I should know better, but [modified]
-
When they start blowing up grainy videos and putting eerie music over the top, then that's it for me. I mean, I'm not advocating the stifling of scientific curiosity just because the event is tragic - in this case, unbelievably so - but it's all been explained, and very satisfactorily so. This is making me remember that day, actually. It was in the morning, and I got up before the rest of my family to watch cartoons - when I saw the news I actually screamed. I remember the people jumping out of the windows... :( .
I don't know anyone that doesn't remember where they were and what they were doing at that time. I was on my second last day working as a computer technician during my final year of school. I remember being told by my supervisor that a plane hit one of the two towers. A few seconds later, I was driving home like mad because dad was supposed to be flying that morning from Boston (where my uncle lived) to Los Angeles (business meeting). It was the most harrowing 40 or so hours until we managed to get in touch with my dad. He had been apprehended by the police because he they thought he had a role in the attacks. He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.
If the post was helpful, please vote! Current activities: Book: Devils by Fyodor Dostoyevsky Project: Hospital Automation, final stage Learning: Image analysis, LINQ Now and forever, defiant to the end. What is Multiple Sclerosis[^]?
-
I don't know anyone that doesn't remember where they were and what they were doing at that time. I was on my second last day working as a computer technician during my final year of school. I remember being told by my supervisor that a plane hit one of the two towers. A few seconds later, I was driving home like mad because dad was supposed to be flying that morning from Boston (where my uncle lived) to Los Angeles (business meeting). It was the most harrowing 40 or so hours until we managed to get in touch with my dad. He had been apprehended by the police because he they thought he had a role in the attacks. He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.
If the post was helpful, please vote! Current activities: Book: Devils by Fyodor Dostoyevsky Project: Hospital Automation, final stage Learning: Image analysis, LINQ Now and forever, defiant to the end. What is Multiple Sclerosis[^]?
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.
:wtf: Holy crap...
-
Christian Graus wrote:
I agree, but enabling it by discussing his delusions, is not helping him, either.
Probably not. I have a hard time ignoring 9/11 conspiracy theory though.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
I have a hard time ignoring 9/11 conspiracy theory though
You seem to get quite a kick out of creating long threads about their nonsense - all you are doing is enabling them to spout it.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
-
Daniel Ferguson wrote:
Seems that hardship and resentment are the two key factors, with group membership being a close third.
I think that people lash out when they feel powerless. Of course the economic problems we'e had this last year have made a lot of people feel that way and only a handful have become violent. My guess is that the group think makes the rage seem respectable, even noble, but the rage or hatred predates and causes the search for the group. I just wish NBC et al didn't react with a hohum a muslim killed a white soldier while pissing it their pants because a white guy killed a black guard. And I wish they'd focus on the victims not the criminals. Making them famous will make them into role models for some.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
And I wish they'd focus on the victims not the criminals.
The media fails us dreadfully, in this regard. It is most often the name of the murderer that is used to denote the event as opposed to using the victim's name. We all should do more to remember and memorialize those that have been wrongfully taken from us all. :)
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]
-
I don't know anyone that doesn't remember where they were and what they were doing at that time. I was on my second last day working as a computer technician during my final year of school. I remember being told by my supervisor that a plane hit one of the two towers. A few seconds later, I was driving home like mad because dad was supposed to be flying that morning from Boston (where my uncle lived) to Los Angeles (business meeting). It was the most harrowing 40 or so hours until we managed to get in touch with my dad. He had been apprehended by the police because he they thought he had a role in the attacks. He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.
If the post was helpful, please vote! Current activities: Book: Devils by Fyodor Dostoyevsky Project: Hospital Automation, final stage Learning: Image analysis, LINQ Now and forever, defiant to the end. What is Multiple Sclerosis[^]?
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.
No wonder you and oakman get along so well...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
-
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
I have a hard time ignoring 9/11 conspiracy theory though
You seem to get quite a kick out of creating long threads about their nonsense - all you are doing is enabling them to spout it.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
Oakman wrote:
all you are doing is enabling them to spout it.
There's nothing stopping them with or without me.
