Weven pricing
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Errr... happens every day.
Ok, I'm exaggerating possibly a bit. my point is like you say - It's OEM price and uptake that's important really. Still, I genuinely don't actually know anyone personally who has brought windows retail. I'd bet the figures are several orders of magnitude higher for OEM & Volume purchases.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Ethically with a new OEM PC? Or unethically to use on an existing PC?
Well, according to this site[^], there's nothing wrong with buy OEM for an existing PC, provided you stick to the license terms. I always build my own PC's so it would depend on timing if I needed a new PC or not.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Would you stick with Linux if Weven was priced at $100/1 and $300/5?
Yes, I like to use Linux for reasons other than just price. Using it keeps me learning new things, and I think a 100% monopoly of MS software would be a bad thing, so I like to use the alternatives at times. I equally wouldn't be happy sticking with using just Linux. Also, there is some Linux only software I'm using a lot of at the moment that I couldn't do without, I can't say the same about windows right now. Although I'd consider a copy of win7 to run in a VM, where as at the current price I wouldn't. (I don't know what the legality of buying OEM for VM use would be)
Simon
Simon Stevens wrote:
Still, I genuinely don't actually know anyone personally who has brought windows retail.
I bought 2 copies of Vista (for dual-booting on my wife & son's MacBook Pros). I bought the OEM versions thinking I was doing it unethically - but after reading your link it looks like I was legit. :-D I know many people who bought retail copies (upgrades and full) of Windows 95 & XP over the years. Not many buying Vista (maybe due to the hardware requirements).
Simon Stevens wrote:
I like to use Linux for reasons other than just price.
As do I. I've been using Ubuntu at home for over a year. But I have to admit that it's often a little rough around the edges. I love the security and stability but some of the quirks make it a pain.
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Brian W King wrote:
I think its a bargain when you start looking at all of the functionality in the package.
Interesting. Care to supply the bullet points that you think are truly worth a $200 upgrade or $300 purchase to the average XP user?
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Upgrade FullHome Premium $120 $200
Professional $200 $300
Ultimate $220 $320I'll pass...
This is about 20% higher than XP retail pricing after inflation. The killer jump in price has been for Visual Studio. Then again, I haven't paid for either in a while due to freebies at developer roll-outs.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Errr... happens every day.
Ok, I'm exaggerating possibly a bit. my point is like you say - It's OEM price and uptake that's important really. Still, I genuinely don't actually know anyone personally who has brought windows retail. I'd bet the figures are several orders of magnitude higher for OEM & Volume purchases.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Ethically with a new OEM PC? Or unethically to use on an existing PC?
Well, according to this site[^], there's nothing wrong with buy OEM for an existing PC, provided you stick to the license terms. I always build my own PC's so it would depend on timing if I needed a new PC or not.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Would you stick with Linux if Weven was priced at $100/1 and $300/5?
Yes, I like to use Linux for reasons other than just price. Using it keeps me learning new things, and I think a 100% monopoly of MS software would be a bad thing, so I like to use the alternatives at times. I equally wouldn't be happy sticking with using just Linux. Also, there is some Linux only software I'm using a lot of at the moment that I couldn't do without, I can't say the same about windows right now. Although I'd consider a copy of win7 to run in a VM, where as at the current price I wouldn't. (I don't know what the legality of buying OEM for VM use would be)
Simon
Simon Stevens wrote:
Well, according to this site[^], there's nothing wrong with buy OEM for an existing PC, provided you stick to the license terms. I always build my own PC's so it would depend on timing if I needed a new PC or not.
ars won't load for me at work (DNS has been failing all week), but the OEMlike version of windows you can buy for a discount and can't transfer from one PC to the next is technically called system builder. The main difference is that real OEM versions also have a BIOS lock (so eg a dell OEM disk won't work on an HP machine), while system builder just has activation as enforcement. For XP (never tried with vista) activation is keyed to the mobo, but will allow at least a limited amount of 'my mobo failed' reactivation via the phone. I'm 1 for 1 on doing that after a mobo failure, I assume there's a strict limit in how often they'll OK that; and the fact that only my mobo had changed may have been significant as well.
