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That's great! Your strong faith should transform your life and how you live.
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston ChurchillExactly. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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phykell wrote: ...an offer of friendship was made. If you choose to reject it there is no need to make that public. Oh, please - read your statement again. Please, please, and please a little bit of logic here will help. phykell wrote: Unfortunately, your flippant comment has effectively hijacked this thread. Are you happy now? Happy? no - I will prefer to do anything that will rescure him from his current mess, Christianity aside. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Paul Selormey wrote: Oh, please - read your statement again. Please, please, and please a little bit of logic here will help. No, as you're obviously far more enlightened than me, you'll have to explain it. Anyway, you knew what to expect when you saw a post by Anna, why did you even look at it? Why did any of you that have such strong objections, look at it? Paul Selormey wrote: Happy? no - I will prefer to do anything that will rescure him from his current mess, Christianity aside. I doubt Anna needs your type of help and I doubt you could ever put your "faith" "aside"? It's clear to me why you posted your opinion: simply because your interpretation of your religion behooves you to. "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
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Paul Watson wrote: Or does scripture advocate openly and actively pursuing "sinners" such as Anna? I am truthfully interested and not wanting to argue about it, just want to know Scripture does not advocate pursuing sinners ala the Salem witch hunts. Christians are to be a light in the darkness. We are to spread the gospel to all that will hear it. We can not force anyone to believe but we cannot tolerate sin either. Anna was kicked out of her previous church and found a new one. She considers herself a Christian. A Christian has a duty to other Christians to show them their error so they may repent, and if they do not repent, we are to not have fellowship with them. In my city, there is a Metro Church, that is, a church for gays and lesbians. Now, despite the passages I quoted, and a few others that condemn their lifestyle, these people claim to be christians. That's like me claiming to be a 47 year old black man. (I'm a 21 year old white guy, btw) A Catholic priest recently said in response to the pedophilia in his institution, that, "the church is for sinners." Well, it is, but not for continuing sinners but repentant ones. ""Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'" (Matt 7:21-23) Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
Jason Gerard wrote: We are to spread the gospel to all that will hear it. And if they do not want to hear it then so be it, right? Good that is great. I just wish it was practised that way more often, then Christianity would have a better name and be more approachable for some (e.g. me.) :) Jason Gerard wrote: In my city, there is a Metro Church, that is, a church for gays and lesbians. I agree again. To me you are either a Christian or not. You cannot be a Christian but say you disagree with what the Bible says on certain matter. To this end I am not a Christian. I think there is a lot of good in what your religion says, but there are bits I dislike and do not agree with. So in no way can I claim I am a Christian (I am not working towards agreeing either so no repenting here.) Sorry Anna (if you are reading) but whether you like it or not you cannot be a Christian and do what you are doing willingly. I support what you are doing, but then you need to realise you cannot say you are a Christian. Why do you even want to be a Christian when it is so opposed to what you are doing? Hell, aren't you very conflicted? Praying one moment and changing the next? You said so yourself: Be yourself. Being a Christian is not being yourself then. Also isn't one of the "rules" of Christianity that God comes first, above everything else? Nothing supersedes him, not even physical/mental reality. And I am also sure Anna does not want to, or should, repent what she is doing.
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Jason Henderson wrote: An offer of friendship is one thing, but telling people you're a woman trapped in a man's body is a little over the top. It doesn't belong here and you can expect everyone to accept it. I don't expect everyone to accept it, but I do expect everyone to respect it. Demonstrate the former and the latter by not contributing to Anna's threads, or can you not resist? "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
I'm sorry, but I can't respect something that I can't accept.
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: You complete and utter tosser. People like you make me sick. Do not worry, Jesus will heal your sickness. Jesus will not accept you as gay, lesbian etc. it is a sickness and he will heal you, any better love? Failing to accept that you are sick is a problem, the world may decorate it but it will not become "less sickness". You are doing yourself and humanity a great harm if you do not help your brother who is sick realize his situation - even if you are sick too you can still help. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Paul Selormey wrote: You are doing yourself and humanity a great harm if you do not help your brother who is sick realize his situation physician, heal thyself
Green's Law of Debate: Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about.
