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  • L Lost User

    A net (or .NET) around the area.

    Visit http://www.notreadytogiveup.com/[^] and do something special today.

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    Lost User
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    Trollslayer wrote:

    A net (or .NET) around the area.

    Yes, this is one of the solutions the extirminators offer. Unfortunatly, it doesn't comply with the new constraint imposed on the solution Outlaw John came up with.

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    • J Jim Crafton

      TheArchitectmc∞ wrote:

      Q: How can you keep pigions from stealing all the seed?

      A: Shoot all the pigeons.

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      Yes, this was previously perposed.

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      • L Lost User

        Okay but you return to find out that you have accidently help the dianasuars to evolve into man eating super freaks. They become the dominate species on earth.

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        Nagy Vilmos
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        TheArchitectmc∞ wrote:

        dianasuars to evolve into man eating super freaks.

        Then you feed the pigeons to the dinosuars. The stupid lizards are killed by the poisoned birds. Tow birds with one stone you might say!


        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.

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        • realJSOPR realJSOP

          I would probably sit outside with a pellet gun and take out the pigeons when they land on the feeder. If I was up for a real challenge, I'd stand off about 50 yards and use a 22 rifle. Sometimes, brute force is the best way to approach a problem (and sometimes, it's more fun). Of course, you could always put the feeder inside a wire mesh cage with access holes large enough for small birds but too small for pigeons...

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          Dan Neely
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          Instead of a pellet gun, stick with the classics[^]. ... My pulse will be quickenin' With each drop of strychnine We feed to a pigeon. It just takes a smidgen! To poison a pigeon in the park.

          The European Way of War: Blow your own continent up. The American Way of War: Go over and help them.

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          • L Lost User

            Okay since The Outlaw Programmer a.k.a John, has arrived at the fist set of observations to reach the conclusion I am going to impose a constraint. In the intervew you could do the same to see how your candidate works with in constraints. The candidate was given a computer. After searching the internet they found the following: 1. Special bird feeder which has eighter spring loaded perch, or just small enough to only allow the smaller birds to feed from the feeder. 2. The candidate found an obscure article about how to keep pegions away from feeders. Solution make a box with wire mesh under the feeder. Okay now to impose the constraint that will hopfully guide your candidate to the correct observation. Constraint: The owner of the feeder lives in a community that has deed restrictions goverend by a home owners association. All landscaping must be natual, no building, no wire mesh. This constrains solution #2.

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            Michael Schubert
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            TheArchitectmc∞ wrote:

            I am going to impose a constraint

            I vote against constraints.

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            • L Lost User

              Yes, this was previously perposed.

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              Jim Crafton
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              Damn, too slow reading the thread!

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              • L Lost User

                I came up with a soltion to an age old problem:

                Q: How can you keep pigions from stealing all the seed?

                Requirements:
                a. The pegions can't feed at the feeder.
                b. The pegions can't feed from the ground below the feeder, where feed is placed and
                little birds knock the feed to the ground.
                c. The little birds can still feed with no problems.

                This would be a good interviewing question to test ones ability to solve design and engineering problems. I will post the solution in a few hours, or if someone comes up the same or equaly plausable solution. Hint: I came up with the solution because my Father started going nutz and throwing rocks at the pegions. ~TheArch :-D

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                0x3c0
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                Buy a few myopic cats. It won't be able to see some of the small birds, but will kill the big pigeons

                Between the idea And the reality Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow

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                • L Lost User

                  Very good Mufasa, you are getting close to illumination.

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                  Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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                  TheArchitectmc∞ wrote:

                  Mufasa

                  That's not how you spell my name! Its MUSTAFA

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                    Buy a few myopic cats. It won't be able to see some of the small birds, but will kill the big pigeons

                    Between the idea And the reality Between the motion And the act Falls the Shadow

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                    Lost User
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                    Hmm, this is really an example of thinking outside the box! Good one!

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                    • L Lost User

                      Okay, get Chris to put Spell Check on these WYSIWIG editors and my dyslexia won't shine through so much.

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                      Russell Jones
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                      What kind of POS browser are you using that you don't have a spell checker built in?

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                        PETA approved version: acheive 100% employment of pigeons in the carrier business provide them with corporate cantina stamp book sooooo easy.... not like the question i was once asked "how do i determine the weight of a 747" i said, "rtfm or just ask the pilot" where the 'out of the box' answer was to chop it up into small pieces and weigh it on a regular scale....boy, did i learn a lot that day *no hijacking/off topic intended

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                        Russell Jones
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                        Does this not involve some land it on an aircraft carrier guff?

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                        • J Jim Crafton

                          Damn, too slow reading the thread!

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                          The funb isn't over yet, check out Hint #2. Adding a constraint.

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                          • R Russell Jones

                            What kind of POS browser are you using that you don't have a spell checker built in?

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                            The kind that requires an advanced degree in engineering. Oops! It's the fatal scenario of 'The pilot don't know what the toggle switch is...' Fighter Jocks have no idea what the 'Official Switch does' Thanks for showing me my ID10T card! :laugh: Ever hear the one about the PHD who kept running into a tree on his way to his car in the parking lot. He made them move the tree. True story. :laugh:

                            modified on Wednesday, July 22, 2009 12:07 PM

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                            • L Lost User

                              John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                              Why the f*ck are you calling me Musafa?