Oakman wrote:
You seem to get quite a kick out of creating long threads about their nonsense
One short thread not even created by me.
-
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.
:wtf: Holy crap...
Yeah, that was the least of what was going through my mind at the time.
If the post was helpful, please vote! Current activities: Book: Devils by Fyodor Dostoyevsky Project: Hospital Automation, final stage Learning: Image analysis, LINQ Now and forever, defiant to the end. What is Multiple Sclerosis[^]?
-
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
He was actually supposed to be on that flight but missed it because of a traffic jam en route to the airport.
No wonder you and oakman get along so well...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Jon and I see eye to eye on many things. I've argued with him time and again on many things and I'll say with all honesty, learned quite a bit from the man. He's smart, been through a lot, knowledgeable, articulate and is not easily fooled. If I ever get to meet him in person it would be a privilege. Your point was?
If the post was helpful, please vote! Current activities: Book: Devils by Fyodor Dostoyevsky Project: Hospital Automation, final stage Learning: Image analysis, LINQ Now and forever, defiant to the end. What is Multiple Sclerosis[^]?
-
I think you need to re-examine your life. Three thousand people died that day, probably all of them better people than you. For some people their apparently ordinary day turned into a decision as to whether they wanted to burn to their deaths, or jump to their deaths. You need to grow the fuck up and accept reality, or become another Gene Ray. :doh:
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
You need to grow the f*** up and accept reality
9/11 was a planed event by the US government to help establish a police state. Over 90% of the family members of someone that died believe 9/11 was a fraud. Google about building 7, it was imploded. You are a science geek right? Research it.
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
-
your belief of things that are plainly ludicrous, are one reason I've decided you're schizophrenic, and why I've stopped replying to you, because I don't want to encourage you're illness. I am being serious. Only someone who is delusional, or retarded, would believe that 9/11 was an inside job.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp
Christian Graus wrote:
your belief of things that are plainly ludicrous, are one reason I've decided you're schizophrenic, and why I've stopped replying to you, because I don't want to encourage you're illness. I am being serious. Only someone who is delusional, or retarded, would believe that 9/11 was an inside job.
I'm not schizophrenic. I know more about psychology than you do, I don't have little friends in my head. I don't here people talking to me, I don't see things, I don't believe in ghosts. :rolleyes:
Christian Graus wrote:
Only someone who is delusional, or retarded, would believe that 9/11 was an inside job.
Over 90% of the family members of someone that died believe 9/11 was a fraud by the government. You need to wake the fuck up. Google around about Building 7. It was a controlled implosion.
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
-
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
You need to grow the f*** up and accept reality
9/11 was a planed event by the US government to help establish a police state. Over 90% of the family members of someone that died believe 9/11 was a fraud. Google about building 7, it was imploded. You are a science geek right? Research it.
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
I have researched it, and have come to the conclusion that you're very wrong. There's no way that they could've planted sufficient explosives in the buildings beforehand without being noticed. You may be too stupid to know this, but it literally takes months of setting up to demolish a building of those sizes. It's a big production, one that certainly would not have gone unnoticed by the thousands of people working there every hour of every single day.
-
I have researched it, and have come to the conclusion that you're very wrong. There's no way that they could've planted sufficient explosives in the buildings beforehand without being noticed. You may be too stupid to know this, but it literally takes months of setting up to demolish a building of those sizes. It's a big production, one that certainly would not have gone unnoticed by the thousands of people working there every hour of every single day.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
It's a big production, one that certainly would not have gone unnoticed by the thousands of people working there every hour of every single day.
It was noticed, and not everyone is in every part of the building 24 hours a day 7 days a week. You should know that. Building 7 was not hit by any plane, it just fell. Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt the steal to cause a collapse like that in any of those buildings. You think you know science? You can't even figure this shit out, you just go with the flow.
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
-
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
It's a big production, one that certainly would not have gone unnoticed by the thousands of people working there every hour of every single day.
It was noticed, and not everyone is in every part of the building 24 hours a day 7 days a week. You should know that. Building 7 was not hit by any plane, it just fell. Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt the steal to cause a collapse like that in any of those buildings. You think you know science? You can't even figure this shit out, you just go with the flow.