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I'm sorry, but I can't respect something that I can't accept.
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston ChurchillJason Henderson wrote: I'm sorry, but I can't respect something that I can't accept. Like someone else's religious beliefs? And there we have it - the real reason for all the World's problems: the refusal of people to respect what they can't necessarily accept. I have one word for you: "intolerance". "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
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Does my life need turning? Give me a reason and I might be happy. :|
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston ChurchillJason Henderson wrote: Does my life need turning? Give me a reason and I might be happy. I have no idea if your life needs turning. I was just lashing out really, trying to be smart with your statement. I just don't like seeing you defend what Paul said even though I know why you are doing it (faith I assume.) So I was being irrational and angry, I am working on that ;) It is not always easy living with, and accepting, paradoxes of belief.
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No, there is no line between opinion and being nasty. My opinion is that he's a freak of nature. My opinion is that anyone that even halfway sympathizes may as well join his little friend on the chopping block. How can that be taken any way other than "nasty"? And no, I don't come here to "cause trouble", these idiots bring it on themselves. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: No, there is no line between opinion and being nasty. Are you really prepared to argue that? You're kidding right? John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: My opinion is that he's a freak of nature. Unsubstantiated opinion and hyperbole. Such an "opinion" is totally valueless and one worthy only of completely ignoring. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: My opinion is that anyone that even halfway sympathizes may as well join his little friend on the chopping block. How can that be taken any way other than "nasty"? Now you're just being completely unreasonable. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: And no, I don't come here to "cause trouble", these idiots bring it on themselves. I disagree. I truly believe your only reason for posting here, certainly from you behaviour in this thread anyway, *is* to cause trouble. "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
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I just wanted to say a huge thank you to everyone at CP who's been so supportive of me over the last year. I know there were a couple of people who were sceptical about me at the outset (I've even been accused of being that worm B**l S****o a couple of times! :omg: ) but that aside the reaction I've had (both in forum messages and emails) has been heartwarming. :rose: I'm now only two months away from changing role publicly, and to be honest I'm getting very tired of hiding who I am. I feel it's time to let you know me a bit better than you can through just the little bit of me you see in the forums. Before doing so I should say that I'm not completely "out" at work yet (although my immediate colleagues and the company are aware of the situation) so I would ask for discretion. Once the formal announcement is made at work (which I expect to happen sometime in December), I'll close off this account and switch back to my other one (renamed of course!). I'll also update my articles to change the name on them. The whole story of who I am and how I came to be in this position is on my website - www.annasplace.me.uk[^]. If you have a look I hope you find it interesting. I'm glad to call you all my friends. :love: Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschGood luck :) I wonder if you'll ever miss your previous sexual configuration. Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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Jason Gerard wrote: We are to spread the gospel to all that will hear it. And if they do not want to hear it then so be it, right? Good that is great. I just wish it was practised that way more often, then Christianity would have a better name and be more approachable for some (e.g. me.) :) Jason Gerard wrote: In my city, there is a Metro Church, that is, a church for gays and lesbians. I agree again. To me you are either a Christian or not. You cannot be a Christian but say you disagree with what the Bible says on certain matter. To this end I am not a Christian. I think there is a lot of good in what your religion says, but there are bits I dislike and do not agree with. So in no way can I claim I am a Christian (I am not working towards agreeing either so no repenting here.) Sorry Anna (if you are reading) but whether you like it or not you cannot be a Christian and do what you are doing willingly. I support what you are doing, but then you need to realise you cannot say you are a Christian. Why do you even want to be a Christian when it is so opposed to what you are doing? Hell, aren't you very conflicted? Praying one moment and changing the next? You said so yourself: Be yourself. Being a Christian is not being yourself then. Also isn't one of the "rules" of Christianity that God comes first, above everything else? Nothing supersedes him, not even physical/mental reality. And I am also sure Anna does not want to, or should, repent what she is doing.
