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  • P peterchen

    How am I going to download Opera? :rolleyes:

    Don't attribute to stupidity what can be equally well explained by buerocracy.
    My latest article | Linkify!| FoldWithUs! | sighist

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    Pawel Gielmuda
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    This blog post from MS http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windows7/archive/2009/06/12/information-regarding-windows-7-in-europe.aspx[^]

    Given the pending legal proceeding, we’ve decided that instead of including Internet Explorer in Windows 7
    in Europe, we will offer it separately and on an easy-to-install
    basis to both computer manufacturers and users.
    This means that computer manufacturers and users
    will be free to install Internet Explorer on Windows 7,
    or not, as they prefer. Of course, they will also be free,
    as they are today, to install other Web browsers.(...)

    The E versions of Windows 7 will include all the features and functionality of Windows 7
    in the rest of the world, other than browsing with Internet Explorer.
    Computer manufacturers will be able to add any browser they want to their Windows 7 machines,
    including Internet Explorer, so European consumers who purchase new PCs
    will be able to access the Internet without any problem.

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      Write you own! <code>Public Class Form1 Private Sub Form1_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles MyBase.Load 'TODO: This line of code loads data into the 'DavidDB1DataSet.Table1' table. You can move, or remove it, as needed. Me.Table1TableAdapter.Fill(Me.DavidDB1DataSet.Table1) End Sub Private Sub TextBox1_TextChanged(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles TextBox1.TextChanged End Sub Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click 'WebBrowser1.Navigate(TextBox1.Text) Dim oExcel As Object Dim oBook As Object Dim oSheet As Object 'Start a new workbook in Excel oExcel = CreateObject("Excel.Application") oBook = oExcel.Workbooks.Add 'Add data to cells of the first worksheet in the new workbook oSheet = oBook.Worksheets(1) oSheet.Range("A1").Value = "Last Name" oSheet.Range("B1").Value = "First Name" oSheet.Range("A1:B1").Font.Bold = True oSheet.Range("A2").Value = "Doe" oSheet.Range("B2").Value = "John" 'Save the Workbook and Quit Excel oBook.SaveAs("D:\All Files\My Documents\BX 2009\Book1.xlsm") oExcel.Quit() End Sub Private Sub WebBrowser1_DocumentCompleted(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.Windows.Forms.WebBrowserDocumentCompletedEventArgs) Handles WebBrowser1.DocumentCompleted End Sub Private Sub ComboBox1_SelectedIndexChanged(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles ComboBox1.SelectedIndexChanged Dim path As String path = "c:\My Documents\BX 2009\BX Purchase Ledger Daybook 300609(b).xlsm" WebBrowser1.Navigate(path) End Sub End Class

      ------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC

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      Mark C Hagers
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      Hmm, I'm afraid that might not work if IE is not present on the system. It depends whether they will remove all parts (dll's) of IE, or just the UI front end for the "European" release of Win7

      Mark C Hagers New Media Ventures Amersfoort, the Netherlands

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      • P peterchen

        How am I going to download Opera? :rolleyes:

        Don't attribute to stupidity what can be equally well explained by buerocracy.
        My latest article | Linkify!| FoldWithUs! | sighist

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        Stuart Jeffery
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        I foresee 2 possibilities... 1) Sharp Rise in PC Magazine sales just for the cover discs. 2) Sharp Rise in the theft of said cover discs.

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          Hmm, I'm afraid that might not work if IE is not present on the system. It depends whether they will remove all parts (dll's) of IE, or just the UI front end for the "European" release of Win7

          Mark C Hagers New Media Ventures Amersfoort, the Netherlands

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          Dalek Dave
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          I would presume that all the back code would remain, as this is supports VBA apps for XL and Word etc.