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Upgrade FullHome Premium $120 $200
Professional $200 $300
Ultimate $220 $320I'll pass...
New PC: $600 Hardware: $300, Margin: Little to nothing Software: $300 (just OS), Margin: A few billions, just enough to pay a dozen of teams doing "research" or the 10th reincarnation of the MSN website.
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- Shiny graphics
- More secure
- Shiny graphics
- Most old XP programs could still work
- Shiny graphics
- Longer until official support runs out
- Shiny graphics
That enough? :)
Between the idea And the reality Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow
- Shiny graphics
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Where did these figures come from?
"My interest is in the future because I'm going to spend the rest of my life there." - Charles F. Kettering
MS releases such information from time to time to some of their partners and to MS MVPs. Talking about this particular communication, the information was supplied to us under the NDA for 24 hours (which means we cannot disclose it to the general public for another day). But, the partners (mostly such websites that focus on Windows other MS Technologies) have been given permission to disclose it officially.
It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini
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Brian W King wrote:
I think its a bargain when you start looking at all of the functionality in the package.
Interesting. Care to supply the bullet points that you think are truly worth a $200 upgrade or $300 purchase to the average XP user?
Sure! You hold the gun still and wait until I move in front, then you can pull the trigger. It's pretty obvious you fall in the 'haters' category. It's fine with me. You can feel as you like. I don't mind at all. This is not a religious issue for me. Its what I like, prefer and want. Those are as many 'bullet' points as you will get.
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Sure! You hold the gun still and wait until I move in front, then you can pull the trigger. It's pretty obvious you fall in the 'haters' category. It's fine with me. You can feel as you like. I don't mind at all. This is not a religious issue for me. Its what I like, prefer and want. Those are as many 'bullet' points as you will get.
Brian W King wrote:
It's pretty obvious you fall in the 'haters' category.
Huh? I've personally owned/used every Microsoft desktop operating system since DOS v3 with the exception of ME & Vista. I've made a career from developing apps for all of them. I'm hardly a 'hater'. I merely question the price vs. value of Weven vs. XP.
Brian W King wrote:
Those are as many 'bullet' points as you will get.
I knew the Kool-Aid made people goofy but not beligerent. ;)
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Robert Surtees wrote:
Don't forget to add 200 pounds if you live in the UK
200lb of what?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
:-D
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Personally, I can hardly wait! I really want to get my hands on some of the sweet tools in the package. I am sure it will irk some of the real MS haters, but I firmly believe Vista was a substantial improvement over XP. My experience with the beta Seven versions suggests the same will be true of Seven over Vista. The pricing is actually lower that where Vista was placed. I think its a bargain when you start looking at all of the functionality in the package.
Brian W King wrote:
The pricing is actually lower that where Vista was placed. I think its a bargain when you start looking at all of the functionality in the package.
I think it's a bargain too, but only in comparison to previous M$ Operating Systems. I happen to think that all M$ products are overpriced, or have pricing structures so complex that British Rail use it as a model for their ticket prices and therefore make it problematic for Joe Public to get the best deal.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
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Brian W King wrote:
The pricing is actually lower that where Vista was placed. I think its a bargain when you start looking at all of the functionality in the package.
I think it's a bargain too, but only in comparison to previous M$ Operating Systems. I happen to think that all M$ products are overpriced, or have pricing structures so complex that British Rail use it as a model for their ticket prices and therefore make it problematic for Joe Public to get the best deal.
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
Whilst I really do like their products, their ranking in the Forbes list of wealthiest companies substantially backs up your argument.
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I am not sure about the well into part. But I can guarantee that more than 75% of our windows boxes will be XP in 2010..
