"GUI" developers [modified]

[pseudonym67]

Whilst in a purist world you might be right and even in a world where only the technically competent were allowed to do jobs that you know require technical competence. You are aware I take that there are people who are called computer programmers these days that have never written anything that runs outside of a browser. And even worse than that, that joe public thinks these are the "real" developers because when they ask what they are working on they get told things they can actually understand.

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[CodyDaemon]

But your forgetting that the way people are 'meant' to code now is to forget about how the layers below work just use it. And if it goes too slow, buy a faster computer with more memory. Please note: I don't agree with that, I much prefer knowing what the tech I am using is and how it works so I can write neat and tidy fast code that does the job as best it can.

[Michael Schubert]

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

but it sounds to me like either the VS folders need to be added to the system path

That would be the solution. My point is that he didn't know how to interpret the error message from the command processor. Maybe this is so weird to me because I use the console and batch files frequently and I know most error messages by heart. Many of these kids may not even know that Windows also has a command line interface...

[Michael Schubert]

pseudonym67 wrote:

You are aware I take that there are people who are called computer programmers these days that have never written anything that runs outside of a browser.

Ahh, these must be the "Web Developers". :rolleyes:

[realJSOP]

I did a phone interview for a job yesterday, and I got the impression that the guy has never had to do an serious work at the DOS prompt. The further away from the 80's you get, the less likely you'll find programmers that are even aware that they can use the command prompt for things.

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[realJSOP]

Yep - Microsoft is pushing the "ease" of programming, not the reasons programming exist.

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[SachinBhave]

He seems to be in the same league as one of my colleagues who type-casted String to Treenode (under JAVA), and upon receiving an exception complained that there seems to be "some" problem here :-D

[NormDroid]

Michael Schubert wrote:

but a developer should know what's happening beneath (or beyond) that, don't you think

I certainly hope so :omg:

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[Lost User]

Michael Schubert wrote:

Ahh, these must be the "Web Developers".

Formerly known as "Access developers" :)

I are Troll :suss:

[peterchen]

A developer should be able to cobble together a one-click build process. That almost requires some basic command line skills.

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[Rajesh R Subramanian]

TheIndian wrote:

He seems to be in the same league as one of my colleagues who type-casted String to Treenode (under JAVA), and upon receiving an exception complained that there seems to be "some" problem here

Did you explain that colleague that the problem seems to exist between the chair and the keyboard? (Java *itself* is a problem, but that's another aspect of the argument).

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[SachinBhave]

Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:

Did you explain

I dont dare explain him anything :-D

[Dan Neely]

agreed. Excepting penguins I doubt there's more than a handful of people under the age of 20 with non-trivial levels of commandline skills. Win95 removed any need for it from the average PC user.

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[Jim Crafton]

Yes.

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[Jim Crafton]

pseudonym67 wrote:

there are people who are called computer programmers these days that have never written anything that runs outside of a browser.

You forgot the quotes around "programmers". :)

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[Jim Crafton]

Ah yes typecasting. I once worked with someone who put this in our java codebase:

String s = new Object;

Checked it in, broke the build, and then claimed complete lack of knowledge as to why things might not be compiling anymore. Sigh.

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[Robert Surtees]

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[PIEBALDconsult]

Hear hear! I've said it before and I'll say it again -- but I don't have to this time because you said it. There are certain tasks where a GUI excels and others where a command line excels -- use the right tool for the right job. On my last job I received a certain amount of ridicule because I spent so much time at the DOS prompt. I told people I was looking at the raw matrix.

[Marc Clifton]

Michael Schubert wrote:

I know that for most users the OS is just a thin layer of shiny buttons and fancy colors but a developer should know what's happening beneath (or beyond) that, don't you think?

Personally, I think anyone who calls themselves a developer should have at least one decent sized app written in assembly language--by that, I mean, pick an emulator of your choice that targets a GameBoy, C64, Apple, or some other similar ancient machine, and write something, so you learn about hardware, registers, stacks, memory management, etc. But then again, that's just me and my weird way of looking at things. [edit]I think my point is made by the forum post below "why .net devs did that" :doh: [/edit] Marc

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[David Crow]

Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

I think when someone is learning programing he should try to use low tech tools such as notepad...

Back when I was using VC++ 1.x, it had no resource editor, thus I made my first few GUI programs using Notepad to create/modify the resource file. I was later introduced to Borland's Resource Editor.

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