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The expense is if it is just 3 months. I hate them. You have to go to a city, either stay in a hotel or rent a plus that is really expensive. Either rent a car, etc. Over 6 months you can get a decent deal on rent and take your own car. Now if you lived in the city, big whoop. Problem is tech jobs rotate cities. I would love to come up on the 1 month contract that winds up an ideal 5 year contract but the bottom line is what they advertise is what you have to expect. With regard to 25 an hour, if you legitimately had a multi-year contract it would be a nice start and is a common overhead rate for a lot of non demand employees and would be about $36k (I didn't check I am just guessing) which isn't bad if you are single and far above the poverty line ... but you are correct that at that wage rent will kill you, you won't have a new car, and you will be eating lean, not paying your retirement, and debating the question of to pay for health insurance. Of course my first programming job I made 10 an hour w-2 (college days) and then my second after college I made 12 an hour w-2 so it can work at such low numbers but it is hard. Those jobs had no benefits, no vacation, no sick time, nada, nothing zip zilch. The one after college was salary so I probably made less with the amount of hours I put in.
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
my first programming job I made 10 an hour w-2 (college days) and then my second after college I made 12 an hour w-2
I remember those days. My firsts were $8 and $12 respectively, IIRC.
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I just saw your profile. You're leaving Byron for a Texan city? Must be some kind of woman
I wish I was as fortunate as fortunate as me
Indeed! :cool: :)
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
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Well, to summarize it, there is a woman involved! ;-) (And no, she is not American and we are not married (we are not even together, yet), so that doesn't help...)
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
Super Lloyd wrote:
there is a woman involved!
So you're trying to run away from her ;P Forgeign Legion isn't an option ;P
only two letters away from being an asset
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Super Lloyd wrote:
there is a woman involved!
So you're trying to run away from her ;P Forgeign Legion isn't an option ;P
only two letters away from being an asset
Mh... that's a way of putting it I didn't think of! :laugh:
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
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Depends on what you will work for. If you are fluent in English with 4+ years and will work in a major metropolitan area (expensive) for contracts of less than 6 months at a time (very expensive) for less than $35 an hour U.S.D. I can guarantee you that you will land a job with a company that will sponsor you in less than two weeks. Heck, at $25 an hour they may offer you a signing bonus.
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Super Lloyd wrote:
But I was also under the impression it doesn't apply to the Tech industry, at least it's as good as ever now in Australia for .NET programmers!
Soooo.... Why leave all the goodies here and head off to the states? :doh:
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Depends on what you will work for. If you are fluent in English with 4+ years and will work in a major metropolitan area (expensive) for contracts of less than 6 months at a time (very expensive) for less than $35 an hour U.S.D. I can guarantee you that you will land a job with a company that will sponsor you in less than two weeks. Heck, at $25 an hour they may offer you a signing bonus.
$35ph, you're kidding right? In Sydney a half decent .net wouldn't work for less than $50ph, and a decent one for less than $70ph... And the morning rate was US$0.91 = AU$1
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Super Lloyd wrote:
But I was also under the impression it doesn't apply to the Tech industry, at least it's as good as ever now in Australia for .NET programmers!
Soooo.... Why leave all the goodies here and head off to the states? :doh:
Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
Depends on what you will work for. If you are fluent in English with 4+ years and will work in a major metropolitan area (expensive) for contracts of less than 6 months at a time (very expensive) for less than $35 an hour U.S.D. I can guarantee you that you will land a job with a company that will sponsor you in less than two weeks. Heck, at $25 an hour they may offer you a signing bonus.
$35ph, you're kidding right? In Sydney a half decent .net wouldn't work for less than $50ph, and a decent one for less than $70ph... And the morning rate was US$0.91 = AU$1
Igor Velikorossov wrote:
Soooo.... Why leave all the goodies here and head off to the states?
The answer is a few thread below! But to spare you some research, mm... there is a Woman involved! :) What else? :rolleyes:
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
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Super Lloyd wrote:
.NET
I only see ads for Web development, at least here in Phoenix. If you don't do ASP.net (as I don't), there's basicaly nothing. I'm at least trying to play up what little experience I have with Web services and WCF.
To the original poster: I would use dice dot com to get a feel for what is available (and in which cities) for your area of expertise. As for Phoenix that is my take too ... only web (ASP.NET) jobs and that is why I stay in San Diego because there are many .NET WinForm/WPF applications in the biotech industry (writing SW to control biotech instruments and UI/data visualization are my specialty). I was born and raised in Tempe and would love to move back as my family still lives there but I would shoot myself in the head if I had to do ASP.NET for a living. No offense to you ASP.NET developer but to each their own.
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Well, to summarize it, there is a woman involved! ;-) (And no, she is not American and we are not married (we are not even together, yet), so that doesn't help...)
