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  • S Stan Shannon

    I find it incredible that people in the D.C. area see their own countrymen as more of a threat than they do Islamic fundamentalists. Their first knee jerk reaction is to look for lunatic red necks. I find it highly improbable that some lone gunman is driving around a crowded metropolitan area in a big white truck, parking for a significant period of time in some open place, shooting people and driving away without being noticed, and he has done it ten (?) times now. Very unlikely. This "sniper" is obviously a group of people working as a team. A target spotter, a driver, a gunman and a look out. The vehicle probably does not even stop, the target is hit as they drive by. The attacks are being made in and around our national capital, most targets have been at gas stations against people from all walks of life. That fits no profile any home grown terrorist is likely to pursue. Also, these attacks coincide with an increase in terrorist activity elsewhere around the world. My money is on Islamic terrorists. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.

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    Reverend Stan wrote: My money is on Islamic terrorists. Yeah, because before this, there is no history of Americans with a screw loose having too easy access to guns and knowing that they'll get onto a talk show if they shoot some people and plead insanity. Reverend Stan wrote: I find it highly improbable that some lone gunman is driving around a crowded metropolitan area in a big white truck, parking for a significant period of time in some open place, shooting people and driving away without being noticed, and he has done it ten (?) times now. Very unlikely. Yeah, but if he had a towel on his head, he would be able to do so freely, right ? The current events are another tragic example of the 'freedom' achieved by arming the general populace. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002

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      Marc Clifton wrote: In my book, there is no difference. Which book is that? Alice in Wonderland? I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.

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      Ha ha ha. My political views are definitely way off in left field (or is it left galaxy?). I'm pretty much po'd on how Bush is handling the Iraqi "problem", not handling the economic problems at home, and everyone seems to be talking but not doing anything about rising health care costs. (My girlfriend's company just cancelled their policy with one company and is offering a policy with another company that is literally 4 times more expensive to her in terms of deductibles and co-pays, and is only slightly cheaper in monthly premiums.) Anyways, I'm getting off the subject. I personally can't wait until Bush is out of office. No, I don't want to see any harm come to him, but I think he's mismanaged everything he's touched--including 9/11. For example, we still have no conclusive evidence that bin Laden is dead. This country has poverty, disease, poor education, a struggling economy, pathetic health care, and is falling behind in innovation when it comes to alternative fuels (too name a few gripes). Before we go bomb some foreign country and put our soldiers at risk, why can't we do something about the problems at home? Marc

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        Reverend Stan wrote: My money is on Islamic terrorists. Yeah, because before this, there is no history of Americans with a screw loose having too easy access to guns and knowing that they'll get onto a talk show if they shoot some people and plead insanity. Reverend Stan wrote: I find it highly improbable that some lone gunman is driving around a crowded metropolitan area in a big white truck, parking for a significant period of time in some open place, shooting people and driving away without being noticed, and he has done it ten (?) times now. Very unlikely. Yeah, but if he had a towel on his head, he would be able to do so freely, right ? The current events are another tragic example of the 'freedom' achieved by arming the general populace. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002

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        Christian Graus wrote: Yeah, because before this, there is no history of Americans with a screw loose having too easy access to guns and knowing that they'll get onto a talk show if they shoot some people and plead insanity. :-) Christian Graus wrote: Yeah, but if he had a towel on his head, he would be able to do so freely, right ? It is the state of frenzy that the administration has created, that makes people want to believe that all the things that go wrong are because of Muslim fundamentalists. It could be them, but many Americans have already made up their minds. Another aspect to this is that, there was some reports of American citizens converted to Islam, working for Al-Qaida. These people will be very difficult to spot. The police will be out looking for middle-east looking guys. Profiling by race may look like the obvious answer to terrorism. But, that is not going to do any good. What good is the anti-terrorism decrees passed by the administration, if they cannot spot the guys who do these kinds of things?

