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Well, lots of people have answered you appropriately but I'd like to make a suggestion. If you have nothing positive to say then don't say anything! It's quite simple - your opinion was not asked for, an offer of friendship was made. If you choose to reject it there is no need to make that public. Unfortunately, your flippant comment has effectively hijacked this thread. Are you happy now? Why do some people feel the need to express their feelings no matter who they offend? :mad: "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
phykell wrote: Why do some people feel the need to express their feelings no matter who they offend? Like Anna did? An offer of friendship is one thing, but telling people you're a woman trapped in a man's body is a little over the top. It doesn't belong here and you can expect everyone to accept it.
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Well, lots of people have answered you appropriately but I'd like to make a suggestion. If you have nothing positive to say then don't say anything! It's quite simple - your opinion was not asked for, an offer of friendship was made. If you choose to reject it there is no need to make that public. Unfortunately, your flippant comment has effectively hijacked this thread. Are you happy now? Why do some people feel the need to express their feelings no matter who they offend? :mad: "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
phykell wrote: ...an offer of friendship was made. If you choose to reject it there is no need to make that public. Oh, please - read your statement again. Please, please, and please a little bit of logic here will help. phykell wrote: Unfortunately, your flippant comment has effectively hijacked this thread. Are you happy now? Happy? no - I will prefer to do anything that will rescure him from his current mess, Christianity aside. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Jason Gerard wrote: However, I agree with John Simmons, just b/c someone gave it a name, doesn't mean it's a real condition I agree, we label things to give them status to remove ourselves from responsibility. As soon as we can name something and have a crooked doc. looking for fame back it up, we feel better about our personal problems which we need to solve ourselves and not run away from or use labels to shield us. However Anna is free to feel what she wants and do what she wants with her body IMO. If I do not like it then I will leave her alone but I will tolerate it, no skin off my nose. As for the explanations you gave regarding this "sin", thanks, I thought as much. Not that I agree with it, simply that at least I understand, and respect for that is his belief, why Paul said what he said, though IMO he should have not replied at all and just left it alone. Or does scripture advocate openly and actively pursuing "sinners" such as Anna? I am truthfully interested and not wanting to argue about it, just want to know :)
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaPaul Watson wrote: Or does scripture advocate openly and actively pursuing "sinners" such as Anna? I am truthfully interested and not wanting to argue about it, just want to know Scripture does not advocate pursuing sinners ala the Salem witch hunts. Christians are to be a light in the darkness. We are to spread the gospel to all that will hear it. We can not force anyone to believe but we cannot tolerate sin either. Anna was kicked out of her previous church and found a new one. She considers herself a Christian. A Christian has a duty to other Christians to show them their error so they may repent, and if they do not repent, we are to not have fellowship with them. In my city, there is a Metro Church, that is, a church for gays and lesbians. Now, despite the passages I quoted, and a few others that condemn their lifestyle, these people claim to be christians. That's like me claiming to be a 47 year old black man. (I'm a 21 year old white guy, btw) A Catholic priest recently said in response to the pedophilia in his institution, that, "the church is for sinners." Well, it is, but not for continuing sinners but repentant ones. ""Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'" (Matt 7:21-23) Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
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Oh! please. Simply, love and tolerance are different species. Loving my wife does not mean I will tolerate her sleeping with any man. In the same way, Jesus loving you does not mean he will tolerate you worshiping the devil. In fact, it is His love for you that will cause Him not to accept you worshipping the devil - He knows the result. I will not accept sin in the name of love - if you will, may it be. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
I was merely trying to explain what I thought he meant. Personally, I don't go in for the whole religion thing, but that's not the topic of conversation, and I don't argue religion - it's pointless to do so. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Trollslayer wrote: I wonder how you would expect people to treat you in Anna's situation ? What is his situation? Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
He's about to have his dick and his balls handle to him in a jar. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Oh come on the hell on - give us a decent reply, not some glucose-coated cream-pie, un-sincere sensitivity crap. Be a man while you can still back it up... ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Oh come on the hell on - give us a decent reply, not some glucose-coated cream-pie, un-sincere sensitivity crap. Be a man while you can still back it up... Sorry to disappoint you John, but I'm no guy and won't live up to the kind of macho stereotype you think I should. Bait all you like - it'll never happen. Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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You complete and utter tosser. People like you make me sick.