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It was noticed, and not everyone is in every part of the building 24 hours a day 7 days a week. You should know that.
It was not noticed, which is strange considering that the building was very secure. And there is no evidence of an explosion in any video or seismological record. Such an explosion would easily have been audible, would have occurred for over ten seconds, and would have blown out most of the windows.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Building 7 was not hit by any plane, it just fell.
Do I have to point out the obvious facts that a building fell on it and that it was on fire?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt the steal to cause a collapse like that in any of those buildings.
Yes it does. http://rustylopez.typepad.com/newcovenant/images/2007/03/30/g3c_2.gif[^] Well, OK, the steel doesn't melt, but as you can plainly see, it weakens significantly. I've seen the videos of the buildings, I've seen the steel twist and warp just before they collapse.
-
Oakman wrote:
left-wing or right-wing
There's a difference?
Oakman wrote:
they're sick, twisted, paranoid murderers. Period. So you can fracking well stop choosing up sides.
Yet this 'right wing' guy who shot up the museum was a neo con hater and apprently a member of mensa... Sounds sort of libertarian to me...
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
Stan Shannon wrote:
sort of libertarian to me
As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.
We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.
Seems to me you have the wrong definition
-
Oakman wrote:
I just wish NBC et al didn't react with a hohum a muslim killed a white soldier while pissing it their pants because a white guy killed a black guard.
They are never going to do that. It is called propaganda. They have a plan, a purpose. They were the force behind Obama being elected as our president and they are going to continue to be the force behind his agenda.
Obloga Obama Blog[^] Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age to produce the sort of character and sort of beliefs that authorities consider desirable. Any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
-
Oakman wrote:
all you are doing is enabling them to spout it.
There's nothing stopping them with or without me.
Oakman wrote:
You seem to get quite a kick out of creating long threads about their nonsense
One short thread not even created by me.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
One short thread not even created by me.
responding to a troll empowers the troll, not your peers and not you.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
-
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
One short thread not even created by me.
responding to a troll empowers the troll, not your peers and not you.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
I want to discuss 9/11 - it's an intellectual exercise. All you ever do is be condescending, which sucks for conversation.
-
Jon and I see eye to eye on many things. I've argued with him time and again on many things and I'll say with all honesty, learned quite a bit from the man. He's smart, been through a lot, knowledgeable, articulate and is not easily fooled. If I ever get to meet him in person it would be a privilege. Your point was?
If the post was helpful, please vote! Current activities: Book: Devils by Fyodor Dostoyevsky Project: Hospital Automation, final stage Learning: Image analysis, LINQ Now and forever, defiant to the end. What is Multiple Sclerosis[^]?
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
If I ever get to meet him in person it would be a privilege.
Ditto. I like men (and women) who have their b.s. detectors turned up high. Doesn't matter whether they agree with me, just so long as they can tell the difference between shit and shinola. (A phrase that dates, me, I'm sure.) Interesting isn't it, how kool-aid drinkers pick far more fights with folks who simply demand honesty from those they interact with than with folks whose kool-aid is a different color but who down it just as quickly?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface Both democrats and republicans are playing for the same team and it's not us. - Chris Austin
-
I want to discuss 9/11 - it's an intellectual exercise. All you ever do is be condescending, which sucks for conversation.
-
Stan Shannon wrote:
sort of libertarian to me
As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty; a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and no one is forced to sacrifice his or her values for the benefit of others.
We believe that respect for individual rights is the essential precondition for a free and prosperous world, that force and fraud must be banished from human relationships, and that only through freedom can peace and prosperity be realized.
Seems to me you have the wrong definition
fred_ wrote:
Seems to me you have the wrong definition
No, that sounds about like my definition - radical individualism. Not to be confused, of course, with the radical eqalitarianism of collectivism. But both are unworkable for any practical purpose, not to mention intellectually unsound. My comment above was simply based upon my observations of libertarians who tend to hang around here.
Chaining ourselves to the moral high ground does not make us good guys. Aside from making us easy targets, it merely makes us idiotic prisoners of our own self loathing.
