We are still fighting for freedom [moved]
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modified on Wednesday, November 4, 2009 10:31 PM
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
The bloodiest wars are caused by both sides being right.
In the fight for liberty, there is only one right side.
And both sides are it. Nobody fights for what they believe is wrong.
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And both sides are it. Nobody fights for what they believe is wrong.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
And both sides are it. Nobody fights for what they believe is wrong.
I think you are confused. Think of a slave revolt. The captured slaves want to be free, but their master wont let them. You know which side is in the right, doesn't really matter what they think on either side, because there is only one right side.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
And both sides are it. Nobody fights for what they believe is wrong.
I think you are confused. Think of a slave revolt. The captured slaves want to be free, but their master wont let them. You know which side is in the right, doesn't really matter what they think on either side, because there is only one right side.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
their master wont let them
If the masters believed themselves to be wrong they wouldn't be doing it would they?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
their master wont let them
If the masters believed themselves to be wrong they wouldn't be doing it would they?
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
If the masters believed themselves to be wrong they wouldn't be doing it would they?
They would, because they benefit from it. Goldman Saches doesn't take hundreds of billions of taxpayers dollars because they believe its the right thing to do, they do it because its easy money. A dictator doesn't cull protesters of tyranny because he believes its morally right, he does it to keep or strengthen his power. A psychopath doesn't chain down his victims because he thinks its the right thing to do, he does it because it gets him off.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
If the masters believed themselves to be wrong they wouldn't be doing it would they?
They would, because they benefit from it. Goldman Saches doesn't take hundreds of billions of taxpayers dollars because they believe its the right thing to do, they do it because its easy money. A dictator doesn't cull protesters of tyranny because he believes its morally right, he does it to keep or strengthen his power. A psychopath doesn't chain down his victims because he thinks its the right thing to do, he does it because it gets him off.
They believe it's right for them; that's what I mean.
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They believe it's right for them; that's what I mean.
Well, what I mean is that there is this thing called universal morality. Things that are known to be undebatable and undeniably right or wrong.
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Well, what I mean is that there is this thing called universal morality. Things that are known to be undebatable and undeniably right or wrong.
No, there really isn't.
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No, there really isn't.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
No, there really isn't.
I don't know how that mindset came about, but people who possess that mindset are fundamentally flawed and easily corrupted.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
No, there really isn't.
I don't know how that mindset came about, but people who possess that mindset are fundamentally flawed and easily corrupted.
No different than anyone else. In fact it's that kind of thinking that leads to the type of situations you're complaining about.
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While this shouldn't, strictly, be in the Lounge, I'm prepared to ignore the rules for this issue. It's powerful stuff, and something we'd all do well to remember.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
Thousands of years and humanity is still debating moral relativism vs. universal moral truths. :rose:
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Commit your entire soul into fighting for what is right. Surrender is not an option.
You sound like a one of those suicide bombers videos - do you expect virgins with that?
Go away and research the subject, analyze the options for and against, understand the problem and them come back when you agree with me.
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You sound like a one of those suicide bombers videos - do you expect virgins with that?
Go away and research the subject, analyze the options for and against, understand the problem and them come back when you agree with me.
He will be supplying his own virgin, himself.
------------------------------------ In science, 'fact' can only mean 'confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent.' I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms. Stephen J Gould
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He will be supplying his own virgin, himself.
------------------------------------ In science, 'fact' can only mean 'confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent.' I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms. Stephen J Gould
might be his only hope - that or the swine flu wipeing out the competition maybe hes hoping they have engineered it to only attack males between 10 and 100 - thus reducing the odds of him scoring down to 4 to 1 against
Go away and research the subject, analyze the options for and against, understand the problem and them come back when you agree with me.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
And both sides are it. Nobody fights for what they believe is wrong.
I think you are confused. Think of a slave revolt. The captured slaves want to be free, but their master wont let them. You know which side is in the right, doesn't really matter what they think on either side, because there is only one right side.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
because there is only one right side
Which is decided by who wins the fight.
"War doesn't determine who is right, war determines who is left." - Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Developer, Author (Guardians of Xen)
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
No, there really isn't.
I don't know how that mindset came about, but people who possess that mindset are fundamentally flawed and easily corrupted.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
people who possess that mindset are fundamentally flawed and easily corrupted
Like the people who can 'flex their brains', is that right kapow-boy?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
people who possess that mindset are fundamentally flawed and easily corrupted
Like the people who can 'flex their brains', is that right kapow-boy?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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Please look at these videos (04 Nov 2009 - Tehran - Protest against Ahmadinejad & khamenei): Basij brutality in Tehran[^] Riot Police beation up girls[^] Beating people in street[^] update: Group of protesters hiding from official forces attack[^] www.neverforget.us[^]
modified on Wednesday, November 4, 2009 10:31 PM
fight for freedom until victory. V :thumbsup:
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Commit your entire soul into fighting for what is right. Surrender is not an option.