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  • G GuyThiebaut

    Being English I sometimes really feel for Americans having for to put up with people like this -->Clickety :wtf: I mean seriously, who is going to employ her now?

    Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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    leckey 0
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    I read this earlier myself and said to myself, "WTF?" What college GUARANTEES any kind of a job? Let's face it, she hasn't found her perfect dream job. It says nothing if she has looked for something similar or even a lower wage paying job for the meantime.

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      When the lawyers are done, her debt will be twice as much as it was in the first place.

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      Pravarakhya
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      Agreed. I saw she sued for 70K USD only. she would have added 150K for causing mental trauma and 150K more for loss of valuable time. ;P

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      • G GuyThiebaut

        Pete O'Hanlon wrote:

        Twice, I was unemployed (due to recession), and I didn't see it as anybody's direct fault.

        That sounds difficult - glad things have worked out ok. I am glad to be in a job and a pay freeze means very little at the moment against job security :)

        Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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        Pete OHanlon
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        GuyThiebaut wrote:

        That sounds difficult - glad things have worked out ok.

        Thanks - this was 20 years ago. Now that's a frightening thought.

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          Agreed. I saw she sued for 70K USD only. she would have added 150K for causing mental trauma and 150K more for loss of valuable time. ;P

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          Pravarakhya wrote:

          she would have added 150K for causing mental trauma and 150K more for loss of valuable time.

          Ahhh.. the American way! ;)

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            I read this earlier myself and said to myself, "WTF?" What college GUARANTEES any kind of a job? Let's face it, she hasn't found her perfect dream job. It says nothing if she has looked for something similar or even a lower wage paying job for the meantime.

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            Pravarakhya
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            leckey wrote:

            What college GUARANTEES any kind of a job?

            Poor girl didnt learn that colleges guarantee learning, not jobs.

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            • G GuyThiebaut

              Being English I sometimes really feel for Americans having for to put up with people like this -->Clickety :wtf: I mean seriously, who is going to employ her now?

              Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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              martin_hughes
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              Although suing the college is a complete nonsense, I do feel for a lot of the young'uns now entering the workplace. Saddled with debt, very few opportunities for a low paid job, let alone a decent paying one, jobs getting off-shored left-right and centre, house prices bordering on waaaaaay past the ridiculous for the most crummy of one-bed digs... not a happy place to be. Still, there are opportunities out there and it'll just take a lot more gumption and perseverance to hunt them down. And give it five years and I expect things will have improved no end.

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              • P Pravarakhya

                leckey wrote:

                What college GUARANTEES any kind of a job?

                Poor girl didnt learn that colleges guarantee learning, not jobs.

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                Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                Pravarakhya wrote:

                colleges guarantee learning

                Does it?

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                  Pravarakhya wrote:

                  colleges guarantee learning

                  Does it?

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                  Pravarakhya
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                  Well, it should. If a college doesn't guarantee learning, better not to join it :) .

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                    I read this earlier myself and said to myself, "WTF?" What college GUARANTEES any kind of a job? Let's face it, she hasn't found her perfect dream job. It says nothing if she has looked for something similar or even a lower wage paying job for the meantime.

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                    Kelly Herald
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                    leckey wrote:

                    What college GUARANTEES any kind of a job?

                    That is exactly what I was thinking. The judge should just throw this case out.:mad:

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                    • G GuyThiebaut

                      Being English I sometimes really feel for Americans having for to put up with people like this -->Clickety :wtf: I mean seriously, who is going to employ her now?

                      Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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                      Apart from the obvious stupidity of claiming that a university is responsible for employment:

                      BBC news wrote:

                      she obtained a bachelor's degree

                      It doesn't say anything about a masters degree, and trying to hit the market without either a masters degree or a Lot of experience is just a foolish waste of time. Maybe she has it anyway, it doesn't say, but it certainly sounds like she doesn't have one. No company I know of would take the risk of hiring a regular fresh ex-student who didn't even bother to get a masters degree.

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                        Apart from the obvious stupidity of claiming that a university is responsible for employment:

                        BBC news wrote:

                        she obtained a bachelor's degree

                        It doesn't say anything about a masters degree, and trying to hit the market without either a masters degree or a Lot of experience is just a foolish waste of time. Maybe she has it anyway, it doesn't say, but it certainly sounds like she doesn't have one. No company I know of would take the risk of hiring a regular fresh ex-student who didn't even bother to get a masters degree.

