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  • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

    Some developers have never written code before.

    Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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    Electron Shepherd
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    Post some samples of the code you wrote when you were just starting out. I bet it's reeaalllyyy good... Making mistakes and getting things wrong is part of learning.

    Server and Network Monitoring

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      Post some samples of the code you wrote when you were just starting out. I bet it's reeaalllyyy good... Making mistakes and getting things wrong is part of learning.

      Server and Network Monitoring

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      Lost User
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      Ok, here you go :) (small snippet)

      wait:
      push bc
      ld bc,$0010
      -: in (c)
      jp p,{+}
      djnz {-}
      +: pop bc
      ret
      outlps:
      ld b,(hl)
      inc hl
      -: call wait
      outi
      jr nz,{-}
      ret
      _inittab: .db 10, $18, 3, 5, 1, $F2, $80, $40, $20, $10, 8
      init:
      ld c,$10
      ld hl,_inittab
      jp outlps

      Apparently I didn't like comments, but for simple functions like these I'll forgive myself.. I'm not sure whether it works, but it's trying to initialize the LCD of a TI-83+/84+ (written about 6 years ago, when I was 13) note: the "wait" works because you never have to wait longer than 256 cycles of that loop

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      • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

        Some developers have never written code before.

        Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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        leppie
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        Think no more. I and the rest of the world confirms your suspicions :)

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          Ok, here you go :) (small snippet)

          wait:
          push bc
          ld bc,$0010
          -: in (c)
          jp p,{+}
          djnz {-}
          +: pop bc
          ret
          outlps:
          ld b,(hl)
          inc hl
          -: call wait
          outi
          jr nz,{-}
          ret
          _inittab: .db 10, $18, 3, 5, 1, $F2, $80, $40, $20, $10, 8
          init:
          ld c,$10
          ld hl,_inittab
          jp outlps

          Apparently I didn't like comments, but for simple functions like these I'll forgive myself.. I'm not sure whether it works, but it's trying to initialize the LCD of a TI-83+/84+ (written about 6 years ago, when I was 13) note: the "wait" works because you never have to wait longer than 256 cycles of that loop

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          Abhinav S
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          harold aptroot wrote:

          note: the "wait" works because you never have to wait longer than 256 cycles of that loop

          Someone should review your code. :)

          There are only 10 types of people in this world — those who understand binary, and those who don't.

          modified on Tuesday, January 19, 2010 1:55 AM

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          • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

            Some developers have never written code before.

            Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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            thatraja
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            yeah, some people spending most of time in canteen :laugh:

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            • A Abhinav S

              harold aptroot wrote:

              note: the "wait" works because you never have to wait longer than 256 cycles of that loop

              Someone should review your code. :)

              There are only 10 types of people in this world — those who understand binary, and those who don't.

              modified on Tuesday, January 19, 2010 1:55 AM

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              Lost User
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              Or maybe not, the required wait time is 10 microseconds (except when broken), the CPU frequency is fixed at 6 or 15MHz (and it is not in any way pipelined), so you only need to waste 60 cycles at 6MHz or 150 cycles at 15MHz, the loop takes 4+10+12=26 cycles (if I remember the timings correctly which is a big if) so it needs at most 6 cycles (out of the 256 it can do) Btw, the reason for limiting the number of iterations at all is preventing accidental "death by infinite loop" in case the LCD gets turned off (which any program could do at will)

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              • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                Some developers have never written code before.

                Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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                Hired Mind
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                What I don't understand is: how is it that some of these so-called software developers get college degrees? I don't have a degree, and I've worked with some really brilliant people that did. But I've also worked with quite a few people that have nice bright shiny degrees that couldn't write a line of code, or conceptually design a simple sort algorithm, or have no concept of recursion, etc. It's like their entire time in college was spent getting other people to do their homework.

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                  What I don't understand is: how is it that some of these so-called software developers get college degrees? I don't have a degree, and I've worked with some really brilliant people that did. But I've also worked with quite a few people that have nice bright shiny degrees that couldn't write a line of code, or conceptually design a simple sort algorithm, or have no concept of recursion, etc. It's like their entire time in college was spent getting other people to do their homework.