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          Christian Graus wrote: Yeah, because before this, there is no history of Americans with a screw loose having too easy access to guns and knowing that they'll get onto a talk show if they shoot some people and plead insanity. :-) Christian Graus wrote: Yeah, but if he had a towel on his head, he would be able to do so freely, right ? It is the state of frenzy that the administration has created, that makes people want to believe that all the things that go wrong are because of Muslim fundamentalists. It could be them, but many Americans have already made up their minds. Another aspect to this is that, there was some reports of American citizens converted to Islam, working for Al-Qaida. These people will be very difficult to spot. The police will be out looking for middle-east looking guys. Profiling by race may look like the obvious answer to terrorism. But, that is not going to do any good. What good is the anti-terrorism decrees passed by the administration, if they cannot spot the guys who do these kinds of things?

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          Thomas George wrote: Profiling by race may look like the obvious answer to terrorism. But, that is not going to do any good. It's going to do exactly what these people want - create divisions that lead to a religious war. Go back 50 years, substitute 'communist' for 'Muslim fundamentalist', shake and see what you get. American society has not changed that much. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002

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            Thomas George wrote: Profiling by race may look like the obvious answer to terrorism. But, that is not going to do any good. It's going to do exactly what these people want - create divisions that lead to a religious war. Go back 50 years, substitute 'communist' for 'Muslim fundamentalist', shake and see what you get. American society has not changed that much. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002

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            Christian Graus wrote: Go back 50 years, substitute 'communist' for 'Muslim fundamentalist', shake and see what you get. American society has not changed that much. We were right then, and we are right now. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.

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              Ha ha ha. My political views are definitely way off in left field (or is it left galaxy?). I'm pretty much po'd on how Bush is handling the Iraqi "problem", not handling the economic problems at home, and everyone seems to be talking but not doing anything about rising health care costs. (My girlfriend's company just cancelled their policy with one company and is offering a policy with another company that is literally 4 times more expensive to her in terms of deductibles and co-pays, and is only slightly cheaper in monthly premiums.) Anyways, I'm getting off the subject. I personally can't wait until Bush is out of office. No, I don't want to see any harm come to him, but I think he's mismanaged everything he's touched--including 9/11. For example, we still have no conclusive evidence that bin Laden is dead. This country has poverty, disease, poor education, a struggling economy, pathetic health care, and is falling behind in innovation when it comes to alternative fuels (too name a few gripes). Before we go bomb some foreign country and put our soldiers at risk, why can't we do something about the problems at home? Marc

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              I'm from the Galaxy on the other side. :) Marc Clifton wrote: This country has poverty, disease, poor education, a struggling economy, pathetic health care, and is falling behind in innovation when it comes to alternative fuels (too name a few gripes). Before we go bomb some foreign country and put our soldiers at risk, why can't we do something about the problems at home? I'm not happy with Bush either, although I'm certain I'll vote for him again. (What choice do I have? A Democrat? Gag) However, defending the country against foreign threat is the President's primary constitutional responsibility. The economy is supposed to be the responsibility of the congress. The notion that Bush or any president can fix the economy, save your health, give you an education is all failed Marxist jingoism. All government can really do is to keep the economy healthy by keeping taxes low and maintaining a stable civil order. The rest is up to us. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.

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                Reverend Stan wrote: My money is on Islamic terrorists. Yeah, because before this, there is no history of Americans with a screw loose having too easy access to guns and knowing that they'll get onto a talk show if they shoot some people and plead insanity. Reverend Stan wrote: I find it highly improbable that some lone gunman is driving around a crowded metropolitan area in a big white truck, parking for a significant period of time in some open place, shooting people and driving away without being noticed, and he has done it ten (?) times now. Very unlikely. Yeah, but if he had a towel on his head, he would be able to do so freely, right ? The current events are another tragic example of the 'freedom' achieved by arming the general populace. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002

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                Christian Graus wrote: The current events are another tragic example of the 'freedom' achieved by arming the general populace. It occurs to me, however, that if these are home grown terrorists, it does provide evidence of how effective a few well armed and dedicated citizens can be to defend their principles with small arms. Were those guys who wrote the 2nd amendment smart or what? I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.

