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  • P PIEBALDconsult

    I get even by inventing my own mispronunciations; so you may need a more RELL-yable resource. :-D I've never heard of "darta". What gets me is "idear", "acrosst", "irregardless", the invention of anglicized plurals in place of perfectly good latin plurals, and pronouncing "route" like "rout" rather than "root".

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    Gary Wheeler
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    Hmm. Local convention for me is: "Route" is pronounced as "root" when the word is used as a noun: "I found a better route to work." "Route" is pronounced as "rowte" ("row" like "cow") when the word is used as a verb: "They routed traffic around the accident."

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    • H Henry Minute

      Which pronunciation do you use? I've just been listening to a TV prog which had a voiceover by an Aussie guy who was using what I assume he thought of as an upper-class accent. He used 'Darta' and it just grated, for some reason. Probably says more about me than it does about him. :) I have also noticed this type of thing with some Americans, naming no names (Oprah Winfrey), who mangle pronunciations to sound posher/cleverer. Kneesan instead of Nissan, for example.

      Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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      mojp
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      What? I thought Dayta was just another Americanism. I say Darta, and DartaBayse, and Darta Myning, and Darta Module. What surprises me is that a Ozzie guy said Darta correctly. Ozzies more often sound like Americans. (I'm a Kiwi, by the way)

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      • R ragnaroknrol

        I believe he told Dr. Polaski it was pronounced Day-ta. Both are acceeptable ways to pronounce the word normally. Fun things to deal with are words like herbalist. The british pronounce the bloody H in it, and Americans make it silent because the letter is uppity enough as it is. As it stands I want to find the guys that allowed sheeps to be a word in Webster's and give them a profound amount of pain. It's like saying gooses is a real word. Come on, only hicks and idiots use sheeps. Why are we letting them dictate words?

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        Richard Deeming
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        Sod it - let's forget the dayta/darta argument and just say "Lore"[^] instead! ;P


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        • R Rajesh R Subramanian

          I hate it when some people say SQL server as "SEAQUUOOL server". :mad:

          It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini

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          Searril
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          Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

          I hate it when some people say SQL server as "SEAQUUOOL server". Mad

          I thought everyone called it that. Seriously. I can't remember ever hearing someone say "ess queue ell server" if that's what you're implying. It's been pronounced "sequel server" forever.

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          • R Rajesh R Subramanian

            I hate it when some people say SQL server as "SEAQUUOOL server". :mad:

            It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini

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            urbane tiger
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            I don't recall ever hearing anyone say SEAQUOLL, but if they did I'd be thinking that someone has discovered a marine going one of these[^]. There's a member of the BBC World Service football commentariat who refers to Milan as MeeeeeeLAN, it sounds awful, can't remember his name, if he says more than twice I turn him off.

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            • M mojp

              What? I thought Dayta was just another Americanism. I say Darta, and DartaBayse, and Darta Myning, and Darta Module. What surprises me is that a Ozzie guy said Darta correctly. Ozzies more often sound like Americans. (I'm a Kiwi, by the way)

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              Henry Minute
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              mojp wrote:

              (I'm a Kiwi, by the way)

              There's' no need to apologise. Most of us will speak to anybody. :)

              Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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              • I Ian Shlasko

                I'm inconsistent... Sometimes I say it like "daa-tuh", sometimes "day-tuh" But I always make it a point to say "S Q L", because "Sequel Server" sounds like a book repository. Other annoying ones: * Jaguar (The cars)... Is it "Jag-war", "Jag-wahr", or "Jag-you-are"? I know know of the commercials I've seen for it uses both the first and third pronunciations... Two announcer voices, one of them using each. I pick the first. * Nissan... Yeah, that one can be odd... It's either "Nee-sahn" or "Niss-ann"... Maybe we should just go back to calling it "Datsun"... Is it "Daht-son" or "Dot-son"? * Porsche... While we're on cars... "Porsh" or "Porsh-uh"? I use the first, because the second makes you sound like one of those people who could actually afford to buy one new. * Nuclear... "Noo-clee-arr"... I'm sorry, but "Nuke-you-lar" is just totally unacceptable, and these people need to go back to grammar school. I had so much fun talking about GWB back in the day, because he would mispronounce other words too... Korea, to him, was the "Nuke-yuh-luh puh-nin-shuh-luh" * Aluminium... Sorry, Brits. It just sounds better our way. Time to take that last "i" and send it away with all of the extra "u"'s.

