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  • S Stuart Dootson

    Does the 'crusty old' relate to you or C++? ;P Use parentheses to disambiguate, young man - either (crusty old) (C++ guy) or (((crusty old) C++) guy)!

    Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p

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    Michael Dunn
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    Stuart Dootson wrote:

    Does the 'crusty old' relate to you or C++?

    It works either way. :-D

    Stuart Dootson wrote:

    (((crusty old) C++) guy)!

    Do we allow Lisp in here now? ;)

    --Mike-- Dunder-Mifflin, this is Pam

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      No.

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      wout de zeeuw
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      Yes.

      Wout

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      • M Marc Clifton

        So, there's been a lot of posts about whether var (C# thingy, for those non-C# folks) is good, bad, or just ugly. Well, I can deal with: var foo = new List(); as an example, because it's obvious what foo is. What I really hate is something like this: var foo = factory.CreateAFoo() That's where I despise seeing a "var"! Marc

        Will work for food. Interacx

        I'm not overthinking the problem, I just felt like I needed a small, unimportant, uninteresting rant! - Martin Hart Turner

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        Nish Nishant
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        Marc Clifton wrote:

        var foo = factory.CreateAFoo() That's where I despise seeing a "var"!

        Well if both the variable and the factory method are named properly, I don't think there'd be any confusion here. If they are not, then using var would be the least of the issues here.

        Regards, Nish


        Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
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        • W wout de zeeuw

          Huh? Isn't the point of var and anonymous types less typing? Otherwise one would type out all these types explicitly. Other than amount of typing I see no advantage in var.

          Wout

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          TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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          no, the point was more to be able to have anonymous types and also in foreach and other like constructs where the type info can be combersomely unwieldy to have something more readable and understandable.

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          • I Ian Shlasko

            public class MyRidiculousClass : IEnumerable<Dictionary<int, Dictionary<int, List<int>>>>
            {
            }

            Now CreateAFoo() can return something legible :)

            Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Developer, Author (Guardians of Xen)

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            TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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            yes, true, but you're not always using your own "reasonable" code...

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            • I Ian Shlasko

              public class MyRidiculousClass : IEnumerable<Dictionary<int, Dictionary<int, List<int>>>>
              {
              }

              Now CreateAFoo() can return something legible :)

              Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Developer, Author (Guardians of Xen)

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              AspDotNetDev
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              Then you lose any constructors the base type might have had. Although it's annoying you have to fully qualify the namespaces, you could also do this:

              using TooLong = System.Collections.Generic.IEnumerable<System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary<int, System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary<int, System.Collections.Generic.List<int>>>>;

              Visual Studio is an excellent GUIIDE.

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              • M Marc Clifton

                Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                Meh, in your example foo is either Foo or IFoo.

                Agreed. The example was bad, but you know what I meant. :)

                Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                why on earth C# (or Java) need keyword new in the first place? It is completely redundant.

                Because it gives everyone a warm fuzzy feeling that something important is happening. Just be glad we don't have to use the "Let" keyword (though, in some functional languages, it's baaaaack!) Marc

                Will work for food. Interacx

                I'm not overthinking the problem, I just felt like I needed a small, unimportant, uninteresting rant! - Martin Hart Turner

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                Roger Wright
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                But what if you want to reuse an object for something completely different. Can you declare var Foo2 = old FooObject; ?

                "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                • I Ian Shlasko

                  I kind of like the "new" keyword, but technically it shouldn't be needed, unless I'm missing something. Just playing devil's advocate here...

                  With: List<string> myList = new List<string>();
                  Without: List<string> myList = List<string>();

                  The parentheses would be enough to indicate that you're calling a constructor... I do think, though, that the "new" keyword keeps things clearer. There could be issues with functions named the same as classes, but that could technically be resolved with absolute references.

                  Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Developer, Author (Guardians of Xen)

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                  PIEBALDconsult
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                  List<string> myList = List<string>.ctor() ; Much more orthogonal. :-D

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                  • M Marc Clifton

                    So, there's been a lot of posts about whether var (C# thingy, for those non-C# folks) is good, bad, or just ugly. Well, I can deal with: var foo = new List(); as an example, because it's obvious what foo is. What I really hate is something like this: var foo = factory.CreateAFoo() That's where I despise seeing a "var"! Marc

                    Will work for food. Interacx

                    I'm not overthinking the problem, I just felt like I needed a small, unimportant, uninteresting rant! - Martin Hart Turner

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                    Plamen Dragiyski
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                    //C/C++:
                    void *foo = (void*)new Foo();
                    //What is foo?
                    foo = (void*)myClass.createFoo();
                    //And now?
                    foo = (void*)&any_type_variable;
                    //now?
                    foo = (void*)&foo;
                    //O.o

                    Seems nice to me :P

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                    • R Roger Wright

                      But what if you want to reuse an object for something completely different. Can you declare var Foo2 = old FooObject; ?

                      "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                      Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                      let var Foo2 = old FooObject; of course... (Seriously, no. The compiler substitutes the var keyword with the real type at compile time. It's not a dynamic type.)

