Maybe Microsoft needs to...
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i disagree. Win95 was a viable release. Neither Win98 nor WinME should ever have seen the light of day, so too with Vista. All three are unstable, unusable pieces of shize.
and yet the only box i've had crash to reboot on me in three years is my XP box. multiple times. and the only box to lock up totally? multiple times? XP.
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kinar wrote:
Win98 is what Win95 should have been.
I disagree. Win95b is what Win95 should have been. I never liked Win98 with the integration of IE (aka Active Desktop / Explorer etc.)
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win98SE was stable and was a great product. Far better than the first edition of XP as well. XPsp2 was good. Have you actually USED vista? I mean really used it, not just installed it, didn't like it and went back to XP? Or even worse, not just read about it and hopped on the Vista Suxorz!!11!One bandwagon? I've personally used Vista since launch (and even before launch with Betas) on all flavors of machines (laptops, high end desktops, below vista spec desktops, public workstations, media center machines, development machines, etc) and I've NEVER had problems that can be associated with the OS. It is far superior than XP in my personal experience. In fact, the one XP machine I still have is the least stable machine I own over the last 2 years. My personal experience with other people who actually HAVE used it is that they go in and tinker with it like you did with XP and break stuff. Or they just don't like that the OS takes up more resources (memory they wouldn't be using even when runnign the highest end applications/games). Thats like buying a new car, opening up the hood and taking out a few parts and wondering why it doesn't run as good as it should.
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win98SE was stable and was a great product. Far better than the first edition of XP as well. XPsp2 was good. Have you actually USED vista? I mean really used it, not just installed it, didn't like it and went back to XP? Or even worse, not just read about it and hopped on the Vista Suxorz!!11!One bandwagon? I've personally used Vista since launch (and even before launch with Betas) on all flavors of machines (laptops, high end desktops, below vista spec desktops, public workstations, media center machines, development machines, etc) and I've NEVER had problems that can be associated with the OS. It is far superior than XP in my personal experience. In fact, the one XP machine I still have is the least stable machine I own over the last 2 years. My personal experience with other people who actually HAVE used it is that they go in and tinker with it like you did with XP and break stuff. Or they just don't like that the OS takes up more resources (memory they wouldn't be using even when runnign the highest end applications/games). Thats like buying a new car, opening up the hood and taking out a few parts and wondering why it doesn't run as good as it should.
Actually I have used Vista -- I have a laptop with it installed. Use it every day. I actually do like a lot about it, and I'm not talking about the "eye candy" -- but it is slow and piggish. Unnecessarily so. Also, many programs that ran fine under XP run much slower under Vista, sometimes 50% slower. You are correct WinXP-sp2/3 is much, much better than WinXP. In my experience, most of the reasons for people having problems with any windows version occurs after the installation of 3rd party drivers. Also, Vista 64 bit is much, much more stable and usable than Vista 32 bit. And no, I don't go twiddling with the innards, except I do go set different options through the standard OS options dialogs. Usually in an attempt to make things speedier and more usable (to my liking).
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and yet the only box i've had crash to reboot on me in three years is my XP box. multiple times. and the only box to lock up totally? multiple times? XP.
what 3rd party drivers do you have installed? is this a home-grown box?
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Asking MS to develop a killer app is like asking them to give us a reliable version of visual studio...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Well John, you know, it depends ... if they mean "killer app" as in "The last time he used Visual Studio, it crashed, he lost 3 hours of work, had a heart attack and died" ... then I think they've nailed it.
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kinar wrote:
Or they just don't like that the OS takes up more resources (memory they wouldn't be using even when runnign the highest end applications/games).
Some of us were actually using those resources...
some of you might have been...but almost noone who use the OS are...even if they claim to be. By "almost noone", I would guess less than .001% (thats one person in every 100,000) actually use all the extra resources. For all practical purposes, it is idle CPU cycles that Vista uses.
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Asking MS to develop a killer app is like asking them to give us a reliable version of visual studio...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Didn't you develop some Missile control systems in Visual Studio at one point of time? That is sure a Killer app.
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some of you might have been...but almost noone who use the OS are...even if they claim to be. By "almost noone", I would guess less than .001% (thats one person in every 100,000) actually use all the extra resources. For all practical purposes, it is idle CPU cycles that Vista uses.
kinar wrote:
For all practical purposes, it is idle CPU cycles that Vista uses.
Great idea. Didn't happen. When Vista SP1 takes longer to open a browser window than XP SP1 on the same machine, all the idle cycles that Vista was using prior to my asking for a new browser window might as well have been wasted.
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Maybe what Microsoft needs to pump of sales of their new W7, is to knock out a couple killer apps that requrie it.. If people can continue on like they have always with XP, what would make someone plunk down the big bucks for an upgrade?
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There is one, they called it DirectX10.
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
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Didn't you develop some Missile control systems in Visual Studio at one point of time? That is sure a Killer app.
Yeah, right – you could build it using Java and some crapy IDE like NetBeans, but form other hand, who needs a missiles with 35 M/Ph maximum velocity?
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
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what 3rd party drivers do you have installed? is this a home-grown box?
they're all Dells. and they all have the same basic set of apps. nothing fancy.
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Maybe what Microsoft needs to pump of sales of their new W7, is to knock out a couple killer apps that requrie it.. If people can continue on like they have always with XP, what would make someone plunk down the big bucks for an upgrade?
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Backup or Move Mozilla settings and data easily! Thinking about Silverlight? www.SilverlightCity.com
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Maybe what Microsoft needs to pump of sales of their new W7, is to knock out a couple killer apps that requrie it.. If people can continue on like they have always with XP, what would make someone plunk down the big bucks for an upgrade?
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Backup or Move Mozilla settings and data easily! Thinking about Silverlight? www.SilverlightCity.com
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Maybe what Microsoft needs to pump of sales of their new W7, is to knock out a couple killer apps that requrie it.. If people can continue on like they have always with XP, what would make someone plunk down the big bucks for an upgrade?
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Backup or Move Mozilla settings and data easily! Thinking about Silverlight? www.SilverlightCity.com
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Maybe what Microsoft needs to pump of sales of their new W7, is to knock out a couple killer apps that requrie it.. If people can continue on like they have always with XP, what would make someone plunk down the big bucks for an upgrade?
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Backup or Move Mozilla settings and data easily! Thinking about Silverlight? www.SilverlightCity.com
How about an Associative Object Synthesis and Storage System - I'd love one of those.
Multi famam, conscientiam pauci verentur.(Pliny)
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The killer app is to end-of-life XP. Hence, end "free" support of XP. Hence, business will adopt the new version of windows, vista for some (the more stupid or adventurous early adopters) or, like the organization I work for, leapfrog vista and go to Weven. Weven is what Vista should have been, just like WinXP/Win2000 is what Win98 should have been. Just my $0.00002.
"free" support of XP from Microsoft, where do I that?
Multi famam, conscientiam pauci verentur.(Pliny)
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they're all Dells. and they all have the same basic set of apps. nothing fancy.
interesting, I've bought only Dells. They all had XP on them, except the latest laptop. All ran/run fine.
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Maybe what Microsoft needs to pump of sales of their new W7, is to knock out a couple killer apps that requrie it.. If people can continue on like they have always with XP, what would make someone plunk down the big bucks for an upgrade?
Rocky <>< Recent Blog Post: Backup or Move Mozilla settings and data easily! Thinking about Silverlight? www.SilverlightCity.com
M$ sucks with Vista and IE8... but... W7 is sensible better work comparing to Vista. However this wouldn't help too much as it doesn't matter how many "killer apps" you made - OS monster is making bucks on corporations. But "lazy big ass" IT managers don't want to upgrade to Vista and W7 because it will cost too much. Crying Bully running to his mommy - "They don't want to play with me! Aaaaa!" - and then she say - "Don't cry sonny, let them be poisoned by these apples like Adam and Eve".
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Well John, you know, it depends ... if they mean "killer app" as in "The last time he used Visual Studio, it crashed, he lost 3 hours of work, had a heart attack and died" ... then I think they've nailed it.
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