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: To this end I am not a Christian. I think there is a lot of good in what your religion says, but there are bits I dislike and do not agree with. So in no way can I claim I am a Christian (I am not working towards agreeing either so no repenting here.) What bits? I know you are curious about Christianity and I've read before that your family has tried to convert you. I would like to know why you chose not to. Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
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I just wanted to say a huge thank you to everyone at CP who's been so supportive of me over the last year. I know there were a couple of people who were sceptical about me at the outset (I've even been accused of being that worm B**l S****o a couple of times! :omg: ) but that aside the reaction I've had (both in forum messages and emails) has been heartwarming. :rose: I'm now only two months away from changing role publicly, and to be honest I'm getting very tired of hiding who I am. I feel it's time to let you know me a bit better than you can through just the little bit of me you see in the forums. Before doing so I should say that I'm not completely "out" at work yet (although my immediate colleagues and the company are aware of the situation) so I would ask for discretion. Once the formal announcement is made at work (which I expect to happen sometime in December), I'll close off this account and switch back to my other one (renamed of course!). I'll also update my articles to change the name on them. The whole story of who I am and how I came to be in this position is on my website - www.annasplace.me.uk[^]. If you have a look I hope you find it interesting. I'm glad to call you all my friends. :love: Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschThe best of luck for you. This is a controversial issue , many people don't quite agree with changing sex , but since I have a notion of liberal Christiany and democracy and IMHO if people feel bad about themselfs, I think they SHOULD have the right to do what you will do. This IMHO fair game. If I wanted to change my hair style of my style dressing or whatever I wanted to change , I'ld do it. Now this could be seen by conservative members of any Religion as devil thing to do. I strongly disagree. In that view the only pure human beeing is MAN , because woman was made of Adam's rib according to the Christian Bible. So woman in this regard isn't natural also... I don't agree with the vision of the Black/White dictomy , the GOD right's/wrong that many religions teach ... Religion must evolve , must accomodate new situations like yours. For instance , Catholic Church shoud accept Woman to become priests. It's pretty damn hypocritical that many religious people that I know , and that follow God's commandments , are scum , are far worser than many agnostic people that are much more faithful, loyal, sincere, reliable, genuine, and that are truly carrying GOD main ideas like love and respect for the next, that the religious ones. How many times I assisted on fight for leadership, internnal wars between priests and main catechists ,wars between youth catholic groups ... I gave catechesis during 4 years , on 2 of these years I had a great friend of mine , a science geek , that was worser than myself, always thinking in a different space/time , always on the moon . Now that guy was always critized , others catechists liked to play fun of he, the sames that on the front liked to talk with him ... That was a shock to me , these bastards were worser than my agnostic friends ... my friends when don't like a person, are sincere, these guys were lyers and hypocrites ... Now my friend have a degree on Nutrition ,gives consultations on a Medical Centre , was a active member during the same nº of years on the RED CROSS , many times he didn't slept (days in row) , with the classes and the his unpayed work on the RED CROSS , of course he don't give catechesis anymore, simply because some people don't deserve it. He is much better than the guys that were always making fun of him , and he have a better job to. I liked to see now their faces. As I respect your idea, you should also respect others that don't agree with you. It's a matter of life. Perhaps with the passing of the years, people wouldn't feel so s
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Jason Henderson wrote: I'm sorry, but I can't respect something that I can't accept. Like someone else's religious beliefs? And there we have it - the real reason for all the World's problems: the refusal of people to respect what they can't necessarily accept. I have one word for you: "intolerance". "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
I'm proud to be intollerant. That means that I stand up for what I believe. Are you intollerant of my intollerance? You hypocrite!! ;P I accept other religions. I accept other political ideas. I don't accept that a woman can actually be trapped in a man's body. I don't accept that homosexuality is not a mental disorder. Can you respect what I believe?