John
John M. Drescher wrote:
But I can guarantee that more than 75% of our windows boxes will be XP in 2010
2000 rather than XP where I work :sigh:
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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Brian W King wrote:
It's pretty obvious you fall in the 'haters' category.
Huh? I've personally owned/used every Microsoft desktop operating system since DOS v3 with the exception of ME & Vista. I've made a career from developing apps for all of them. I'm hardly a 'hater'. I merely question the price vs. value of Weven vs. XP.
Brian W King wrote:
Those are as many 'bullet' points as you will get.
I knew the Kool-Aid made people goofy but not beligerent. ;)
My friend, I am sorry if I took your pointed barb to substantiate my 'opinion' with facts and bullet points as an afront. Perhaps it was your approach that drew ire instead? If you really want bullet points, go to Microsoft.com as I am not in the employ of Microsoft and haven't any intent of justifying their product to anyone. I merely stated that I liked the product and thought it was a good value in response to the original question. As I said originally "Personally, I can hardly wait! I really want to get my hands on some of the sweet tools in the package. I am sure it will irk some of the real MS haters, but I firmly believe Vista was a substantial improvement over XP. My experience with the beta Seven versions suggests the same will be true of Seven over Vista. "
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My friend, I am sorry if I took your pointed barb to substantiate my 'opinion' with facts and bullet points as an afront. Perhaps it was your approach that drew ire instead? If you really want bullet points, go to Microsoft.com as I am not in the employ of Microsoft and haven't any intent of justifying their product to anyone. I merely stated that I liked the product and thought it was a good value in response to the original question. As I said originally "Personally, I can hardly wait! I really want to get my hands on some of the sweet tools in the package. I am sure it will irk some of the real MS haters, but I firmly believe Vista was a substantial improvement over XP. My experience with the beta Seven versions suggests the same will be true of Seven over Vista. "
Brian W King wrote:
I am not in the employ of Microsoft and haven't any intent of justifying their product to anyone.
Relax, I was really just hoping to get your thoughts on which new features justified the expense. Yes, I can read bullet points offered by Microsoft but they are by nature biased. You offered your opinion, I simply wanted you to flesh it out with some specifics.
Brian W King wrote:
I merely stated that I liked the product and thought it was a good value in response to the original question.
Which question was that?
Brian W King wrote:
Personally, I can hardly wait! I really want to get my hands on some of the sweet tools in the package. I am sure it will irk some of the real MS haters, but I firmly believe Vista was a substantial improvement over XP. My experience with the beta Seven versions suggests the same will be true of Seven over Vista... I think its a bargain when you start looking at all of the functionality in the package.
I don't doubt that Vista has some improvements over XP and that Seven has improvements over Vista. Which ones mean the most to you?
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Brian W King wrote:
I am not in the employ of Microsoft and haven't any intent of justifying their product to anyone.
Relax, I was really just hoping to get your thoughts on which new features justified the expense. Yes, I can read bullet points offered by Microsoft but they are by nature biased. You offered your opinion, I simply wanted you to flesh it out with some specifics.
Brian W King wrote:
I merely stated that I liked the product and thought it was a good value in response to the original question.
Which question was that?
Brian W King wrote:
Personally, I can hardly wait! I really want to get my hands on some of the sweet tools in the package. I am sure it will irk some of the real MS haters, but I firmly believe Vista was a substantial improvement over XP. My experience with the beta Seven versions suggests the same will be true of Seven over Vista... I think its a bargain when you start looking at all of the functionality in the package.
I don't doubt that Vista has some improvements over XP and that Seven has improvements over Vista. Which ones mean the most to you?
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Upgrade FullHome Premium $120 $200
Professional $200 $300
Ultimate $220 $320I'll pass...
whiner
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My next computer may be a Mac and I'd considered dual-booting Weven (just for the hell of it), but at $300 - I don't think so. Does anyone really think the bloody OS on a PC is worth $300?
Mike Mullikin wrote:
My next computer may be a Mac
Mine already was...
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