          ------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC

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            Write you own! <code>Public Class Form1 Private Sub Form1_Load(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles MyBase.Load 'TODO: This line of code loads data into the 'DavidDB1DataSet.Table1' table. You can move, or remove it, as needed. Me.Table1TableAdapter.Fill(Me.DavidDB1DataSet.Table1) End Sub Private Sub TextBox1_TextChanged(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles TextBox1.TextChanged End Sub Private Sub Button1_Click(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles Button1.Click 'WebBrowser1.Navigate(TextBox1.Text) Dim oExcel As Object Dim oBook As Object Dim oSheet As Object 'Start a new workbook in Excel oExcel = CreateObject("Excel.Application") oBook = oExcel.Workbooks.Add 'Add data to cells of the first worksheet in the new workbook oSheet = oBook.Worksheets(1) oSheet.Range("A1").Value = "Last Name" oSheet.Range("B1").Value = "First Name" oSheet.Range("A1:B1").Font.Bold = True oSheet.Range("A2").Value = "Doe" oSheet.Range("B2").Value = "John" 'Save the Workbook and Quit Excel oBook.SaveAs("D:\All Files\My Documents\BX 2009\Book1.xlsm") oExcel.Quit() End Sub Private Sub WebBrowser1_DocumentCompleted(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.Windows.Forms.WebBrowserDocumentCompletedEventArgs) Handles WebBrowser1.DocumentCompleted End Sub Private Sub ComboBox1_SelectedIndexChanged(ByVal sender As System.Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles ComboBox1.SelectedIndexChanged Dim path As String path = "c:\My Documents\BX 2009\BX Purchase Ledger Daybook 300609(b).xlsm" WebBrowser1.Navigate(path) End Sub End Class

            ------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC

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            Christian Graus
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            Dalek Dave wrote:

            WebBrowser1

            This cuts to the heart of the matter. I presume no browser means that this won't work, so it will be like Windows Media Player ( WPF does not work under XP if you use the Media Element and don't install WMP 10, nor does it give you any sort of intelligent message regarding the fact ). Which is, obviously, a nightmare.

            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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            • P Pawel Gielmuda

              This blog post from MS http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windows7/archive/2009/06/12/information-regarding-windows-7-in-europe.aspx[^]

              Given the pending legal proceeding, we’ve decided that instead of including Internet Explorer in Windows 7
              in Europe, we will offer it separately and on an easy-to-install
              basis to both computer manufacturers and users.
              This means that computer manufacturers and users
              will be free to install Internet Explorer on Windows 7,
              or not, as they prefer. Of course, they will also be free,
              as they are today, to install other Web browsers.(...)

              The E versions of Windows 7 will include all the features and functionality of Windows 7
              in the rest of the world, other than browsing with Internet Explorer.
              Computer manufacturers will be able to add any browser they want to their Windows 7 machines,
              including Internet Explorer, so European consumers who purchase new PCs
              will be able to access the Internet without any problem.

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              Christian Graus
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              But, will code that uses a web browser control, work without IE ?

              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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              • C Christian Graus

                But, will code that uses a web browser control, work without IE ?

                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                hairy_hats
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                I don't doubt it. MS may have removed the IE UI but I don't imagine for one moment that they have removed its inner workings from the install.

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                • C Christian Graus

                  But, will code that uses a web browser control, work without IE ?

                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. "! i don't exactly like or do programming and it only gives me a headache." - spotted in VB forums. I can do things with my brain that I can't even google. I can flex the front part of my brain instantly anytime I want. It can be exhausting and it even causes me vision problems for some reason. - CaptainSeeSharp

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                  hairy_hats
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                  I don't doubt it. MS may have removed the IE UI but I don't imagine for one moment that they have removed its inner workings from the OS.

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                  • S Stuart Jeffery

                    I foresee 2 possibilities... 1) Sharp Rise in PC Magazine sales just for the cover discs. 2) Sharp Rise in the theft of said cover discs.