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Paul Selormey wrote: Oh, please - read your statement again. Please, please, and please a little bit of logic here will help. No, as you're obviously far more enlightened than me, you'll have to explain it. Anyway, you knew what to expect when you saw a post by Anna, why did you even look at it? Why did any of you that have such strong objections, look at it? Paul Selormey wrote: Happy? no - I will prefer to do anything that will rescure him from his current mess, Christianity aside. I doubt Anna needs your type of help and I doubt you could ever put your "faith" "aside"? It's clear to me why you posted your opinion: simply because your interpretation of your religion behooves you to. "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
phykell wrote: Anyway, you knew what to expect when you saw a post by Anna, why did you even look at it? Why did any of you that have such strong objections, look at it? Brother, your are missing the point. I do not know him till today, he might have posted but I have neither seen nor read it. You know what? behind the so called objections is a broken heart. Why didn't I help all these times? is a question I am still asking myself. I have a responsibility towards him, and if called today - how can I stand straight and bold - I have failed. phykell wrote: I doubt Anna needs your type of help and I doubt you could ever put your "faith" "aside"? I might not use the right phrase, but I have nothing but Jesus - so yes I cannot be Him aside. I mean to say, leaving the discussion of Christianity. ...It's clear to me why you posted your opinion: simply because your interpretation of your religion behooves you to. If not Jesus, I may not mind or care about whatever he does with his life. With Jesus, I take up a responsibility. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Paul Selormey wrote: You are doing yourself and humanity a great harm if you do not help your brother who is sick realize his situation physician, heal thyself
Green's Law of Debate: Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about.
The Physician is Jesus. I am or better still just trying to be a channel He can use. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Paul, sorry but I cannot see what you mean by 'dishonour'. This isn't about prancing about like a drag queen, just someone who wants to get on with their life. How does that dishonour others ? To that point I would mention that Anna has been asked to go out again with girls from work. Surely they are in the best position to judge that ? Also, what do you mean by a "falseful" smile ? Surely the falseful smile would be pretending to be someone you aren't ? Elaine Would you like to meet my teddy bear ?
Trollslayer wrote: sorry but I cannot see what you mean by 'dishonour'. You cannot see it. If he ever sits next to you pretending to be a woman and you care about woman you will appreciate it. Trollslayer wrote: Surely the falseful smile would be pretending to be someone you aren't ? Exactly. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston ChurchillJason Henderson wrote: That's great! Your strong faith should transform your life and how you live. It already has. I can't live the lie that was my past life anymore, and my Faith is stronger than ever. What more could I ask for? Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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phykell wrote: Anyway, you knew what to expect when you saw a post by Anna, why did you even look at it? Why did any of you that have such strong objections, look at it? Brother, your are missing the point. I do not know him till today, he might have posted but I have neither seen nor read it. You know what? behind the so called objections is a broken heart. Why didn't I help all these times? is a question I am still asking myself. I have a responsibility towards him, and if called today - how can I stand straight and bold - I have failed. phykell wrote: I doubt Anna needs your type of help and I doubt you could ever put your "faith" "aside"? I might not use the right phrase, but I have nothing but Jesus - so yes I cannot be Him aside. I mean to say, leaving the discussion of Christianity. ...It's clear to me why you posted your opinion: simply because your interpretation of your religion behooves you to. If not Jesus, I may not mind or care about whatever he does with his life. With Jesus, I take up a responsibility. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Paul Selormey wrote: Brother, your are missing the point. I do not know him till today, he might have posted but I have neither seen nor read it. That's fair enough, but now you know, how about excusing yourself and leaving this thread. All your flippant comment has done is hijack the original intent of the thread. Perhaps you should also avoid entering into any more of Anna's threads if you disagree so vehemently. Paul Selormey wrote: You know what? behind the so called objections is a broken heart. Why didn't I help all these times? is a question I am still asking myself. I have a responsibility towards him, and if called today - how can I stand straight and bold - I have failed. Yes, yes, you want to use your religion as an excuse for your behaviour - don't most people though? However, I contest that your first post was *not* an offer of help, it was rather, your attempt at condemnation, nothing more. Paul Selormey wrote: With Jesus, I take up a responsibility. To ensure everybody else is fully aware of your opinon and viewpoint regardless of the outcome.? "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
