Has any programming language ever affected your thought process in real life?
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Hello, everybody: First of all, excuse me for this extremely weird thing I'm going to say. I have the following problem: My favorite programming language, C++, is affecting the way I think in real life. I tend to assume other people have the ability (not to mention the willingness) to make huge abstractions when I talk to them. I expect them to be able to distinguish between a thing being referred and the reference itself. My ability to communicate my thoughts to the people I live, work and am supposed to have fun with is severely impaired by the fact most of these thoughts are "constructed" using concepts understandable only to C++ lawyers. Has anybody experienced a similar thing (not necessarily with C++)? Do I have to go to a psychologist or a psychiatrist? Is my problem beyond repair? Thanks in advance, Eduardo León
If you can play The Dance of Eternity (Dream Theater), then we shall make a band.
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I can't say that any language has had that effect on me, but I know that once I left behind childrens' science and arithmetic for physics and calculus, the Universe changed. It became a fascinating, dynamic place full of rythms and patterns, always in motion, that allowed me to see a far different existence than most of my friends perceived. That made conversation a bit strained at times, until I learned to dumb down things to a mundane level for normal day to day discussions. Of course, now that I'm old, I'm more boring and mundane, so it all worked out. The perceptions are still vivid, but I no longer have the mathematical skills to express them properly. That makes everyone much happier all around. :-D No shrink is necessary - just try to keep the conversation at a level of abstraction suitable for your audience, and save the interesting bits for conversations here among your peers.
"A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"
Roger Wright wrote:
No shrink is necessary - just try to keep the conversation at a level of abstraction suitable for your audience, and save the interesting bits for conversations here among your peers.
So, what you're saying is that he's just using the wrong interface? (oh, crap! I have it too! :doh: )
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Hello, everybody: First of all, excuse me for this extremely weird thing I'm going to say. I have the following problem: My favorite programming language, C++, is affecting the way I think in real life. I tend to assume other people have the ability (not to mention the willingness) to make huge abstractions when I talk to them. I expect them to be able to distinguish between a thing being referred and the reference itself. My ability to communicate my thoughts to the people I live, work and am supposed to have fun with is severely impaired by the fact most of these thoughts are "constructed" using concepts understandable only to C++ lawyers. Has anybody experienced a similar thing (not necessarily with C++)? Do I have to go to a psychologist or a psychiatrist? Is my problem beyond repair? Thanks in advance, Eduardo León
If you can play The Dance of Eternity (Dream Theater), then we shall make a band.
clapHands((areYouHappy() && doYouKnowIt())? true : false));
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A friend of mine had to write the same sentence twince on a piece of paper for an exam, so he wrote it the first time and then he underlined it to select it. He then realised he had no CTRL, C and V keys on the sheet of paper. :)
Teacher: Write "I will not make paper airplanes in the classroom" 50 times on the board. Student:
for(int counter = 0; counter <=50; counter++ )
{
Console.Writeline("I will not make paper airplanes in the classroom ");
}:) :)
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Hello, everybody: First of all, excuse me for this extremely weird thing I'm going to say. I have the following problem: My favorite programming language, C++, is affecting the way I think in real life. I tend to assume other people have the ability (not to mention the willingness) to make huge abstractions when I talk to them. I expect them to be able to distinguish between a thing being referred and the reference itself. My ability to communicate my thoughts to the people I live, work and am supposed to have fun with is severely impaired by the fact most of these thoughts are "constructed" using concepts understandable only to C++ lawyers. Has anybody experienced a similar thing (not necessarily with C++)? Do I have to go to a psychologist or a psychiatrist? Is my problem beyond repair? Thanks in advance, Eduardo León
If you can play The Dance of Eternity (Dream Theater), then we shall make a band.
