Jobless IT graduate sues her college
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I read this earlier myself and said to myself, "WTF?" What college GUARANTEES any kind of a job? Let's face it, she hasn't found her perfect dream job. It says nothing if she has looked for something similar or even a lower wage paying job for the meantime.
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leckey wrote:
What college GUARANTEES any kind of a job?
That is exactly what I was thinking. The judge should just throw this case out.:mad:
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Being English I sometimes really feel for Americans having for to put up with people like this -->Clickety :wtf: I mean seriously, who is going to employ her now?
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
Apart from the obvious stupidity of claiming that a university is responsible for employment:
BBC news wrote:
she obtained a bachelor's degree
It doesn't say anything about a masters degree, and trying to hit the market without either a masters degree or a Lot of experience is just a foolish waste of time. Maybe she has it anyway, it doesn't say, but it certainly sounds like she doesn't have one. No company I know of would take the risk of hiring a regular fresh ex-student who didn't even bother to get a masters degree.
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Apart from the obvious stupidity of claiming that a university is responsible for employment:
BBC news wrote:
she obtained a bachelor's degree
It doesn't say anything about a masters degree, and trying to hit the market without either a masters degree or a Lot of experience is just a foolish waste of time. Maybe she has it anyway, it doesn't say, but it certainly sounds like she doesn't have one. No company I know of would take the risk of hiring a regular fresh ex-student who didn't even bother to get a masters degree.
harold aptroot wrote:
and trying to hit the market without either a masters degree or a Lot of experience is just a foolish waste of time.
FTFY
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harold aptroot wrote:
and trying to hit the market without either a masters degree or a Lot of experience is just a foolish waste of time.
FTFY
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Yea ok. But that's a dead end in the paths of Life - you can't get experience because you don't already have it. If that were really the case then surely there would be reports of groups of fresh ex-students committing mass suicide. I have heard no such reports, so there's gotta be some sort of sideways workaround that somehow escapes the dead end.
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Being English I sometimes really feel for Americans having for to put up with people like this -->Clickety :wtf: I mean seriously, who is going to employ her now?
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
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Being English I sometimes really feel for Americans having for to put up with people like this -->Clickety :wtf: I mean seriously, who is going to employ her now?
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
She doesn't have a super-common name, so if/when she gets an interview in the future, guess what will happen when the hiring manager googles her name.
--Mike-- Dunder-Mifflin, this is Pam.
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Being English I sometimes really feel for Americans having for to put up with people like this -->Clickety :wtf: I mean seriously, who is going to employ her now?
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
My first reaction was similar to many here, but then I read one story that pointed out that Monroe College had bragged about their placement rates and how much they did to get you a job and all that. The legal question is whether Monroe College made a contract or whether their claims constituted a contract. If they did (and I think they did), are they really liable for the graduate's tuition (that's where I'm skeptical.) This does raise a question, though, about what liability universities have for making claims and promises about job placement or even job possibilities that simply aren't true. Yes, everyone should know that colleges and universities have long way oversold the value of their services, but should they get away with their lies forever?
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Apart from the obvious stupidity of claiming that a university is responsible for employment:
BBC news wrote:
she obtained a bachelor's degree
It doesn't say anything about a masters degree, and trying to hit the market without either a masters degree or a Lot of experience is just a foolish waste of time. Maybe she has it anyway, it doesn't say, but it certainly sounds like she doesn't have one. No company I know of would take the risk of hiring a regular fresh ex-student who didn't even bother to get a masters degree.
I'm not sure what planet you live on, but outside of Google, Master's degrees do nothing to help job prospects outside of very narrow fields (and the scoop is that even Google is regretting that stance.)
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Pravarakhya wrote:
colleges guarantee learning
Does it?
No. A college should guarantee an opportunity for learning. The actual learning is sort of up to the student. ;)
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She doesn't have a super-common name, so if/when she gets an interview in the future, guess what will happen when the hiring manager googles her name.
--Mike-- Dunder-Mifflin, this is Pam.
Yeah, I wonder how many people really consider what happens if they get googled. Still, I wonder who does it. I did it before an interview, and the guy interviewing me was stunned that I knew his history.
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No. A college should guarantee an opportunity for learning. The actual learning is sort of up to the student. ;)
BDF People don't mind being mean; but they never want to be ridiculous. -- Moliere
Big Daddy Farang wrote:
No. A college should guarantee an opportunity for learning. The actual learning is sort of up to the student.
Well said BDF. :doh:
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I'm not sure what planet you live on, but outside of Google, Master's degrees do nothing to help job prospects outside of very narrow fields (and the scoop is that even Google is regretting that stance.)