                      -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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                      • M Marc Clifton

                        So, there's been a lot of posts about whether var (C# thingy, for those non-C# folks) is good, bad, or just ugly. Well, I can deal with: var foo = new List(); as an example, because it's obvious what foo is. What I really hate is something like this: var foo = factory.CreateAFoo() That's where I despise seeing a "var"! Marc

                        Will work for food. Interacx

                        I'm not overthinking the problem, I just felt like I needed a small, unimportant, uninteresting rant! - Martin Hart Turner

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                        dazfuller
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                        I hate it because you can't tell at a glance what the type is, okay so its alright for anonymous types where you don't know but otherwise it's just a train-wreck. I still think that the following is cleaner, easier to read and less prone to human error: List foo = new List(); and IFoo foo = factory.CreateAFoo()

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                        • C Chris Losinger

                          Marc Clifton wrote:

                          var foo = factory.CreateAFoo()

                          into every language a little void * must fall.

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                          Adar Wesley
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                          Chris Losinger wrote:

                          Marc Clifton wrote: var foo = factory.CreateAFoo() into every language a little void * must fall.

                          In the above case, foo is NOT void *. It is a strongly typed variable of the type factory.CreateAFoo() returns. For instance:

                          var str = "This is a string variable";
                          str = 5; // <-- Compile error

                          Incidently, I love to use var. During development you change the type of a variable by changing the initialization code and not have to go also and fix the variable declared type. So if I have in my code the above mentioned function declared as so:

                          internal Foo CreateAFoo()
                          {
                          // create and return a Foo
                          }

                          And somewhere else:

                          var foo = factory.CreateAFoo()

                          Then, during the developement process, I think: "let's change my work from Foo to IFoo to introduce different implementations". All I have to do is change the signature of CreateAFoo() to:

                          internal IFoo CreateAFoo()
                          {
                          // create and return a Foo
                          }

                          That's it, all done. Don't need to wory about changing all the variables all over the code that hold a Foo reference. They automatically become IFoo references. --- Adar Wesley

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                          • M Michael Dunn

                            It still bugs me that you can't write "new List" in C#, you have to write "new List()" But maybe I'm just a crusty old C++ guy. ;P

                            --Mike-- Dunder-Mifflin, this is Pam

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                            Talk about lazy! Is t really that hard type ()? ;P

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                            • R Roger Wright

                              But what if you want to reuse an object for something completely different. Can you declare var Foo2 = old FooObject; ?

                              "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

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                              smcnulty2000
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                              Roger Wright wrote:

                              var Foo2 = old FooObject;

                              There's no foo like an old foo. So, clearly not.

                              _____________________________ There is no I in team. But there is meat in there.

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                              • P PIEBALDconsult

                                var wasn't created to reduce keystrokes, and should not be used as such. Developers should strive to type more keystrokes, not fewer.

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                                :laugh: try COBOL

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                                • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                                  no, the point was more to be able to have anonymous types and also in foreach and other like constructs where the type info can be combersomely unwieldy to have something more readable and understandable.

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                                  wout de zeeuw
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                                  It only saves some typing, other than that it doesn't offer anything functional. I can make my own custom classes to contain my query/filter results, which will always be more readable than a non-descriptive var.

                                  Wout

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                                  • J Judah Gabriel Himango

                                    My opinion: I'm kind of liking var. Everywhere. While I might not be able to tell the type at only a quick glance, as you say in your post, it makes the code much cleaner and elegant, IMO, as the variable declarations all stand out as a single group.

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                                    codemunkeh
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                                    Why not just make all your own custom types 7 characters long; and build wrappers around the base classes to make them 7 characters long too?

                                    QString bork = string.Empty
                                    QQFloat FHeight = 12.0F

                                    Really, what I normally do is group the declarations at the top of a class inside a #region Declarations then shrink it when not needed.


                                    Ninja (the Nerd)
                                    Confused? You will be...

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                                    • W wout de zeeuw

                                      Yes.

                                      Wout

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                                      codemunkeh
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                                      UnstableClassInDevelopment.UnStableType.UnderlyingValue obj = new UnstableClassInDevelopment.UnStableType.UnderlyingValue();

                                      Now, if that underlying value changes type; everything breaks. With var, you don't have to do any search/replace and it works with any reasonable change. Yes, stupid example but I don't even use the thing.


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                                        UnstableClassInDevelopment.UnStableType.UnderlyingValue obj = new UnstableClassInDevelopment.UnStableType.UnderlyingValue();

                                        Now, if that underlying value changes type; everything breaks. With var, you don't have to do any search/replace and it works with any reasonable change. Yes, stupid example but I don't even use the thing.


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                                        Confused? You will be...

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                                        wout de zeeuw
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                                        You can just rename the type with VS refactoring couldn't you? And if some third party owns that code and changes it, I would like everything to break, so I can see what the change was exactly. Silently accepting changes is very dangerous.

                                        Wout

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                                        • I Ian Shlasko

                                          I kind of like the "new" keyword, but technically it shouldn't be needed, unless I'm missing something. Just playing devil's advocate here...

                                          With: List<string> myList = new List<string>();
                                          Without: List<string> myList = List<string>();

                                          The parentheses would be enough to indicate that you're calling a constructor... I do think, though, that the "new" keyword keeps things clearer. There could be issues with functions named the same as classes, but that could technically be resolved with absolute references.

                                          Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Developer, Author (Guardians of Xen)

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                                          James Curran
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                                          var foo = new MyFoo(); //clearly creates a new MyFoo. var foo = MyFoo(); //create a new MyFoo or call local method MyFoo()? var foo = MyFoo; //create a new MyFoo or assign local field MyFoo?

                                          Truth, James

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