This isn't weird at all. In fact, it has become generally accepted that even the language you first learn (or languages) define your very experience in the world by defining the thought processes and behavioral patterns you exhibit in relation to specific words, phrases or linguistic patterns. See: early works of Sapiri and Whorl re: Language and Behavioral Patterns or Thought Processes -- LMGTFY Link[^] This is even more true among computer scientists. The many experienced (read: been doin' this a while) computer scientists out there are polyglots by necessity since there is no singular language (yet) that can "do it all" markedly simply. --Yes, I realize I can use assembly to write this Web Application provided I write all parts of the Request/Response etc., but I'm not into S&M. Thanks.-- We tend to generalize a problem into our most-used (if not native or first) language before moving to applicable alternatives. Why? Language defines how we view everything. Language itself is meant to convey ideas, pictures, behavioral description, and other concrete or abstract concepts to the listener. For example, in English pronouns are used to relate feminine or masculine traits to individuals. In Spanish, French, and German (as well as other Germanic languages), not only are individiuals feminine or masculine, but also other nouns themselves inherit these attributes. Long story short... No, you're not weird. No matter what anyone says about programming affecting their thought processes: it has. It will. There's no way around it other than perhaps your mind already did it and you were a natural-born programmer. :) Cheers, JP
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This isn't weird at all. In fact, it has become generally accepted that even the language you first learn (or languages) define your very experience in the world by defining the thought processes and behavioral patterns you exhibit in relation to specific words, phrases or linguistic patterns. See: early works of Sapiri and Whorl re: Language and Behavioral Patterns or Thought Processes -- LMGTFY Link[^] This is even more true among computer scientists. The many experienced (read: been doin' this a while) computer scientists out there are polyglots by necessity since there is no singular language (yet) that can "do it all" markedly simply. --Yes, I realize I can use assembly to write this Web Application provided I write all parts of the Request/Response etc., but I'm not into S&M. Thanks.-- We tend to generalize a problem into our most-used (if not native or first) language before moving to applicable alternatives. Why? Language defines how we view everything. Language itself is meant to convey ideas, pictures, behavioral description, and other concrete or abstract concepts to the listener. For example, in English pronouns are used to relate feminine or masculine traits to individuals. In Spanish, French, and German (as well as other Germanic languages), not only are individiuals feminine or masculine, but also other nouns themselves inherit these attributes. Long story short... No, you're not weird. No matter what anyone says about programming affecting their thought processes: it has. It will. There's no way around it other than perhaps your mind already did it and you were a natural-born programmer. :) Cheers, JP
Thank God! I was starting to wonder... :)
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Teacher: Write "I will not make paper airplanes in the classroom" 50 times on the board. Student:
for(int counter = 0; counter <=50; counter++ )
{
Console.Writeline("I will not make paper airplanes in the classroom ");
}:) :)
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Hello, everybody: First of all, excuse me for this extremely weird thing I'm going to say. I have the following problem: My favorite programming language, C++, is affecting the way I think in real life. I tend to assume other people have the ability (not to mention the willingness) to make huge abstractions when I talk to them. I expect them to be able to distinguish between a thing being referred and the reference itself. My ability to communicate my thoughts to the people I live, work and am supposed to have fun with is severely impaired by the fact most of these thoughts are "constructed" using concepts understandable only to C++ lawyers. Has anybody experienced a similar thing (not necessarily with C++)? Do I have to go to a psychologist or a psychiatrist? Is my problem beyond repair? Thanks in advance, Eduardo León
If you can play The Dance of Eternity (Dream Theater), then we shall make a band.
If your favourite programming language is C++ then you should see a psychiatrist! :)
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A friend of mine had to write the same sentence twince on a piece of paper for an exam, so he wrote it the first time and then he underlined it to select it. He then realised he had no CTRL, C and V keys on the sheet of paper. :)
More than once I tried to hit Ctrl - F when looking for something in a book or newspaper. I guess programmers are just programmed!
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Hello, everybody: First of all, excuse me for this extremely weird thing I'm going to say. I have the following problem: My favorite programming language, C++, is affecting the way I think in real life. I tend to assume other people have the ability (not to mention the willingness) to make huge abstractions when I talk to them. I expect them to be able to distinguish between a thing being referred and the reference itself. My ability to communicate my thoughts to the people I live, work and am supposed to have fun with is severely impaired by the fact most of these thoughts are "constructed" using concepts understandable only to C++ lawyers. Has anybody experienced a similar thing (not necessarily with C++)? Do I have to go to a psychologist or a psychiatrist? Is my problem beyond repair? Thanks in advance, Eduardo León
If you can play The Dance of Eternity (Dream Theater), then we shall make a band.
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Hello, everybody: First of all, excuse me for this extremely weird thing I'm going to say. I have the following problem: My favorite programming language, C++, is affecting the way I think in real life. I tend to assume other people have the ability (not to mention the willingness) to make huge abstractions when I talk to them. I expect them to be able to distinguish between a thing being referred and the reference itself. My ability to communicate my thoughts to the people I live, work and am supposed to have fun with is severely impaired by the fact most of these thoughts are "constructed" using concepts understandable only to C++ lawyers. Has anybody experienced a similar thing (not necessarily with C++)? Do I have to go to a psychologist or a psychiatrist? Is my problem beyond repair? Thanks in advance, Eduardo León
If you can play The Dance of Eternity (Dream Theater), then we shall make a band.