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                  Christian Graus wrote: Go back 50 years, substitute 'communist' for 'Muslim fundamentalist', shake and see what you get. American society has not changed that much. We were right then, and we are right now. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.

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                  Do a google search for Dalton Trumbo. There's a man to admire - even though there was an easy road, even though he had nothing to hide, he upheld the principles of freedom even as his country danced on their grave. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002

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                    I find it incredible that people in the D.C. area see their own countrymen as more of a threat than they do Islamic fundamentalists. Their first knee jerk reaction is to look for lunatic red necks. I find it highly improbable that some lone gunman is driving around a crowded metropolitan area in a big white truck, parking for a significant period of time in some open place, shooting people and driving away without being noticed, and he has done it ten (?) times now. Very unlikely. This "sniper" is obviously a group of people working as a team. A target spotter, a driver, a gunman and a look out. The vehicle probably does not even stop, the target is hit as they drive by. The attacks are being made in and around our national capital, most targets have been at gas stations against people from all walks of life. That fits no profile any home grown terrorist is likely to pursue. Also, these attacks coincide with an increase in terrorist activity elsewhere around the world. My money is on Islamic terrorists. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.

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                    Reverend Stan wrote: This "sniper" is obviously a group of people working as a team. I wouldn't bet my money on this: it's easier to rent a car and use a different fake hair each time. My latest articles: Desktop Bob - Instant CP notifications XOR tricks for RAID data protection

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                      Reverend Stan wrote: This "sniper" is obviously a group of people working as a team. I wouldn't bet my money on this: it's easier to rent a car and use a different fake hair each time. My latest articles: Desktop Bob - Instant CP notifications XOR tricks for RAID data protection

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                      Daniel Turini wrote: I wouldn't bet my money on this: it's easier to rent a car and use a different fake hair each time. Anything is possible, I suppose. It may turn out to be something that simple. Still, we are talking about the D.C. metroplex, not Podunk county, Nevada. Someone setting in their Toyota with a rifle stuck out the window ought to get someone's attention. Or someone running into a wood line with a rifle might get away with it once or twice, but ten times? One damned lucky lunatic lone red neck gunman if you ask me. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.

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                        Daniel Turini wrote: I wouldn't bet my money on this: it's easier to rent a car and use a different fake hair each time. Anything is possible, I suppose. It may turn out to be something that simple. Still, we are talking about the D.C. metroplex, not Podunk county, Nevada. Someone setting in their Toyota with a rifle stuck out the window ought to get someone's attention. Or someone running into a wood line with a rifle might get away with it once or twice, but ten times? One damned lucky lunatic lone red neck gunman if you ask me. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.

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                        We are talking about DC here. The same place where an intern was dead IN A PARK for a year. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture

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                          We are talking about DC here. The same place where an intern was dead IN A PARK for a year. Tim Smith "Programmers are always surrounded by complexity; we can not avoid it... If our basic tool, the language in which we design and code our programs, is also complicated, the language itself becomes part of the problem rather that part of the solution." Hoare - 1980 ACM Turing Award Lecture

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                          Yes, but it was a large, well wooded park. This guy is picking people off at street corners in broad daylight. I've never spent much time in D.C., but I suspect there is plenty of traffic around. I'll be happy to be proven wrong, I hope it is just some home grown loony-tune - but it seems pretty well organized to me. I don't have that much confidence in the intellectual capacity of our lunatics. In our culture most intelligent lunatics become programmers. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.

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                            White "van" highway chase, doesn't it remind you of the OJ "chase" a few years back ! wasn't he driving a white SUV?:eek: Max.

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                            $10 says it's OJ -c


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                              Do a google search for Dalton Trumbo. There's a man to admire - even though there was an easy road, even though he had nothing to hide, he upheld the principles of freedom even as his country danced on their grave. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002

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                              Johnny Got His Gun, is one my favorite books. Haunted me for months after I read it. Still, the great evil of the 1950's was Communism, not McCarthyism (sp?) McCarthy may have been a bad choice to prosecute the issue, but at a time when communism threatened the world, finding out the the extent to which Hollywood may have been pushing its basic philosophy was a prudent act. I'm sure no one would have been concerned if it had been Nazi's we were "persecuting". Communists, Nazis - they are all the same to me. Communism represents a much more profound danger to my freedoms than McCarthism ever did. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.