Jesus Christ is LOVE ... unless you are gay, lesbian, or about to change your gender. In which case you will burn in hell for all eternity.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: You complete and utter tosser. People like you make me sick. Do not worry, Jesus will heal your sickness. Jesus will not accept you as gay, lesbian etc. it is a sickness and he will heal you, any better love? Failing to accept that you are sick is a problem, the world may decorate it but it will not become "less sickness". You are doing yourself and humanity a great harm if you do not help your brother who is sick realize his situation - even if you are sick too you can still help. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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phykell wrote: Why do some people feel the need to express their feelings no matter who they offend? Like Anna did? An offer of friendship is one thing, but telling people you're a woman trapped in a man's body is a little over the top. It doesn't belong here and you can expect everyone to accept it.
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston ChurchillJason Henderson wrote: An offer of friendship is one thing, but telling people you're a woman trapped in a man's body is a little over the top. It doesn't belong here and you can expect everyone to accept it. I don't expect everyone to accept it, but I do expect everyone to respect it. Demonstrate the former and the latter by not contributing to Anna's threads, or can you not resist? "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
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Daniel Turini wrote: Come on, he/she/it must be a VB programmer... Wrong!! 8080/Z-80 assembler, Pascal, C (pulled a compiler apart to see how it worked), C++,....All self taught - no courses aside from UML. Making assumptions can bite you Daniel. ;P Anna :rose: "Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
- Marcia GraeschGo girl! :-D
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I'm intolerant of your opinion unless you care to back it up. The person you're happy to lambast so viciously has obviously researched their condition and is so confident that GD is real, that they are prepared to go ahead and do what must be done. I wonder then, can you be as sure what your opinion is based on is is just as valid? Anyway, as I implied in a reply above, there is a line between offering an honest opinion and just being deliberately nasty. Seems that you're happy to high-jump your way across it. Anyway, if you object so strongly, then stand by your convictions and don't read Anna's posts or are you just here to cause trouble? "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
No, there is no line between opinion and being nasty. My opinion is that he's a freak of nature. My opinion is that anyone that even halfway sympathizes may as well join his little friend on the chopping block. How can that be taken any way other than "nasty"? And no, I don't come here to "cause trouble", these idiots bring it on themselves. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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this->MoveTo(_T("Jerry Springer"));Nitron _________________________________________-- message sent on 100% recycled electrons.:laugh: Not so fast, we still need Anna to sleep with his exwife's boyfriend. Then it's definitely Jerry material. Regards, Alvaro Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein
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That's great! Your strong faith should transform your life and how you live.
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston ChurchillExactly. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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phykell wrote: ...an offer of friendship was made. If you choose to reject it there is no need to make that public. Oh, please - read your statement again. Please, please, and please a little bit of logic here will help. phykell wrote: Unfortunately, your flippant comment has effectively hijacked this thread. Are you happy now? Happy? no - I will prefer to do anything that will rescure him from his current mess, Christianity aside. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Paul Selormey wrote: Oh, please - read your statement again. Please, please, and please a little bit of logic here will help. No, as you're obviously far more enlightened than me, you'll have to explain it. Anyway, you knew what to expect when you saw a post by Anna, why did you even look at it? Why did any of you that have such strong objections, look at it? Paul Selormey wrote: Happy? no - I will prefer to do anything that will rescure him from his current mess, Christianity aside. I doubt Anna needs your type of help and I doubt you could ever put your "faith" "aside"? It's clear to me why you posted your opinion: simply because your interpretation of your religion behooves you to. "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
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Paul Watson wrote: Or does scripture advocate openly and actively pursuing "sinners" such as Anna? I am truthfully interested and not wanting to argue about it, just want to know Scripture does not advocate pursuing sinners ala the Salem witch hunts. Christians are to be a light in the darkness. We are to spread the gospel to all that will hear it. We can not force anyone to believe but we cannot tolerate sin either. Anna was kicked out of her previous church and found a new one. She considers herself a Christian. A Christian has a duty to other Christians to show them their error so they may repent, and if they do not repent, we are to not have fellowship with them. In my city, there is a Metro Church, that is, a church for gays and lesbians. Now, despite the passages I quoted, and a few others that condemn their lifestyle, these people claim to be christians. That's like me claiming to be a 47 year old black man. (I'm a 21 year old white guy, btw) A Catholic priest recently said in response to the pedophilia in his institution, that, "the church is for sinners." Well, it is, but not for continuing sinners but repentant ones. ""Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'" (Matt 7:21-23) Jason Gerard "This almost never matters, except quite often."