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                Searril
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                Ian Shlasko wrote:

                Other annoying ones: * Jaguar (The cars)... Is it "Jag-war", "Jag-wahr", or "Jag-you-are"? I know know of the commercials I've seen for it uses both the first and third pronunciations... Two announcer voices, one of them using each. I pick the first. {snip} * Nuclear... "Noo-clee-arr"... I'm sorry, but "Nuke-you-lar" is just totally unacceptable, and these people need to go back to grammar school. I had so much fun talking about GWB back in the day, because he would mispronounce other words too... Korea, to him, was the "Nuke-yuh-luh puh-nin-shuh-luh"

                Where I live, in the armpit of America, the locals like to pronounce Jaguar as "jag-wire". Talk about grating. The nuclear thing is horrid, too. Oh, and around here (again, the armpit of America) these people just like to stick an R in wash or Washington. So they pronounce those "warsh" or "Warshington". Ugh.

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                • G goodideadave

                  Ian Shlasko wrote:

                  * Nuclear... "Noo-clee-arr"... I'm sorry, but "Nuke-you-lar" is just totally unacceptable, and these people need to go back to grammar school.

                  As both an American and a native Chicagoan, I can't tell you how much better it is having a President who can pronounce nuclear correctly.

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                  Searril
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                  goodideadave wrote:

                  As both an American and a native Chicagoan, I can't tell you how much better it is having a President who can pronounce nuclear correctly.

                  Too bad half the legislators from both the monster parties also pronounce it the crappy way :(

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                  • H Henry Minute

                    OK. So it should be Noosahn then?

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                    Mark_Wallace
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                    I think the most apt pronunciation is "tinny".

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                    • H Henry Minute

                      Which pronunciation do you use? I've just been listening to a TV prog which had a voiceover by an Aussie guy who was using what I assume he thought of as an upper-class accent. He used 'Darta' and it just grated, for some reason. Probably says more about me than it does about him. :) I have also noticed this type of thing with some Americans, naming no names (Oprah Winfrey), who mangle pronunciations to sound posher/cleverer. Kneesan instead of Nissan, for example.

                      Henry Minute Do not read medical books! You could die of a misprint. - Mark Twain Girl: (staring) "Why do you need an icy cucumber?" “I want to report a fraud. The government is lying to us all.”

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                      Wenff
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                      Hate to break it to you, but countries with a strong Brittish infuence are far more likely to use "darta" than those with a strong American influence. It's not about being snobby, it's about how trashy your country's accent is/isn't ;P

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                      • I Ian Shlasko

                        Nope. Po-tass-i-um = 4 syllables So-di-um = 3 syllables I-rid-i-um = 4 syllables ... Mag-ne-si-um = 4 syllables And then here comes Aluminium... 5 syllables. That's just gratuitous, and it sounds too important and full of itself. More importantly, it's an extra "beat" when used in a sentence. Pretend you're talking in verse or sing-song and saying the sentence, "It's an aluminium can"... Yes, you're singing about a discarded soda can... Try it. ("beats" in bold) British: It's an aluminium can American: It's an aluminum can See? That's a 25% savings because of the pause between the "al" and the first "u". That "i" has got to go. Interestingly enough, Firefox's built-in spell check gives me the red underline every time I spell it "your" way, with the "i".

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                        KramII
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                        No, no, no! British: It's a tin.

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                        • M Mark_Wallace

                          I only use "sequel" when talking about MS SQL (because that's what they call it); otherwise, it's just plain S-Q-L.

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                          Dave Buhl
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                          plus one here.... i think you could probably find some documentation where they actually specify that pronunciation. and I sometimes use dayta and sometimes use dahta, not sure why public schools :)

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                            Which pronunciation do you use? I've just been listening to a TV prog which had a voiceover by an Aussie guy who was using what I assume he thought of as an upper-class accent. He used 'Darta' and it just grated, for some reason. Probably says more about me than it does about him. :) I have also noticed this type of thing with some Americans, naming no names (Oprah Winfrey), who mangle pronunciations to sound posher/cleverer. Kneesan instead of Nissan, for example.