Learning a programming language as a creative outlet (I don't do it for a living) actually helped me develop a more logical approach to general problem solving. When faced with something complex, I tend to apply an "
IfI do thisThenEvent A happensElseIfI do thatThenEvent B happens" approach to finding a solution. Overall, I'd say I've benefited in that regard. It sounds like you just need to remind yourself that not everyone is a programmer or even a competent computer user, and as such their approach to problem solving or even idle conversation will be different from yours (or mine). I encounter this occasionally with my sweet little 88 year-old mom. When she hits me with a blank stare I know I've wandered off into Nerdville. -
Hello, everybody: First of all, excuse me for this extremely weird thing I'm going to say. I have the following problem: My favorite programming language, C++, is affecting the way I think in real life. I tend to assume other people have the ability (not to mention the willingness) to make huge abstractions when I talk to them. I expect them to be able to distinguish between a thing being referred and the reference itself. My ability to communicate my thoughts to the people I live, work and am supposed to have fun with is severely impaired by the fact most of these thoughts are "constructed" using concepts understandable only to C++ lawyers. Has anybody experienced a similar thing (not necessarily with C++)? Do I have to go to a psychologist or a psychiatrist? Is my problem beyond repair? Thanks in advance, Eduardo León
If you can play The Dance of Eternity (Dream Theater), then we shall make a band.
I'm tempted to use parentheses for clarity in (ordinary communication) instances. One of the things that bugs me is the "Malicious Software Removal Tool"; where do the parentheses go? 0) (Malicious Software) Removal Tool 1) Malicious (Software Removal Tool)
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My brain has been known to throw exceptions now and then. They're called migraines X|.
Software Zen:
delete this;Fortunately, I internally use error codes which the caller functions tend to ignore.
If you can play The Dance of Eternity (Dream Theater), then we shall make a band.
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No specific programming language has affected my thought processes in real life. I have always thought about things differently than my family and most of my friends anyway. :) What programming has done to me is that when I have to write, or type something I suddenly find that I am using Pascal or Camel case. The amount of paper I have wasted because of that is probably responsible for at least half of global warming. :-D
Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”
The camel case thing hapPens to me someTimes, too alThough not laTely.
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Rage wrote:
Even never made an analogy such as "Yes, in programming, this would be a base class, these would be derived from it, and you could access the whole through this interface. In your case, the interface would be this and this...." ?
OK, slowly step away from the computer, and pull the plug in one quick motion. If-else branching: existed long before computers, doesn't count. Looping: OK, excusable in the real world. Inheritance: You need help. ;P
Cheers, Vikram. (Cracked not one CCC, but two!)
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
If-else branching: existed long before computers, doesn't count. Looping: OK, excusable in the real world. Inheritance: You need help.
Template metaprogramming? I'm not joking, my girlfriend was talking to me about how hard it is to determine the genre of a movie, and I switched the conversation to talking about how hard categorization is.
template <typename _Category, typename _Element> _Category Categorize(const _Element &e) { //... } //... somewhere else Movie m(...); Genre g = Categorize<Genre,Movie>(m);If you can play The Dance of Eternity (Dream Theater), then we shall make a band.
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Fortunately, I internally use error codes which the caller functions tend to ignore.
If you can play The Dance of Eternity (Dream Theater), then we shall make a band.
Brilliant, I'll have to try that.
Coffee Brain::MakeCoffee() {
Fridge fridge = Home.Current.GetFridge();
if(!fridge.ContainsMilk) {
throw new NoMilkException();
}
// ... //
}Matt Dockerty
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I'm tempted to use parentheses for clarity in (ordinary communication) instances. One of the things that bugs me is the "Malicious Software Removal Tool"; where do the parentheses go? 0) (Malicious Software) Removal Tool 1) Malicious (Software Removal Tool)
I use brackets, as parentheses usually mean their contents are secondary ideas.
If you can play The Dance of Eternity (Dream Theater), then we shall make a band.
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Hello, everybody: First of all, excuse me for this extremely weird thing I'm going to say. I have the following problem: My favorite programming language, C++, is affecting the way I think in real life. I tend to assume other people have the ability (not to mention the willingness) to make huge abstractions when I talk to them. I expect them to be able to distinguish between a thing being referred and the reference itself. My ability to communicate my thoughts to the people I live, work and am supposed to have fun with is severely impaired by the fact most of these thoughts are "constructed" using concepts understandable only to C++ lawyers. Has anybody experienced a similar thing (not necessarily with C++)? Do I have to go to a psychologist or a psychiatrist? Is my problem beyond repair? Thanks in advance, Eduardo León
If you can play The Dance of Eternity (Dream Theater), then we shall make a band.
I've started driving towards Redmond several times with the intention of choking the living sh*t outa whoever is in charge of WPF, so yeah, I guess it has affected my thought process.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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Ohhh, if you want to talk about a language that ROTS the brain: it's gotta be COBOL! X| I've had a couple of jobs that required COBOL programming. Don't EVER want to do that EVER again!
Huh. Try spending six months doing UI apps in Dataflex, the language that did not do function calls. It's the only langauge I have ever programmed in that I loathed more every single day I used it.