Jason Gerard wrote: We are to spread the gospel to all that will hear it. And if they do not want to hear it then so be it, right? Good that is great. I just wish it was practised that way more often, then Christianity would have a better name and be more approachable for some (e.g. me.) :) Jason Gerard wrote: In my city, there is a Metro Church, that is, a church for gays and lesbians. I agree again. To me you are either a Christian or not. You cannot be a Christian but say you disagree with what the Bible says on certain matter. To this end I am not a Christian. I think there is a lot of good in what your religion says, but there are bits I dislike and do not agree with. So in no way can I claim I am a Christian (I am not working towards agreeing either so no repenting here.) Sorry Anna (if you are reading) but whether you like it or not you cannot be a Christian and do what you are doing willingly. I support what you are doing, but then you need to realise you cannot say you are a Christian. Why do you even want to be a Christian when it is so opposed to what you are doing? Hell, aren't you very conflicted? Praying one moment and changing the next? You said so yourself: Be yourself. Being a Christian is not being yourself then. Also isn't one of the "rules" of Christianity that God comes first, above everything else? Nothing supersedes him, not even physical/mental reality. And I am also sure Anna does not want to, or should, repent what she is doing.
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Jason Henderson wrote: An offer of friendship is one thing, but telling people you're a woman trapped in a man's body is a little over the top. It doesn't belong here and you can expect everyone to accept it. I don't expect everyone to accept it, but I do expect everyone to respect it. Demonstrate the former and the latter by not contributing to Anna's threads, or can you not resist? "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
I'm sorry, but I can't respect something that I can't accept.
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Go girl! :-D
Dave Goodman on funny error messages:
It is a definite no-no to run BITMAP as a user command. Your nose will grow, your lawn will die, your hair will fall out, and your first-born will marry an aardvark. Shame on you! -
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: You complete and utter tosser. People like you make me sick. Do not worry, Jesus will heal your sickness. Jesus will not accept you as gay, lesbian etc. it is a sickness and he will heal you, any better love? Failing to accept that you are sick is a problem, the world may decorate it but it will not become "less sickness". You are doing yourself and humanity a great harm if you do not help your brother who is sick realize his situation - even if you are sick too you can still help. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Paul Selormey wrote: You are doing yourself and humanity a great harm if you do not help your brother who is sick realize his situation physician, heal thyself
Green's Law of Debate: Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about.
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I'm sorry, but I can't respect something that I can't accept.
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston ChurchillJason Henderson wrote: I'm sorry, but I can't respect something that I can't accept. Like someone else's religious beliefs? And there we have it - the real reason for all the World's problems: the refusal of people to respect what they can't necessarily accept. I have one word for you: "intolerance". "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
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Does my life need turning? Give me a reason and I might be happy. :|
Jason Henderson
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"If you are going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston ChurchillJason Henderson wrote: Does my life need turning? Give me a reason and I might be happy. I have no idea if your life needs turning. I was just lashing out really, trying to be smart with your statement. I just don't like seeing you defend what Paul said even though I know why you are doing it (faith I assume.) So I was being irrational and angry, I am working on that ;) It is not always easy living with, and accepting, paradoxes of belief.
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No, there is no line between opinion and being nasty. My opinion is that he's a freak of nature. My opinion is that anyone that even halfway sympathizes may as well join his little friend on the chopping block. How can that be taken any way other than "nasty"? And no, I don't come here to "cause trouble", these idiots bring it on themselves. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: No, there is no line between opinion and being nasty. Are you really prepared to argue that? You're kidding right? John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: My opinion is that he's a freak of nature. Unsubstantiated opinion and hyperbole. Such an "opinion" is totally valueless and one worthy only of completely ignoring. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: My opinion is that anyone that even halfway sympathizes may as well join his little friend on the chopping block. How can that be taken any way other than "nasty"? Now you're just being completely unreasonable. John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: And no, I don't come here to "cause trouble", these idiots bring it on themselves. I disagree. I truly believe your only reason for posting here, certainly from you behaviour in this thread anyway, *is* to cause trouble. "The folly of man is that he dreams of what he can never achieve rather than dream of what he can."