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The world of The Netherlands - you have no Master's, then you are a drop out. It's suspicious. Why wouldn't have you have a Master's? Lazyness: bad. Lack of skill: worse.
harold aptroot wrote:
The world of The Netherlands - you have no Master's, then you are a drop out. It's suspicious. Why wouldn't have you have a Master's?
Because they mean vastly different things between the US and the Netherlands. The generic European process is to get a 3-year bachelor's degree, a 1-year master's degree and then a 3-year doctorate, though this varies across countries. The UK system is probably the closest to the US system. The North American system is an optional 2-year associates degree, a 4-year bachelor's degree. Only then do you progress to post-graduate degrees. A masters typically takes 2+ years and requires an academic track and often a thesis or dissertation. A PhD also has an academic track and usually research and a dissertation--you can skip a master's degree (which was common for US scientists in the 50s. I don't think it's that common anymore.) Also understand that in the US, and I suspect much of the Commonwealth, in most fields, after you gain some experience, nobody cares about your degree except as a lazy way to filter applications. The big exceptions are obviously fields which require certification.
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Being English I sometimes really feel for Americans having for to put up with people like this -->Clickety :wtf: I mean seriously, who is going to employ her now?
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
She's an embarrassment to her parents, her school, and herself. It really makes me wonder how many of these twits this country is turning out each year. It's not just sad it's absolutely pathetic!
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harold aptroot wrote:
The world of The Netherlands - you have no Master's, then you are a drop out. It's suspicious. Why wouldn't have you have a Master's?
Because they mean vastly different things between the US and the Netherlands. The generic European process is to get a 3-year bachelor's degree, a 1-year master's degree and then a 3-year doctorate, though this varies across countries. The UK system is probably the closest to the US system. The North American system is an optional 2-year associates degree, a 4-year bachelor's degree. Only then do you progress to post-graduate degrees. A masters typically takes 2+ years and requires an academic track and often a thesis or dissertation. A PhD also has an academic track and usually research and a dissertation--you can skip a master's degree (which was common for US scientists in the 50s. I don't think it's that common anymore.) Also understand that in the US, and I suspect much of the Commonwealth, in most fields, after you gain some experience, nobody cares about your degree except as a lazy way to filter applications. The big exceptions are obviously fields which require certification.
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Being English I sometimes really feel for Americans having for to put up with people like this -->Clickety :wtf: I mean seriously, who is going to employ her now?
Continuous effort - not strength or intelligence - is the key to unlocking our potential.(Winston Churchill)
The only thing more stupid would be the company that hired her - knowing that she would probably sue them if she was fired or layed off X|
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My first reaction was similar to many here, but then I read one story that pointed out that Monroe College had bragged about their placement rates and how much they did to get you a job and all that. The legal question is whether Monroe College made a contract or whether their claims constituted a contract. If they did (and I think they did), are they really liable for the graduate's tuition (that's where I'm skeptical.) This does raise a question, though, about what liability universities have for making claims and promises about job placement or even job possibilities that simply aren't true. Yes, everyone should know that colleges and universities have long way oversold the value of their services, but should they get away with their lies forever?
Joe Woodbury wrote:
This does raise a question, though, about what liability universities have for making claims and promises about job placement or even job possibilities that simply aren't true.
A very good point!
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leckey wrote:
What college GUARANTEES any kind of a job?
That is exactly what I was thinking. The judge should just throw this case out.:mad:
Kelly Herald Software Developer
Most likely that will happen since there is no case law on this subject. The problem in American law is it lets anyone first file about anything, then it takes up the court's time to sort it out.
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No. A college should guarantee an opportunity for learning. The actual learning is sort of up to the student. ;)
BDF People don't mind being mean; but they never want to be ridiculous. -- Moliere
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My first reaction was similar to many here, but then I read one story that pointed out that Monroe College had bragged about their placement rates and how much they did to get you a job and all that. The legal question is whether Monroe College made a contract or whether their claims constituted a contract. If they did (and I think they did), are they really liable for the graduate's tuition (that's where I'm skeptical.) This does raise a question, though, about what liability universities have for making claims and promises about job placement or even job possibilities that simply aren't true. Yes, everyone should know that colleges and universities have long way oversold the value of their services, but should they get away with their lies forever?
Personally I have only seen, "x% percentage job placement rate in the last [time frame]." That gives no guarantee about other factors, like the economy going down the toilet. I have seen similar colleges talk about the extra mile they go in order to get graduates jobs, however, I have never seen one make it seem like a guarantee. When the economy is like it is, even the best recruiters can dash the hopes of new graduates.
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