DOH
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I've seen this in job adverts before I asked thee agent why. The response from the agent was (and even he was embarassed) "The company thinks that a senior developer shouldn't need that level of help". I asked whether he'd put many people forward, the response was a simple "Nope.". I actually felt sorry for the agent that day. Some companies just aren't worth working for.
Win32 API has around 3000+ class, excluded classes etc. As for .net who knows, the lucky candidate will have to be have an IQ of 200+.
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Norm .net wrote:
MSDN sub.
An MSDN sub? Wow! Add some Jalapenos and olives and I'm in. :cool:
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Lets not forget a large helping of the paper stuff ££££.
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Rhuros wrote:
I did know of a company who was looking to receruit a Senior developer (for not that great a salary). One of the selection criteria was that they shouldn't ever us MSDN/Online Help...
May be they were *really* fed up with MSDN? :) Seriously though, the MSDN offline help still SUCKS big time. But I don't know how can anyone write code without referring to it (at least the online version), no matter how much it sucks. Did you check with them for all the criterias? May be another criteria was to work without a monitor. I mean - you should be able to visualise what the computer should be doing at any given moment. Come on, it's a "senior" developer position, man! :laugh:
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
Did you check with them for all the criterias? May be another criteria was to work without a monitor. I mean - you should be able to visualise what the computer should be doing at any given moment. Come on, it's a "senior" developer position, man!
What you mean in you postion your not asked to code via your telepathic/telekinetic powers :0
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I did know of a company who was looking to receruit a Senior developer (for not that great a salary). One of the selection criteria was that they shouldn't ever us MSDN/Online Help...
About six years ago now I had an interview at a small company in Manchester. Part of the was a programming test on VB6, something I didn't do often (still don't! :laugh: ). For some reason I decided to go straight into help, and it wasn't there. The senior engineer said in all seriousness: "We don't believe in using help". I still aced the interview and test, but declined the job. The slave traderrecruiter wasn't very happy, and asked me why, and I told him about that and the fact that unlike as advertised they had no intention of moving to .NET (my primary reason for moving). He swore that they did, and he'd organise a conference call to discuss my qualms. Quite early in the conversation the senior technical guys said: ".NET is a flash in the pan, it isn't the future, you need to concentrate on VB6, that's where the money is!" The recruiter ended the call soon after.
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Guess that's me out.
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Yep, this was the reason the Agent gave me too... Strangely enough I don't keep the syntax to every function call in MFC or .Net in my head... I have enough trouble breathing an walking at the same time:)
And I expect that they (the recruiting company) expect to pay around or below junior dev money for this mythical being with the encyclopedic/photographic memory! :laugh:
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For the last 9 months I didn't know (or rather was not told) that the company I work for, has an MSDN subscription! :doh:
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((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x))) The Scheme Programming Language – Fourth EditionI thought your post was targeted at my sister in law, Dawn, when I saw the title.
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Mayonnaise Salami Dolcellati Nutella Sounds Delish!
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Masala Samosa Dhal Naan that's better.
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Mayonnaise Salami Dolcellati Nutella Sounds Delish!
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Masala Samosa Dhal Naan that's better.
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Hmmm Samosa! I am now going to go and get some at lunch time!
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phew, good job I didn't send the CV in.
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Hmmm Samosa! I am now going to go and get some at lunch time!
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Going to Rusholme (Manachester) tonight, going to the Lal Hawalli so fine dining will be had by all.
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About six years ago now I had an interview at a small company in Manchester. Part of the was a programming test on VB6, something I didn't do often (still don't! :laugh: ). For some reason I decided to go straight into help, and it wasn't there. The senior engineer said in all seriousness: "We don't believe in using help". I still aced the interview and test, but declined the job. The slave traderrecruiter wasn't very happy, and asked me why, and I told him about that and the fact that unlike as advertised they had no intention of moving to .NET (my primary reason for moving). He swore that they did, and he'd organise a conference call to discuss my qualms. Quite early in the conversation the senior technical guys said: ".NET is a flash in the pan, it isn't the future, you need to concentrate on VB6, that's where the money is!" The recruiter ended the call soon after.
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And I expect that they (the recruiting company) expect to pay around or below junior dev money for this mythical being with the encyclopedic/photographic memory! :laugh:
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For the last 9 months I didn't know (or rather was not told) that the company I work for, has an MSDN subscription! :doh:
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((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x))) The Scheme Programming Language – Fourth EditionCompanies do not have MSDSN subscriptions, unless they are Microsoft partners or purchased it in Volume Licensing. If it is neither than the MSDN subscription is for an indvidual in the company.
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Nah, you know recruiters, they want to sell you for as much as you can get... as they'll get their 30% commission...:)
Common misconception: Agents will try to get you as much as they can, as they work on a %, so the more they get you, the more they earn. Reality: Agents try to recruit you at the lowest possible rate they can for 2 reasons. 1) They often have a fixed amount their client will pay, and they will pocket the difference and 2) If they get someone really good, really cheap that client will return to them for the next recruitment. The extra business far outweighs the couple pounds extra they would get for getting you £20 more a day.
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Companies do not have MSDSN subscriptions, unless they are Microsoft partners or purchased it in Volume Licensing. If it is neither than the MSDN subscription is for an indvidual in the company.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Companies do not have MSDSN subscriptions, unless they are Microsoft partners or purchased it in Volume Licensing.
It does say MSDN Subscription (Volume License).
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
If it is neither than the MSDN subscription is for an indvidual in the company.
I did have to associate my LiveId with details that sent to a previous employee (he left before I got here). Now I only wish I had bandwidth to download something (on second thought an extra hard disk might be a good idea too!).
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Companies do not have MSDSN subscriptions, unless they are Microsoft partners or purchased it in Volume Licensing.
It does say MSDN Subscription (Volume License).
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
If it is neither than the MSDN subscription is for an indvidual in the company.
I did have to associate my LiveId with details that sent to a previous employee (he left before I got here). Now I only wish I had bandwidth to download something (on second thought an extra hard disk might be a good idea too!).
xacc.ide
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((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x))) The Scheme Programming Language – Fourth EditionThat's super cool! :)
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For the last 9 months I didn't know (or rather was not told) that the company I work for, has an MSDN subscription! :doh:
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For the last 9 months I didn't know
she was pregnant? ;) Marc
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Companies do not have MSDSN subscriptions, unless they are Microsoft partners or purchased it in Volume Licensing.
It does say MSDN Subscription (Volume License).
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
If it is neither than the MSDN subscription is for an indvidual in the company.
I did have to associate my LiveId with details that sent to a previous employee (he left before I got here). Now I only wish I had bandwidth to download something (on second thought an extra hard disk might be a good idea too!).
xacc.ide
IronScheme - 1.0 beta 4 - out now!
((λ (x) `(,x ',x)) '(λ (x) `(,x ',x))) The Scheme Programming Language – Fourth Editionleppie wrote:
It does say MSDN Subscription (Volume License).
AFAIK that just gets them a discount, but it's still bought per user instead of sitewide and allows them to host commonly downloaded items on a network share instead of requiring us to guzzle bandwidth downloading them.
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