Am I biased, or is VB stupid?
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lauren wrote: *wakes up screaming* ...wakes up screeming because she suddenly realizes that she realy WANTS to learn VB but she is afraid that she will be looked down on by her elitist freinds.
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ROTFLMAO!!!!! It's only a dream, Lauren! It's alright, have a sip of this nice, warm tequila and go back to sleep... Quiet now, or you'll wake the monsters under the bed. Night, night... Word of the day: Rotundacrat
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Christian Graus wrote: but because M$ ARE behind General rule #1.. never take anything seriously from a person that uses 'M$' ;P
*sigh* It's just shorthand. Feel free to ignore anything else I say for a reason as mundane as my using a common abbreviation. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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You start to sound like John Simmons :suss: - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
He is my hero. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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Alvaro Mendez wrote: but the numbers don't lie: Of course, by that logic: there are 1.2 billion people in communist China. There are 300 million in the democratic United States. Numbers don't lie. :-D I guess whether something "sucks" or not is all relative... if you just want to slap together a GUI, and you don't care about maintenance, then VB is fine. If you ever want a prayer of maintaining your code in the future, or want to do something that can't be done by creating a pretty dialog with an editor, then you'll want something more potent. "Time spent with cats is never wasted." - Colette
Navin wrote: there are 1.2 billion people in communist China. There are 300 million in the democratic United States So communism and eating rice is the world's preference ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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He is my hero. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
Christian Graus wrote: He is my hero. Mine also. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
You are the intrepid one, always willing to leap into the fray! A serious character flaw, I might add, but entertaining. Said by Roger Wright about me.
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Please excuse my ignorant and intolerant attitude... But doesn't VB stink? As a primarily C++ programmer, which is obviously a superior language, it is occasionally necessary to examine VB code. Recently this became a disturbing issue because, it seems, VB is stupid. I never bothered to learn it, so am I biased or is VB stupid? :) Adam
Have you ever used Pascal, Delphi or Modula? That's not a rhetoric or facetious question, nor am I implying either of these languages are 'bad'. What I'm alluding to is that some of the verbosity of VB is also in Pascal/Modula/Delphi. These languages aren't usually lumped in with VB in terms of 'poorness', yet Delphi is verbose and even an idiot can use it to slap together an application (much like VB) VB can be fun. It's like driving a comfortable automatic after spending years driving a manual sports car. You can cruise along with the windows down and never have to worry about changing gears, and everything (usually) just works. It's horses for courses, but don't write it off just yet. cheers, Chris Maunder
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Ok, now make a Windows GUI application that actually DOES something. Somehow I figured he would do that...
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Please excuse my ignorant and intolerant attitude... But doesn't VB stink? As a primarily C++ programmer, which is obviously a superior language, it is occasionally necessary to examine VB code. Recently this became a disturbing issue because, it seems, VB is stupid. I never bothered to learn it, so am I biased or is VB stupid? :) Adam
Adam, I think you are being a bit ignorant here. There is a distinction between VB form painters and VB programmers. Form painters are the guys who give VB a bad name by writing crappy code, while programmers are the guys who do the cool stuff ( and who sometimes curse VB for not being able to do all they want to ). I feel that there is a place for VB in RAD. Although I am currently moving over to C# ( which I find easy because I have a bit of a C++ background ), it may be a while before I finally uninstall my trusted old VB. Johan Lombaard Development Manager Afrigis http://www.afrigis.co.za
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Marc Clifton wrote: worse, there seem to be more jobs in VB than in C++!!! But more doesn't necessarily mean better. I am willing to bet that most C++ programming jobs have better pay rates than VB programming jobs. "Time spent with cats is never wasted." - Colette
Oddly enough, that wasn't my experience. The agency that I worked through didn't distinguish between VB and C++ as far as rates went, and most of their clients wanted VB. I was paid $85/hr to help with some VB code for an HMO. Well, medical industry pays higher, but still... I hated it. It was a three tier database project, and the client and middle tiers were done in VB, and there was so much redundancy. That's not the fault of VB, but bad design. But it does go to show that a die hard C++ programmer can write VB code given just a couple examples and a day looking at the documentation (plus already having MFC experience). Marc
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Have you ever used Pascal, Delphi or Modula? That's not a rhetoric or facetious question, nor am I implying either of these languages are 'bad'. What I'm alluding to is that some of the verbosity of VB is also in Pascal/Modula/Delphi. These languages aren't usually lumped in with VB in terms of 'poorness', yet Delphi is verbose and even an idiot can use it to slap together an application (much like VB) VB can be fun. It's like driving a comfortable automatic after spending years driving a manual sports car. You can cruise along with the windows down and never have to worry about changing gears, and everything (usually) just works. It's horses for courses, but don't write it off just yet. cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: VB can be fun. It's like driving a comfortable automatic after spending years driving a manual sports car. You can cruise along with the windows down and never have to worry about changing gears With square wheels ;P? -- Andrew.
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Alvaro Mendez wrote: but the numbers don't lie: Of course, by that logic: there are 1.2 billion people in communist China. There are 300 million in the democratic United States. Numbers don't lie. :-D I guess whether something "sucks" or not is all relative... if you just want to slap together a GUI, and you don't care about maintenance, then VB is fine. If you ever want a prayer of maintaining your code in the future, or want to do something that can't be done by creating a pretty dialog with an editor, then you'll want something more potent. "Time spent with cats is never wasted." - Colette
Navin wrote: Of course, by that logic: there are 1.2 billion people in communist China. There are 300 million in the democratic United States. Numbers don't lie. I think the question is not so much how many are there are but why are there so many? In the case of China, my guess is that f*cking is about the only fun they have over there. And let's not forget the lack of condoms (probably because they're rationed). :-) In the case of VB my guess is that because it's actually a good language/development environment. There's no question that it's easy to learn and work with. The syntax may suck to us C++ guys but to someone who doesn't know any better, it's probably just fine. Regards, Alvaro Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein