or become another Gene Ray. :doh:

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                                      CaptainSeeSharp
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                                      Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

                                      You need to grow the f*** up and accept reality

                                      9/11 was a planed event by the US government to help establish a police state. Over 90% of the family members of someone that died believe 9/11 was a fraud. Google about building 7, it was imploded. You are a science geek right? Research it.

                                      Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.

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                                      • C Christian Graus

                                        your belief of things that are plainly ludicrous, are one reason I've decided you're schizophrenic, and why I've stopped replying to you, because I don't want to encourage you're illness. I am being serious. Only someone who is delusional, or retarded, would believe that 9/11 was an inside job.

                                        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                                        CaptainSeeSharp
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                                        Christian Graus wrote:

                                        your belief of things that are plainly ludicrous, are one reason I've decided you're schizophrenic, and why I've stopped replying to you, because I don't want to encourage you're illness. I am being serious. Only someone who is delusional, or retarded, would believe that 9/11 was an inside job.

                                        I'm not schizophrenic. I know more about psychology than you do, I don't have little friends in my head. I don't here people talking to me, I don't see things, I don't believe in ghosts. :rolleyes:

                                        Christian Graus wrote:

                                        Only someone who is delusional, or retarded, would believe that 9/11 was an inside job.

                                        Over 90% of the family members of someone that died believe 9/11 was a fraud by the government. You need to wake the fuck up. Google around about Building 7. It was a controlled implosion.

                                        Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.

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                                        • C CaptainSeeSharp

                                          Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

                                          You need to grow the f*** up and accept reality

                                          9/11 was a planed event by the US government to help establish a police state. Over 90% of the family members of someone that died believe 9/11 was a fraud. Google about building 7, it was imploded. You are a science geek right? Research it.

                                          Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.

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                                          I have researched it, and have come to the conclusion that you're very wrong. There's no way that they could've planted sufficient explosives in the buildings beforehand without being noticed. You may be too stupid to know this, but it literally takes months of setting up to demolish a building of those sizes. It's a big production, one that certainly would not have gone unnoticed by the thousands of people working there every hour of every single day.

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