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                        harold aptroot wrote:

                        and trying to hit the market without either a masters degree or a Lot of experience is just a foolish waste of time.

                        FTFY

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                          harold aptroot wrote:

                          and trying to hit the market without either a masters degree or a Lot of experience is just a foolish waste of time.

                          FTFY

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                          Yea ok. But that's a dead end in the paths of Life - you can't get experience because you don't already have it. If that were really the case then surely there would be reports of groups of fresh ex-students committing mass suicide. I have heard no such reports, so there's gotta be some sort of sideways workaround that somehow escapes the dead end.

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                            Being English I sometimes really feel for Americans having for to put up with people like this -->Clickety :wtf: I mean seriously, who is going to employ her now?

                            Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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                            Joe Simes
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                            I wonder what her GPA was? Nothing is guaranteed by college except tuition! ;)

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                            • G GuyThiebaut

                              Being English I sometimes really feel for Americans having for to put up with people like this -->Clickety :wtf: I mean seriously, who is going to employ her now?

                              Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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                              Michael Dunn
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                              She doesn't have a super-common name, so if/when she gets an interview in the future, guess what will happen when the hiring manager googles her name.

                              --Mike-- Dunder-Mifflin, this is Pam.

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                                Being English I sometimes really feel for Americans having for to put up with people like this -->Clickety :wtf: I mean seriously, who is going to employ her now?

                                Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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                                Joe Woodbury
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                                My first reaction was similar to many here, but then I read one story that pointed out that Monroe College had bragged about their placement rates and how much they did to get you a job and all that. The legal question is whether Monroe College made a contract or whether their claims constituted a contract. If they did (and I think they did), are they really liable for the graduate's tuition (that's where I'm skeptical.) This does raise a question, though, about what liability universities have for making claims and promises about job placement or even job possibilities that simply aren't true. Yes, everyone should know that colleges and universities have long way oversold the value of their services, but should they get away with their lies forever?

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                                  Apart from the obvious stupidity of claiming that a university is responsible for employment:

                                  BBC news wrote:

                                  she obtained a bachelor's degree

                                  It doesn't say anything about a masters degree, and trying to hit the market without either a masters degree or a Lot of experience is just a foolish waste of time. Maybe she has it anyway, it doesn't say, but it certainly sounds like she doesn't have one. No company I know of would take the risk of hiring a regular fresh ex-student who didn't even bother to get a masters degree.

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                                  Joe Woodbury
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                                  I'm not sure what planet you live on, but outside of Google, Master's degrees do nothing to help job prospects outside of very narrow fields (and the scoop is that even Google is regretting that stance.)

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                                    Pravarakhya wrote:

                                    colleges guarantee learning

                                    Does it?

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                                    Big Daddy Farang
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                                    No. A college should guarantee an opportunity for learning. The actual learning is sort of up to the student. ;)

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                                      She doesn't have a super-common name, so if/when she gets an interview in the future, guess what will happen when the hiring manager googles her name.

                                      --Mike-- Dunder-Mifflin, this is Pam.

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                                      Christian Graus
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                                      Yeah, I wonder how many people really consider what happens if they get googled. Still, I wonder who does it. I did it before an interview, and the guy interviewing me was stunned that I knew his history.

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                                      • B Big Daddy Farang

                                        No. A college should guarantee an opportunity for learning. The actual learning is sort of up to the student. ;)

                                        BDF People don't mind being mean; but they never want to be ridiculous. -- Moliere

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                                        Big Daddy Farang wrote:

                                        No. A college should guarantee an opportunity for learning. The actual learning is sort of up to the student.

                                        Well said BDF. :doh:

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                                          I'm not sure what planet you live on, but outside of Google, Master's degrees do nothing to help job prospects outside of very narrow fields (and the scoop is that even Google is regretting that stance.)

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                                          The world of The Netherlands - you have no Master's, then you are a drop out. It's suspicious. Why wouldn't have you have a Master's? Lazyness: bad. Lack of skill: worse.

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