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                  Hired Mind wrote:

                  What I don't understand is: how is it that some of these so-called software developers get college degrees?

                  Hired Mind wrote:

                  It's like their entire time in college was spent getting other people to do their homework.

                  Asked and answered. They also probably picked a course load that was heavy on theory classes that they could BS through and as light on actual coding as possible.

                  3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                  • W wout de zeeuw

                    You referring to WPF? :laugh:

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                    peterchen
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                    That's exempt, not a single developer touched it, only Program Managers.

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                    • D Dan Neely

                      Hired Mind wrote:

                      What I don't understand is: how is it that some of these so-called software developers get college degrees?

                      Hired Mind wrote:

                      It's like their entire time in college was spent getting other people to do their homework.

                      Asked and answered. They also probably picked a course load that was heavy on theory classes that they could BS through and as light on actual coding as possible.

                      3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                      Buzzby 0
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                      Back in the day (mid 80's) there was a wide variation in CS curricula. I spent 3 years in a University CS BS program which would've made me a great mathematician - but unemployable as a software engineer. In that time I'd had only 3 programming related courses (Cobol, Univac Assembly and then UCSD Pascal) - then I transferred to a smaller college that was a strong engineering (including Electrical Engineering) school with a strong liberal arts requirement. At the new school I was immersed, up to my eyeballs with coding projects. Solitary and team, microprocessor assembly, Unix and Vax C. Wrote compilers, real-time systems, word processor, database applications, GUI's. It seemed impossible, but it wasn't. I think you need a school that supports a thriving EE program - I think there's a strong correlation and you can get a lot more hands-on courses there. I recently took an online course through University of Iowa for the HCI program - it was basically a machine vision course and it was a delight since there were ton's of coding assignments and a semester project. So, perhaps that (schooling and vagaries therein) has something to do with it.

                      No matter where you go, there you are.

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                        Back in the day (mid 80's) there was a wide variation in CS curricula. I spent 3 years in a University CS BS program which would've made me a great mathematician - but unemployable as a software engineer. In that time I'd had only 3 programming related courses (Cobol, Univac Assembly and then UCSD Pascal) - then I transferred to a smaller college that was a strong engineering (including Electrical Engineering) school with a strong liberal arts requirement. At the new school I was immersed, up to my eyeballs with coding projects. Solitary and team, microprocessor assembly, Unix and Vax C. Wrote compilers, real-time systems, word processor, database applications, GUI's. It seemed impossible, but it wasn't. I think you need a school that supports a thriving EE program - I think there's a strong correlation and you can get a lot more hands-on courses there. I recently took an online course through University of Iowa for the HCI program - it was basically a machine vision course and it was a delight since there were ton's of coding assignments and a semester project. So, perhaps that (schooling and vagaries therein) has something to do with it.

                        No matter where you go, there you are.

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                        harlam357
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                        Agreed - I spent a lot of time in mathematics courses as well. I'm really not sure where I was supposed to use all that calculus in day-to-day coding. Likewise, early programming courses focused on data structures and algorithms, not application implementation. Although I really do enjoy understanding an avs binary search tree implementation, having coded one, I'm really not sure the price paid to get that (n log n) sort overhead is worth it. List<T>.Sort() works great for me. ;)

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                        • H Hired Mind

                          What I don't understand is: how is it that some of these so-called software developers get college degrees? I don't have a degree, and I've worked with some really brilliant people that did. But I've also worked with quite a few people that have nice bright shiny degrees that couldn't write a line of code, or conceptually design a simple sort algorithm, or have no concept of recursion, etc. It's like their entire time in college was spent getting other people to do their homework.

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                          Mateusz Jakub
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                          From my own experience it is possible, that most people finish school or uni without writing code. I end almost every semester writing things for 3+ people, so you can found one in four or five developers who know something, others pay cash, so I don't have anything against it. I'm getting money :laugh: so I don't care.

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                          • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                            Some developers have never written code before.

                            Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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                            ghle
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                            :omg: Intending to go to page 1 of the lounge, voted 1 instead. My bad.

                            Gary

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