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                            phil2415
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                            I'm definitely a "Dayta" guy. This use of longer forms of vowels to try and sound clever or proper is getting out of control. I got so mad the other day when I heard a newsreader talking about "Irarq" and, worst of all, "Parkistarn". Near where I live a local car dealer used to advertise on the radio (maybe still does). He had a Nissan dealiership and he used to end his adverts with the Nissan slogan of the time, "You can with a Nissan." Except he used to say "You caaaaan with a Nissun." He pronounced the 'a' in Nissan very quickly, like in "doberman". He seemed to have completely missed the point that the slogan was supposed to rhyme! :laugh:

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                            • P PIEBALDconsult

                              I get even by inventing my own mispronunciations; so you may need a more RELL-yable resource. :-D I've never heard of "darta". What gets me is "idear", "acrosst", "irregardless", the invention of anglicized plurals in place of perfectly good latin plurals, and pronouncing "route" like "rout" rather than "root".

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                              coding4ever
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                              Had an English teacher in high school who was all about good grammer and what not. But she routinely told us we needed to work on our pro-NOUN-ciation during our public speaking assignments. It was humorous at first but got annoying after the first month of the semester. Also is McAfee pronounced MIC-afee or MAC-afee? As far as I know Mc is supposed to be pronounced MIC and Mac is MAC but being a few generations removed from my Irish/Sottish roots I could be wrong....

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                              • S Searril

                                Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

                                I hate it when some people say SQL server as "SEAQUUOOL server". Mad

                                I thought everyone called it that. Seriously. I can't remember ever hearing someone say "ess queue ell server" if that's what you're implying. It's been pronounced "sequel server" forever.

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                                considerthis
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                                I agree. Back in 1992 before there was such a thing as Microsoft SQL Server, even the comp sci profs at university would pronounce it "Sequel Server". These SQL servers were running on VMS. I just have to laugh, though, when I see someone spell it in their emails as "Sequel Server".

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                                • R Rajesh R Subramanian

                                  I don't know who voted you down for that. We do have some "true" MS fanboys, I guess. :rolleyes:

                                  It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini

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                                  Fabio Franco
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                                  The same fanboy voted you down. I'll vote you up to balance things. Unless... You are the one

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                                  • F Fabio Franco

                                    The same fanboy voted you down. I'll vote you up to balance things. Unless... You are the one

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                                    Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                    Ugh... I actually balanced the other low-vote.

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                                    • G Gary Wheeler

                                      Hmm. Local convention for me is: "Route" is pronounced as "root" when the word is used as a noun: "I found a better route to work." "Route" is pronounced as "rowte" ("row" like "cow") when the word is used as a verb: "They routed traffic around the accident."

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                                      Scott Barbour
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                                      Around here, the "root" pronunciation is generally only used when referring to highways. This reminds me of a coworker I had once that told me a story of how he was called into his principal's office when he was in high school for allegedly hacking into the school's systems. The principal told him that he "knows all about your ip [pronounced like dip without the d] addresses and rooters"

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                                      • S Searril

                                        goodideadave wrote:

                                        As both an American and a native Chicagoan, I can't tell you how much better it is having a President who can pronounce nuclear correctly.

                                        Too bad half the legislators from both the monster parties also pronounce it the crappy way :(

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                                        goodideadave
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                                        Yes, and I'm in California. Fortunately, there's only one way to pronounce, "eye patch underwear", so at least our state legislators have that going for them.

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                                        • R Rajesh R Subramanian

                                          I hate it when some people say SQL server as "SEAQUUOOL server". :mad:

                                          It is a crappy thing, but it's life -^ Carlo Pallini

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                                          JasonPSage
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                                          SEE QUOLL? LOL - it's less sylables than S, Q, L - I'm into IT for a living I'm rushed - this is quibbly talk to me LOL - another American making up a word for quibbling. :D (Don't take me to serious here - I'm having a bit of fun)

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