                              Have you ever watched 'The Lion King'? I'm just trying to have some fun, your observations are really close to finding the solution.

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                              Nope, never saw the show. What role did Musafa play?

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                              • L Lost User

                                I came up with a soltion to an age old problem:

                                Q: How can you keep pigions from stealing all the seed?

                                Requirements:
                                a. The pegions can't feed at the feeder.
                                b. The pegions can't feed from the ground below the feeder, where feed is placed and
                                little birds knock the feed to the ground.
                                c. The little birds can still feed with no problems.

                                This would be a good interviewing question to test ones ability to solve design and engineering problems. I will post the solution in a few hours, or if someone comes up the same or equaly plausable solution. Hint: I came up with the solution because my Father started going nutz and throwing rocks at the pegions. ~TheArch :-D

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                                Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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                                This is a coder/engineer site for .NET's sake! 0) Buy a robot kit (0.1) Attach a lethal force taser to the robot. 1) Program visual system to recognize small birds and yourself as acceptable "input" to the feeder 2) Program the following laws into the robot: i. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. ii. A robot must obey any orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. iii. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law. 3) Program said robot to target anything that is not listed in (1) with lethal force, ignoring rule 2.1 if the human is not you.

                                If the post was helpful, please vote, eh! Current activities: Book: Devils by Fyodor Dostoyevsky Project: Hospital Automation, final stage Learning: Image analysis, LINQ Now and forever, defiant to the end. What is Multiple Sclerosis[^]?

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                                  I came up with a soltion to an age old problem:

                                  Q: How can you keep pigions from stealing all the seed?

                                  Requirements:
                                  a. The pegions can't feed at the feeder.
                                  b. The pegions can't feed from the ground below the feeder, where feed is placed and
                                  little birds knock the feed to the ground.
                                  c. The little birds can still feed with no problems.

                                  This would be a good interviewing question to test ones ability to solve design and engineering problems. I will post the solution in a few hours, or if someone comes up the same or equaly plausable solution. Hint: I came up with the solution because my Father started going nutz and throwing rocks at the pegions. ~TheArch :-D

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                                  Henry Minute
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                                  Are these laden or unladen peg ions?

                                  Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                                  • D Dalek Dave

                                    Hmmm a little trouble with your time perception there. I am talking about going back 50,000 years. The Dinosaurs went extinct 65,000,000 years ago.

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                                    Dalek Dave wrote:

                                    Hmmm a little trouble with your time perception there. I am talking about going back 50,000 years. The Dinosaurs went extinct 65,000,000 years ago.

                                    Okay good point, but you said Genetic Engineer. If you tamper with birds, you are likely to end up with dinosaurs... Do some research on it...

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                                    • R Russell Jones

                                      Does this not involve some land it on an aircraft carrier guff?

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                                      Maybe the Navy did it as well, but this was done by Black Ops Combat Command Controllers in the USAF during Desert Storm.

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                                      • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

                                        This is a coder/engineer site for .NET's sake! 0) Buy a robot kit (0.1) Attach a lethal force taser to the robot. 1) Program visual system to recognize small birds and yourself as acceptable "input" to the feeder 2) Program the following laws into the robot: i. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. ii. A robot must obey any orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law. iii. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law. 3) Program said robot to target anything that is not listed in (1) with lethal force, ignoring rule 2.1 if the human is not you.

                                        If the post was helpful, please vote, eh! Current activities: Book: Devils by Fyodor Dostoyevsky Project: Hospital Automation, final stage Learning: Image analysis, LINQ Now and forever, defiant to the end. What is Multiple Sclerosis[^]?

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                                        Lost User
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                                        Yeah, but what happens when a terrorist steals the robot and makes an assassin out of it?!?!?

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                                          I came up with a soltion to an age old problem:

                                          Q: How can you keep pigions from stealing all the seed?

                                          Requirements:
                                          a. The pegions can't feed at the feeder.
                                          b. The pegions can't feed from the ground below the feeder, where feed is placed and
                                          little birds knock the feed to the ground.
                                          c. The little birds can still feed with no problems.

                                          This would be a good interviewing question to test ones ability to solve design and engineering problems. I will post the solution in a few hours, or if someone comes up the same or equaly plausable solution. Hint: I came up with the solution because my Father started going nutz and throwing rocks at the pegions. ~TheArch :-D

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                                          At this point if the candidate listened to the hints and obeyed the constraints they might come up with the solution to the problem: Knowing that rocks are part of the solution, the candidate describes a solution of placing river stones (about 3 to 51/2 inches) at the bottom of the feeder to replace the same solution of the observation of size and such which is also solved by using a box with wire mesh. Now that the candidate has the solution, lets see how well they can refactor a solution. After placing the rocks at the bottom with a 3 to 4 inch gap between stones, the observation is made that of the 30 pigeons which came every day to the feeder and ate all the seed in 10 min. Only 2 pigeons are able to climb the rocks and feed with the smaller birds. He identifies this species of pigeon as 'Rock Pigeon'. Ask the candidate to refactor the solution so city pigeons (which don't climb on rocks) and rock pigeons can't feed.

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