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                                I find it incredible that people in the D.C. area see their own countrymen as more of a threat than they do Islamic fundamentalists. Their first knee jerk reaction is to look for lunatic red necks. I find it highly improbable that some lone gunman is driving around a crowded metropolitan area in a big white truck, parking for a significant period of time in some open place, shooting people and driving away without being noticed, and he has done it ten (?) times now. Very unlikely. This "sniper" is obviously a group of people working as a team. A target spotter, a driver, a gunman and a look out. The vehicle probably does not even stop, the target is hit as they drive by. The attacks are being made in and around our national capital, most targets have been at gas stations against people from all walks of life. That fits no profile any home grown terrorist is likely to pursue. Also, these attacks coincide with an increase in terrorist activity elsewhere around the world. My money is on Islamic terrorists. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.

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                                He is doing this for the thrill and for what ever other reason. He is probably a psychopath and this is the only way that he can feel any feelings. This guy seems very similar to the Zodiac killer of the late 1960's (he was never caught BTW).


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                                  He is doing this for the thrill and for what ever other reason. He is probably a psychopath and this is the only way that he can feel any feelings. This guy seems very similar to the Zodiac killer of the late 1960's (he was never caught BTW).


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                                  Stan Shannon
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                                  Paul Watt (kilowatt) wrote: He is doing this for the thrill and for what ever other reason. He is probably a psychopath and this is the only way that he can feel any feelings. This guy seems very similar to the Zodiac killer of the late 1960's (he was never caught BTW). I don't discount that possibility. Those kind of people are cetainly out there. Still, the symbolism bothers me - American military ammunition (Firing our own bullets back at us. True snipers use easily available, heavier caliber, longer range, more deadly ammo ), gas stations (Symbolic of our dependence on the Islamic world, and of the fuel of our civilization), national capital (they can penetrate to the heart of our culture at will), all synchronized with increased terrorism overseas. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.

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                                    Johnny Got His Gun, is one my favorite books. Haunted me for months after I read it. Still, the great evil of the 1950's was Communism, not McCarthyism (sp?) McCarthy may have been a bad choice to prosecute the issue, but at a time when communism threatened the world, finding out the the extent to which Hollywood may have been pushing its basic philosophy was a prudent act. I'm sure no one would have been concerned if it had been Nazi's we were "persecuting". Communists, Nazis - they are all the same to me. Communism represents a much more profound danger to my freedoms than McCarthism ever did. I'm not a real reverend, I just play one on CP.

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                                    Reverend Stan wrote: Johnny Got His Gun, is one my favorite books. I got to know it because it is the basis for Metallica's 'One'. Reverend Stan wrote: Still, the great evil of the 1950's was Communism, not McCarthyism (sp?) No, you're wrong. Stalin was dead in the early 50's as I recall, after Stalin the system took a long time to atrophy, but was never the evil it was prior, and then it was an evil mainly to it's own citizens. True, no-one died as a result of the McCarthy trials, but they are an example of a country that abandons it's freedoms all too easily in pursuit of an imaginary enemy. Reverend Stan wrote: but at a time when communism threatened the world, finding out the the extent to which Hollywood may have been pushing its basic philosophy was a prudent act. It was idiocy, plain and simple. Dalton Trumbo was no communist, but he was a principled man who saw that the trials violated his rights as a citizen and he went to jail on principle. Charlie Chaplin was another who was falsely accused at this time, in fact he was kicked out of the US. Reverend Stan wrote: I'm sure no one would have been concerned if it had been Nazi's we were "persecuting". Communists, Nazis - they are all the same to me. It's pretty clear that you're the result of an upbringing full of John Wayne movies and short on perspective, and I can hardly blame you for that. Reverend Stan wrote: Communism represents a much more profound danger to my freedoms than McCarthism ever did. McCarthyism shows that it's your own government you have to watch in order to protect your freedoms. And the pop gun in your closet is not able to make the slightest iota of difference if your government decides to tell you that in order to be free, you must submit your freedom to them. They had the 'right' to bear arms in the 50's, also. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002