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
Sounds like you are thinking with the little head and allowing it to make life changing decisions for you. This is from someone who currently works in Singapore and has also done the UK work tour. Doing the OS work tour itself is enough motivation to do what you are attempting. I'd love to do the US trip you are thinking of but I may have missed the boat, it seems unlikely at 55+ I can do the new country/contracting thing. I look forward to the results of your attempt. Still leaving Byron for Texas, ballsy stuff. The VERY best of luck to you.
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Igor Velikorossov wrote:
Soooo.... Why leave all the goodies here and head off to the states?
The answer is a few thread below! But to spare you some research, mm... there is a Woman involved! :) What else? :rolleyes:
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
LOL, fair enough I'm bringing my woman here instead of moving off to somewhere else ;P
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$25ph isn't that below the poverty line? Why is a contract < 6 months expensive to the contractor, I can understand the city factor but contracts are often 3 months and the understanding is that they will almost certainly extend. I have often accepted a contract of 3 months and every single one of them has extended. I'm currently in my 5th year in the current contract that started as a 1 month deal.
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Super Lloyd wrote:
.NET
I only see ads for Web development, at least here in Phoenix. If you don't do ASP.net (as I don't), there's basicaly nothing. I'm at least trying to play up what little experience I have with Web services and WCF.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
If you don't do ASP.net (as I don't)
You might want to invest some of your time learning it. If you are proficient in .NET, learning ASP.NET and maybe event ASP.NET MVC should take only a few weeks, a few hours a week.
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To the original poster: I would use dice dot com to get a feel for what is available (and in which cities) for your area of expertise. As for Phoenix that is my take too ... only web (ASP.NET) jobs and that is why I stay in San Diego because there are many .NET WinForm/WPF applications in the biotech industry (writing SW to control biotech instruments and UI/data visualization are my specialty). I was born and raised in Tempe and would love to move back as my family still lives there but I would shoot myself in the head if I had to do ASP.NET for a living. No offense to you ASP.NET developer but to each their own.
Thanks for the info! Not all good though.... mmhh.... (I'm not an ASP.NET dev either...)
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
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Sounds like you are thinking with the little head and allowing it to make life changing decisions for you. This is from someone who currently works in Singapore and has also done the UK work tour. Doing the OS work tour itself is enough motivation to do what you are attempting. I'd love to do the US trip you are thinking of but I may have missed the boat, it seems unlikely at 55+ I can do the new country/contracting thing. I look forward to the results of your attempt. Still leaving Byron for Texas, ballsy stuff. The VERY best of luck to you.
An other adventurer! :-) Thanks for the support! ;)
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
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"$25ph isn't that below the poverty line? " I suggest you never move to South Africa...
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And other countries where $US25 is a reasonable amount, I was specifically referring to a large city in the US (Texas) where the cost of living is quite different to SA I believe. I have not been to either US or SA. :sigh:
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And other countries where $US25 is a reasonable amount, I was specifically referring to a large city in the US (Texas) where the cost of living is quite different to SA I believe. I have not been to either US or SA. :sigh:
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An other adventurer! :-) Thanks for the support! ;)
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
Once you go down the path of being a contractor it is not a daunting step to contracting in another country. I do draw the line at English language, and yep I do consider what they use in the US as English, I'm thinking of Japan and China or even EU countries. That first contract is the hardest I found, took me 4 months in the UK, spending Singapore $ against UK pounds, painful. I am lucky in that I have a UK passport.
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An other adventurer! :-) Thanks for the support! ;)
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
I left home to chase a woman. It was the best thing I ever did. However, NZ to OZ is a wee bit easier than 'anywhere' to the US (excepting Mexico to the US, that is). Ever thought of that option? Mexico is close to Texas ;)
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To put it in perspective, working as a cashier in a Local Supermarket earns you about $1.25 an hour :)
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But the OP is not a cashier and has slightly higher expectations (as I would). I don't mean to be disparaging of those who do it hard and have to struggle to survive, I've been there, but those people are limited by either lousy circumstances or personal short comings. Having managed to educate and train to the point of being a developer, gaining the experience to where he is confidant enough to change countries I think he should have higher expectations.
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I heard that too ;) But I was also under the impression it doesn't apply to the Tech industry, at least it's as good as ever now in Australia for .NET programmers!
A train station is where the train stops. A bus station is where the bus stops. On my desk, I have a work station.... _________________________________________________________ My programs never have bugs, they just develop random features.
Do you need a replacement for your Australian position?
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$25ph isn't that below the poverty line? Why is a contract < 6 months expensive to the contractor, I can understand the city factor but contracts are often 3 months and the understanding is that they will almost certainly extend. I have often accepted a contract of 3 months and every single one of them has extended. I'm currently in my 5th year in the current contract that started as a 1 month deal.
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
$25ph isn't that below the poverty line?
A friend complete a highly regarded Java course and left for Cape Town to find a job as a novice. He encountered a company that charge the employees to work for them, just to get experience. But then, when I get my law degree I have to work for a year without any pay to be admitted to the Bar.