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                    Kevin McFarlane
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                    Basically, it's back to the 90s again. :) I guess, however, that the vast majority of consumers will get Windows 7 only with a new PC and the OEM will supply them with IE on a disc or pre-install it. The small minority who buy Windows upgrades may do your possibilities 1 and 2. :)

                    Kevin

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                    • H hairy_hats

                      I don't doubt it. MS may have removed the IE UI but I don't imagine for one moment that they have removed its inner workings from the install.

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                      pompeyboy2
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                      You can say that again! :)

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                      • S Stuart Jeffery

                        I foresee 2 possibilities... 1) Sharp Rise in PC Magazine sales just for the cover discs. 2) Sharp Rise in the theft of said cover discs.

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                        Dalek Dave
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                        AOL Anyone? There is all there free discs I could send!

                        ------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC

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                        • H hairy_hats

                          I don't doubt it. MS may have removed the IE UI but I don't imagine for one moment that they have removed its inner workings from the OS.

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                          Kevin McFarlane
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                          There are bound to be scenarios that haven't been foreseen though. MS do tend to make things overly interdependent. My guess is that the vast majority of OEMs will just install IE anyway and then offer other browsers at customers' request. Personally, I'd rather have IE pre-installed anyway, even though it's not my default. MS is not known for its quick installs. So let the OEM do it. :)

                          Kevin

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                          • P pompeyboy2

                            You can say that again! :)

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                            Dalek Dave
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                            Let's hope he doesn't! :)

                            ------------------------------------ "When Belly Full, Chin Hit Chest" Confucius 502BC

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                            • P peterchen

                              How am I going to download Opera? :rolleyes:

                              Don't attribute to stupidity what can be equally well explained by buerocracy.
                              My latest article | Linkify!| FoldWithUs! | sighist

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                              Electron Shepherd
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                              They'll probably make it an optional download as part of Windows Update (which doesn't use IE in Vista and 7).

                              Server and Network Monitoring

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                              • P pompeyboy2

                                You can say that again! :)

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                                hairy_hats
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                                Just for Dave: I don't doubt it. MS may have removed the IE UI but I don't imagine for one moment that they have removed its inner workings from the install.

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                                  Let's hope he doesn't! :)

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                                  hairy_hats
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                                  I wouldn't dream of being so literal! :laugh: Honest.

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                                  • P peterchen

                                    How am I going to download Opera? :rolleyes:

                                    Don't attribute to stupidity what can be equally well explained by buerocracy.
                                    My latest article | Linkify!| FoldWithUs! | sighist

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                                    Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                                    You'll probably have a pretty icon on your start menu. When you click it, IE8 will be downloaded for you. From there you can download whatever you wish. :) But in two years time, the EU will fine Microsoft for having icons shipped with the operating system...

                                    -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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                                    • H hairy_hats

                                      Just for Dave: I don't doubt it. MS may have removed the IE UI but I don't imagine for one moment that they have removed its inner workings from the install.

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                                      Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                                      I sincerely hope so. Having IE is available as a control is just excellent, if you want to integrate some webpage/service into your desktop app.

                                      -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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                                      • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

                                        You'll probably have a pretty icon on your start menu. When you click it, IE8 will be downloaded for you. From there you can download whatever you wish. :) But in two years time, the EU will fine Microsoft for having icons shipped with the operating system...

                                        -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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                                        Paul Watson
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                                        Or force them to put Opera, Safari and Firefox icons next to the IE8 icon.

                                        cheers, Paul M. Watson.

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                                          You'll probably have a pretty icon on your start menu. When you click it, IE8 will be downloaded for you. From there you can download whatever you wish. :) But in two years time, the EU will fine Microsoft for having icons shipped with the operating system...

                                          -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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                                          peterchen
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                                          The totally stupid thing is that all Microsoft can be blamed for in this regard is that they were the first to recognize a desktop OS needs a browser.

                                          Don't attribute to stupidity what can be equally well explained by buerocracy.
                                          My latest article | Linkify!| FoldWithUs! | sighist

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