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                                      Reverend Stan wrote: Johnny Got His Gun, is one my favorite books. I got to know it because it is the basis for Metallica's 'One'. Reverend Stan wrote: Still, the great evil of the 1950's was Communism, not McCarthyism (sp?) No, you're wrong. Stalin was dead in the early 50's as I recall, after Stalin the system took a long time to atrophy, but was never the evil it was prior, and then it was an evil mainly to it's own citizens. True, no-one died as a result of the McCarthy trials, but they are an example of a country that abandons it's freedoms all too easily in pursuit of an imaginary enemy. Reverend Stan wrote: but at a time when communism threatened the world, finding out the the extent to which Hollywood may have been pushing its basic philosophy was a prudent act. It was idiocy, plain and simple. Dalton Trumbo was no communist, but he was a principled man who saw that the trials violated his rights as a citizen and he went to jail on principle. Charlie Chaplin was another who was falsely accused at this time, in fact he was kicked out of the US. Reverend Stan wrote: I'm sure no one would have been concerned if it had been Nazi's we were "persecuting". Communists, Nazis - they are all the same to me. It's pretty clear that you're the result of an upbringing full of John Wayne movies and short on perspective, and I can hardly blame you for that. Reverend Stan wrote: Communism represents a much more profound danger to my freedoms than McCarthism ever did. McCarthyism shows that it's your own government you have to watch in order to protect your freedoms. And the pop gun in your closet is not able to make the slightest iota of difference if your government decides to tell you that in order to be free, you must submit your freedom to them. They had the 'right' to bear arms in the 50's, also. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002

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                                      Christian Graus wrote: Stalin was dead in the early 50's as I recall, after Stalin the system took a long time to atrophy, but was never the evil it was prior, and then it was an evil mainly to it's own citizens. Stalin was evil because of communism not vice versa. It was the source of his power. Communism is an intrinsically evil system. It has no redeeming virtues. Christian Graus wrote: It's pretty clear that you're the result of an upbringing full of John Wayne movies and short on perspective, and I can hardly blame you for that. I belong to a culture which has defended its freedom for longer and more successfully than any other in human history. For far longer than the history of the U.S., in fact. I don't need lectures on the topic from Australians. I have a very clear, almost instinctive, perspective of what constitutes a threat to my way of life and my freedoms. McCarthy did not represent any threat to my freedoms in any way. McCarthyism did nothing to make me more dependent upon the government, therefore it represented no threat to me or mine. Being made dependent upon government is the only such threat I fear. To what ever extent John Wayne may have promulgated that fiercely held principle of all true American's, than God bless the man. (I was actually always more of a Clint Eastwood fan) Christian Graus wrote: McCarthyism shows that it's your own government you have to watch in order to protect your freedoms. And the pop gun in your closet is not able to make the slightest iota of difference if your government decides to tell you that in order to be free, you must submit your freedom to them. They had the 'right' to bear arms in the 50's, also. I am deeply concerned about my government's abuse of its constitutional authority. That's why I religiously vote for conservatives. I don't agree with the bastards on much, but at least they understand the constitution. I own no deadly weapons of any kind, pop gun or otherwise. I see no immediate need for one. I will simply not allow myself to belong to a disarmed public at the behest of the federal government, regardless of how ineffective our "pop guns" might be (which you remain wrong about, BTW). I expect the federal government to respect it's 2nd amendement restraints. What we do locally in terms of gun control is our own damned business, the Feds should stay out of it - and so should the Australians (I lament the NRA's attempts to infl

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                                        Christian Graus wrote: Stalin was dead in the early 50's as I recall, after Stalin the system took a long time to atrophy, but was never the evil it was prior, and then it was an evil mainly to it's own citizens. Stalin was evil because of communism not vice versa. It was the source of his power. Communism is an intrinsically evil system. It has no redeeming virtues. Christian Graus wrote: It's pretty clear that you're the result of an upbringing full of John Wayne movies and short on perspective, and I can hardly blame you for that. I belong to a culture which has defended its freedom for longer and more successfully than any other in human history. For far longer than the history of the U.S., in fact. I don't need lectures on the topic from Australians. I have a very clear, almost instinctive, perspective of what constitutes a threat to my way of life and my freedoms. McCarthy did not represent any threat to my freedoms in any way. McCarthyism did nothing to make me more dependent upon the government, therefore it represented no threat to me or mine. Being made dependent upon government is the only such threat I fear. To what ever extent John Wayne may have promulgated that fiercely held principle of all true American's, than God bless the man. (I was actually always more of a Clint Eastwood fan) Christian Graus wrote: McCarthyism shows that it's your own government you have to watch in order to protect your freedoms. And the pop gun in your closet is not able to make the slightest iota of difference if your government decides to tell you that in order to be free, you must submit your freedom to them. They had the 'right' to bear arms in the 50's, also. I am deeply concerned about my government's abuse of its constitutional authority. That's why I religiously vote for conservatives. I don't agree with the bastards on much, but at least they understand the constitution. I own no deadly weapons of any kind, pop gun or otherwise. I see no immediate need for one. I will simply not allow myself to belong to a disarmed public at the behest of the federal government, regardless of how ineffective our "pop guns" might be (which you remain wrong about, BTW). I expect the federal government to respect it's 2nd amendement restraints. What we do locally in terms of gun control is our own damned business, the Feds should stay out of it - and so should the Australians (I lament the NRA's attempts to infl

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                                        Christian Graus
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                                        Reverend Stan wrote: Stalin was evil because of communism not vice versa. Actually, Stalin's government was not communist. Reverend Stan wrote: Communism is an intrinsically evil system. It has no redeeming virtues. True communism is based on equality for all people, which is hardly evil. Reverend Stan wrote: I belong to a culture which has defended its freedom for longer and more successfully than any other in human history. See, I think you belong to a culture who, like the Russians, know that the best way to enslave a people is to tell them that they are free. Reverend Stan wrote: I don't need lectures on the topic from Australians. *laugh* Reverend Stan wrote: McCarthyism did nothing to make me more dependent upon the government, therefore it represented no threat to me or mine. So the fact that OTHER innocent Americans were oppressed does not register on your 'instictive' radar ? You may not need any lectures from Aussies, but we take better care of our mates than that. Reverend Stan wrote: (which you remain wrong about, BTW). This is the most astounding American fantasy of all. Christian Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002

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                                          I thought that I came up with a plan to catch the sniper that has been the biggest nightmare of the local community (ok, now you all know where I live). Basically, we need to do the following: 1. Divide the region into small blocks (1-5 square miles each?). 2. Make up plans to control all roads on each block and may be neighboring blocks as well. 3. Divide the local police force into small teams, each of them is responsible for controlling a specific block, and it has to be done within a short time (1 minute?). 4. When the sniper hit again, immediately issue orders to all teams to stop and check all traffic on the suspected blocks. 5. All these can be simulated on a computer to see if there is any hole that the sniper can get through. Just when I was about to tell others my great idea, the local news channel reported that "the police said that they have come up with a emergency response plan that will cast the net on the sniper if he strikes again, they are not giving out specific details of the plan at this moment ...". What a bunch of morons! For such plan to work, you should not tell the sniper that you have a plan at all. I think the police should actually issue fake news to fool the sniper into believing that they are on the wrong track ...

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                                          Black Cat wrote: For such plan to work, you should not tell the sniper that you have a plan at all. I think the police should actually issue fake news What makes you so sure this is real news? Sometimes they do issue false information because they know that the media have no moral sense whatsoever and will gladly broadcast anything that will attract attention. Disinformation is anathema to a free society, but the liberal press has made it necessary... Word of the day: Rotundacrat
                                          Extra Credit will be awarded for: Quasimobo...

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